Posted on 09/05/2015 1:24:44 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
On June the 16th the SCOTUS handed down a decision on same sex marriage. The majority opinion agreed that same sex marriages must be recognized by the states. The states would have to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples, and they would have to recognize same sex marriages performed in other states. LINK
None of us agreed with that ruling, but it was a much anticipated ruling. Conservatives knew this was coming for months. The ruling, one that could be a catastrophe for traditional marriage, was a potential nuclear bomb to the Biblical and even historic definition of marriage for most of recorded civilization.
This being the case, traditional marriage supporters had plenty of time to prepare. Special task forces could have been established. Methods of countering a potential SCOTUS bombshell could have been developed. None were.
Today we're very upset that a young woman was arrested for defying a court order and refusing to issue a marriage license to a same sex couple. It was against her religious beliefs, and for someone, we knew it would be. Tonight she remains in jail.
All day long today, Republican candidates have been making statements about this situation. Some of them have pledged support to this woman. Some are upset that others didn't express what they deem to be enough support. Lets be clear about something here.
That ruling came down on June the 16th. Before the August 4 & 6th recess, there were 28 days of business.
If our members of the House or Senate had been concerned over the sanctity of marriage, they could have introduced legislation within hours of the SCOTUS ruling. They didn't.
Yesterday the first court clerk was arrested for refusing to issue same sex marriage certificates. Since that moment some of our Republican candidates have been expressing a massive amount of support for the clerk, and they should have.
Some of these candidates who expressed the most support for the clerk, were quick to take other candidates to task for not showing enough support. This is where it gets rather interesting.
Some of the candidates who have shown the most support, are now taking other candidates to task for not showing enough. Strangely enough, three of those candidates served in the Senate and House. Did they express their strong support of traditional marriage there?
Was any single piece of legislation written and processed to address SCOTUS skulduggery? Were people like this clerk protected? Did Obama have to use his veto pen?
NO! NO he did not.
One whole month came and went and no legislative action was taken at all to rectify this situation.
We have supposed Constitutional scholars. WE have people who have argued before the SCOTUS, and know better than anyone else how this system works. They did nothing!
Now they are on the campaign trail, and it's expedient to rally to the defense of someone who could have been protected. She wasn't.
Today one non-politician has come under the gun for recognizing what the law on the books today is. He said he wished the clerk hadn't been arrested, but the law says she has to issue the licenses to same sex couples.
Folks, he's right!
Note this isn't what some folks have determined it to be.
This politician didn't endorse the SCOTUS actions.
He didn't approve of them.
He didn't say they did the right thing with their ruling.
What this politician said was that he was sorry this woman was arrested, but she has to follow the law. Yes folks, she does. We are a nation of laws.
What can this candidate do for the clerk now? He can voice support. He could come down an protest with others. Neither of those things can put an end to what is going on.
This evening there is a lot of gnashing of teeth. Guys are just so upset that this clerk has been arrested.
Where was that concern on June 17th to August 4th? LINK
Why is it that private citizen is being blamed here? Why didn't our Congress-critters do their job?
Is it any wonder we have a non politician kicking the politician's butts this year?
Cruz, Paul, Santorum... what action did you take to prevent this? Here you are acting as if you really care, but when you had plenty of time to know this was coming, and plenty of time to introduce legislation, you didn't.
Don't you dare try to blame this on Trump. Now nothing can be done. Where were you when something could have been done?
Trump said clearly she shouldn't have been jailed, yet we have people here saying that he wants her in jail... WTF.
I heard one say that he doesn't understand the constitution, when the constitution is clear on the SC role.
All of us HATE the ruling, but Trump is just pointing out the obvious.
I'll tell everyone here one simple truth. If Trump gets harpooned, there is no doubt single digit candidates under him will succumb to Bush's millions in short order...which is what some of the trolls here want.
This place is filthy with paid Bushoids who wont' stand up and be counted.
Ultimately Trump will disappoint in the vein of Jesse Ventura now known as a hate filled atheist and Ahnold who delivered a lot less than his rhetoric suggested as California governor.
But for now Trump’s boots are firmly crushing the gonads of evil (the Republican Establishment) and hopefully someone else (Ted Cruz?) will rise to the top but not the GOPe’s anointed one, Jeb.
Nick, what is your explanation for Cruz going AWOL in the Senate on this issue?
You can sit there and try to redirect it to Trump all night if you like, but Cruz actually serves in a body that can do something about the SCOTUS ruling.
Trump doesn’t.
Glad to see you enjoy seeing Christians being jailed for their views. Why don’t you just fire up those gas chambers for them already.
Thanks AAABest. I hear ya.
This issue is becoming a firestorm and it should. Christians have a long history of being persecuted. Christians watched what happen to the Jews in Europe in the 1930s and 1940s. Christians are watching what is happening to other Christians in the Middle East and Africa. If you think Christians are going to meekly allow themselves to be persecuted here by Marxist and homosexuals you are badly mistaken. And your candidate is very much on the wrong side of this issue.
If Trump continues to side with a rouge court enabling persecution of Christians he is toast.
He can’t keep siding with the Rogue Court. He hasn’t sided with it yet. He is recognizing the law of the land. If you can’t grasp that, this issue is over your head.
He said the woman should not have been arrested.
This reveals he doesn’t agree with the court.
He is not siding with the court.
And by the way, I’ve mentioned this to you about five times this morning, and you still either can’t grasp it, or you’re deteriming to remain a disrupter on the forum.
I don’t think you’ve been following. I have said over and over said Cruz looked like a conservative, but has started to look more like a RINO in the last few months. And a month or two before June 17th I slammed Cruz for saying gay marriage was a “state’s rights” issue and said that was a failed argument.
""I hate to see her being put in jail. I understand what they’re doing. It would be certainly nice if she didn’t do it, but other people in her office do it. But from what I understand, she won’t allow other people in her office to do it"
Notice the "I understand what they're doing." with out condemning it. That means support.
Yup, it’s been great fun watching Trump take on all the uniparty/liberal sacred cows with complete fearlessness and disregard for his own reputation, business interests, and safety.
But now that Christians are getting jailed for their stand against homosexuality, he becomes a dainty little wallflower, unwilling to use his leading-man status and madman tactics to badger the likes of Bunning and the Supreme Court.
My explanation is that Cruz is a Senator and they all abandon conservatism eventually. That's why despite some positive things, I have never endorsed him and am still undecided.
Having said that, at least Cruz has a track record of supporting conservatism. Trump has zero. Also, Cruz never used a platform to promote gay marriage among the public. The reason Congress won't do anything is feelings of the public. And Trump used his money and power to promote gay marriage. So, as much as I criticize Cruz, Trump is way worse.
Okay Nick. Sometimes it’s hard to keep everyone’s preferences in mind. A lot of folks have settled on Cruz and you being against Trump, I figured it was a safe bet.
By the way, I don't trust Cruz completely on immigration, nor any Republican, but I trust him more than Trump. Cruz had an interview with Jorge Ramos, and got him to basically admit the hypocrisy of his position on immigration, but it was drowned out by Trump talk.
yeah, Trump is way worse, but voting to make it next to impossible to deny Iran Nuclear weapons was... well... okay right?
Throw all the mud you want at Trump. It’s not going to work Nick.
Without Trump, we wind up with nothing. We get another warm bucket of horse sweat that I won’t hold my nose and vote for.
Why would Congress need to pass a new law?
Kentucky already did that. And Kim Davis is obeying that law.
You tell me you can’t trust Cruz, and then tell me you can a lot more than Trump.
What wall has Cruz talked about building?
Trump has proposed a 60’ tall wall from the Pacific to the Caribbean.
So, supporting the rule of law is now a bad thing? Homo marriage is the law now, regardless of whether you or me like it or not. The judge in this case did what he pretty much had to do. The people to condemn on this are the SCOTUS and Congress as they are the only groups that can actually change this.
Not even one USSC Justice who decreed that homosexuals be allowed to marry and the states FORCED to abide was elected by we the people. Not a one of them. They do not have that authority. Lawyers can yack all they want but the USSC does not have Legislative powers.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Why wait on politicians? Especially why wait on judges who abuse their Constitutionally Limited authority? It's OUR nation. Just because they meaning in this case the USSC tries to pass a law which BTW the USSC CAN NOT DO in a case like this does not mean we are morally bound to it. Nor should we be bound legally to it.
If people start supporting officials who are rightfully disobeying this abomination upon our nation maybe we might get our nation back as well as GOD's Blessing we once had.
Our leaders must fear our wrath preferably at the ballot box but Jefferson penned another means as well. It will likely take an outright revolt a mass refusal to bring a halt to it. Not a pretty please your honor in the so called court rooms. Not a wait till the next dozen elections either.
Justice and The Constitution as well as The Whole Truth were tossed out of the court rooms decades ago.
I think you are wrong. Christians here have meekly put up with abortion for 40+ years, I suspect they will not do much of anything about this either.
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