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After Intelligent Life Is Discovered
The Atlantic ^ | October 6, 2015 | Tom Chmielewski

Posted on 10/07/2015 8:37:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Here’s what happens if astronomers make contact with a civilization on another planet.

The false alarm happened in 1997.

The Green Bank Radio Observatory in Green Bank, West Virginia, was picking up some unusual signals—and Seth Shostak, then the head of the Center for Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) Research in Mountain View, Caifornia, was convinced that they had come from intelligent life somewhere in the universe.

“It looked like it might be the real deal,” Shostak recalled. Within a few hours, he had a call from The New York Times.

But within a day, it became clear that the source of excitement was actually a European satellite. To make matters worse, a second telescope in Georgia, which would have told the scientists about the true nature of the signal, wasn’t working....

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Science; UFO's
KEYWORDS: cseti; greenbank; mountainmama; space; westvirginia; xplanets
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To: Beowulf9

>>>Heard someone say the other day there could’ve been several big bangs, and what was there before the big bang?<<<

Dinner and lots and lots of Liquor?


41 posted on 10/07/2015 10:47:30 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Missing Tagline. Reward for return.)
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To: Beowulf9

GOD


42 posted on 10/07/2015 11:15:57 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My guess is we’re looking in the wrong direction. UFOs and crop circles and what not could possibly be from another, or several other dimensions that we haven’t figured out how to travel between. Not an original idea of mine but the one that seems most plausible to me.


43 posted on 10/07/2015 11:48:55 PM PDT by Jim Pelosi
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To: bluejean
Materialists have to believe in countless multiverses in order to make certain that humans are in no way special.

Fundamentalists have to believe that we are the only intelligent beings in a vast universe in order to make certain that their stilted view of the Bible is 100% accurate.

44 posted on 10/08/2015 12:00:53 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Jim Pelosi
Like space, there are three dimensions of time.

The UFO's are lurking in the two hidden dimensions of time.

45 posted on 10/08/2015 12:02:22 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Fungi

Even my college neuroscience 101 text gave the best explanation of how unique this planet is and the fact that little tiny minute changes in just the physics would have made life impossible.

However, I believe the Creator does love to create and there can always be other life forms out there. Humans were created in His image, but the one thing that is totally unique about earth is that Satan is here.

I liked C S Lewis’ sci-fi trilogy and if there are other intelligent made-in-God’s-image beings out there, they will be smart enough to stay away from the fallen and Satan’s prison.


46 posted on 10/08/2015 3:27:17 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Statistically, there pretty much has to be, if you think about it.”

For this to be true, you need to know two things: First, the number of stars/planets (we do, there are a LOT of them). And second the odds that any one might contain life - we have no idea on this one. The fact that it happened once only tells us the odds of it happening again are not zero - nothing else. The odds could be so high as to make other life very unlikely.

That is, of course, if life on earth is the result of random events that are subject to probability analysis.

I wrote a science fiction series of books on this theme. In my books, life was never meant to exist in this universe - it it too hostile, the speed limits are too low, the size too big.

Life was planted on Earth by creatures from another universe and its evolution was directed to create humans.

Humans were meant to appear for a reason - they had something to accomplish here.

That’s fiction, of course, but I am skeptical that there is other life out there. I think we would have heard them - or more likely they would have heard us - by now.


47 posted on 10/08/2015 4:05:13 AM PDT by trenton1776
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But statistics are a confection of man; God doesn't give sugar for statistics. Einstein thought so, and I think he was right. We developed statistics to help grasp non-computational systems.

Now, it may be that you are 100% correct and that God built a whole lotta life out there in the big beyond. When we ship out of this life for the next, all will be revealed.
48 posted on 10/08/2015 7:25:59 AM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Statistically, there pretty much has to be, if you think about it.

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I have thought about it and I disagree.


49 posted on 10/08/2015 7:28:09 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: DesertRhino

Its almost certain there is. Only a religious belief that God specifically didn’t create anything else, and did so on purpose, could explain nothing else being out there, in the size of the universe.
The size of the universe also means we will never encounter it, ever. Mathematically, the odds are far greater that two individual grains of sand on planet earth would find each other.

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Let’s look at the evidence we have. In our life friendly Solar System life is observed to be rare. On the even friendlier to life Earth, the ratio of living mass to non-living mass is 3 parts in 10 billion.

It’s not impossible to have life elsewhere, and lower forms of life are much more likely. But it took a lot get somewhat intelligent life on Earth.


50 posted on 10/08/2015 7:32:56 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Montana_Sam

But statistics are a confection of man; God doesn’t give sugar for statistics.

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I disagree. When we study God’s creation we see that he has a great affection for statistics and probabilities.


51 posted on 10/08/2015 7:36:36 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
When we study God’s creation we see that he has a great affection for statistics and probabilities.

Have to disagree there. God doesn't employ statistics or probabilities to effect His handiwork; He comprehends at the foundational level. But that is beyond human capacity to compute, so we built scraping systems to gather representative data to aid our understanding so that we can have a semblance of knowing what is going on in a system (an educated guess). God doesn't have any need to guess at things; He knows.
52 posted on 10/08/2015 12:13:08 PM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

how soon will liberals try to abort the new life?


53 posted on 10/08/2015 12:17:05 PM PDT by isom35
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

After Intelligent Life Is Discovered?
I for one look forward to our new overlords


54 posted on 10/08/2015 12:37:48 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Why can’t a Christian believe in life in a multiverse?

We know God exists. We know Heaven and Hell exists. We know Heaven is not in the sky, and hell is not below ground.
Why can’t God be an omnipotent being from a dimension that we can’t perceive?
I believe science allows us to better see God’s wonders.
What better than an extra-dimensional Being, and location explains the existence of the Divine?
We will never know in this lifetime, because God requires Faith, but the possible scientific plausibility of the theory has the potential to bring millions to God’s Love.
How does one feel about eternal life on the surface of a star? Kinda sounds like Hell, huh?


55 posted on 10/08/2015 5:26:50 PM PDT by rikkir (You can lead a horde to knowledge but you can't make them think. (TnkU ctdonath2))
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To: rikkir
Personally I believe that there can be other intelligent beings in the universe.

The fundamentalist argument against this is that Jesus died once for all our sins and there's no way that his dying on a cross on Earth could be communicated to sinners on other planets. Therefore there must not be sinners on other planets. Therefore no extraterrestrials.

There are at least three different ways we can have multiverses. The one proposed by Hugh Everett has some negative potential consequences. If every possible outcome of a quantum effect occurs, then it could be the case that sometimes when you choose to do the right thing in one universe you necessarily do the wrong thing in another. If this happens then there is no way to make sure that all of your selves behave properly and there is no hope for at least some of your multiple souls.

And if you are a Calvinist and believe that we have no real input in our salvation then you might have to believe that some of your multiple souls are elect and some are not or that God so arranges it that all souls in all multiverses of the elect are saved.

56 posted on 10/08/2015 5:50:06 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
 
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57 posted on 10/09/2015 11:26:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Beowulf9

evidence supports you on this.


58 posted on 10/09/2015 11:29:59 AM PDT by brivette
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To: Beowulf9

small bang?


59 posted on 10/09/2015 11:32:47 AM PDT by brivette
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

awhhhh, Robert...


60 posted on 10/09/2015 11:42:54 AM PDT by brivette
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