Posted on 08/31/2015 4:10:15 AM PDT by don-o
“...Most of the bullets were described as “MEDIUM” or larger caliber. that would be 9 mm, .357, .40 and similar. That would indicate that the bullets were fired by the bikers.”
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If, when this has all ended (likely after the 2016 election and the end of your Obama regime’s control of agencies such as BATF and DOJ) and the truth has come out, will you agree to voluntarily remove yourself as a FReeper should it turn out that LEOs (e.g., BATF, supporting local SWAT, etc.) were the deliverers of most deaths?
“If, when this has all ended (likely after the 2016 election and the end of your Obama regime’s control of agencies such as BATF and DOJ) and the truth has come out, will you agree to voluntarily remove yourself as a FReeper should it turn out that LEOs (e.g., BATF, supporting local SWAT, etc.) were the deliverers of most deaths?”
I will issue a public apology and remove myself if it turns out that this was a mass execution set up by the cops and not gunfight started by the bikers.
Are you going to voluntarily remove yourself as a FReeper should it turn out that it was a shootout started by the bikers?
“Never mind. I had hopes for you, but dashed again. “
Dude. I can only comment on something I know about. If you would provide the information I requested then I can discuss.
“...Are you going to voluntarily remove yourself as a FReeper should it turn out that it was a shootout started by the bikers?”
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If it turns out to be a firefight between bikers and BATF/Supporting Agencies then yes I will. I think what likely happened was a shooting of one biker by another biker (possibly induced by one or more undercover operative) followed by a turkey shoot by BATF/DOJ/supporting local LEOs. I suspect we’ll find out that the great majority of the dead/wounded were non-shooters shot down (and/or VERY possibly shot while they were already down) by BATF agents and their support forces.
I don’t think BATF actually planned for it to turn out the way it did with so many dead and wounded but they wanted to provoke something considerably smaller. The Obama regime’s BATF is clearly not very good at setting things such as this in motion (e.g., Fast & Furious and Waco wouldn’t earn gold stars). They are led by political hacks who are not very good at their assigned missions.
Of course the likelihood of us finding out the true facts is minimal at this time and is likely to stay minimal until 2017 when Cruz (or Trump?) assumes the Presidency.
“If it turns out to be a firefight between bikers and BATF/Supporting Agencies then yes I will. I think what likely happened was a shooting of one biker by another biker (possibly induced by one or more undercover operative) followed by a turkey shoot by BATF/DOJ/supporting local LEOs.”
If you believe that the shooting started between bikers I am not sure why you would say you would leave if that turns out to be the case.
If you believe that the shooting started between bikers I am not sure why you would say you would leave if that turns out to be the case.
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Troll, you really need to work on your comprehension skills. What part of the following sentence do you not understand?
“If it turns out to be a firefight between bikers and BATF/Supporting Agencies then yes I will.”
That statement means what it says and nothing more...certainly not what you try to turn it into. My suspicion is that you have never been in one, but a firefight is two-way and not one-way. At Twin Peaks, the BATF, DOJ and Waco Swat folks were safer than they were when they were infants in their mothers’ arms. THEY were shooting at and slaughtering the bikers IMHO and the bikers were not shooting at law enforcement.
“That statement means what it says and nothing more...certainly not what you try to turn it into.”
I am not trying to turn it into anything. You stated “ I think what likely happened was a shooting of one biker by another biker.”
That would imply that the police had a reasonable duty to engage the bikers. We know from all accounts that multiple guns were drawn by the bikers.
From there:
1. The bikers shoot at the cops, or
2. The bikers do not shoot at the cops.
If you are referring to option 1 as your offer, I don’t see any reason for you to leave given that you believe that the bikers started the shooting.
I am not trying to force anything.
“THEY were shooting at and slaughtering the bikers IMHO and the bikers were not shooting at law enforcement.”
Bikers and relatives have stated that the police acted responsibly at the scene and have stated that police probably saved lives at Waco.
Not all bullets were recovered from the dead but seven of the bullets recovered were ‘medium’ caliber, not the .223’s the cops were using.
Witnesses have stated that bikers shot multiple people.
Police have stated that they have video of the shootings.
There is not ONE whit of indication that this was a police massacre except for the drone of the conspirators.
“Why should I do your research for you?”
A rhetorical question is a question that you ask without expecting an answer. The question might be one that does not have an answer. It might also be one that has an obvious answer but you have asked the question to make a point, to persuade or for literary effect.
“If it turns out to be a firefight between bikers and BATF/Supporting Agencies then yes I will.”
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Troll, the above is what I said...nothing more and nothing less. Twist all you want, you can’t change that reality.
“My suspicion is that you have never been in one, but a firefight is two-way and not one-way.”
“THEY were shooting at and slaughtering the bikers IMHO and the bikers were not shooting at law enforcement.”
I am having a problem reconciling those two statements. In the first you say it is ‘two-way’, that bikers shooting at cops and cops shooting at bikers.
In the second you say the bikers were not shooting at cops.
I think I understand your offer now.
If the bikers shot at the cops you will leave. Not that I desire you to leave, you made the offer and I am not trying to force it on you or tie you down. I won’t even mention it if it come to play.
But if it turns out that it went down like the witnesses said (mass executions by the bikers) but is not shown that the bikers shot at the cops, then the cops were totally justified in coming in and stopping the fight.
Seems that is the bigger issue and you have avoided that entirely ... whether or not the cops acted responsibly.
“Could be you’re just lazy, too. “
Over three months on these Waco threads and that is a first!
Obviously you had no proper response to being suckered by my rhetorical questions.
An odd question from someone who is on the verge of being INvoluntarily removed.
“It must be very difficult to be so isolated from the community that you are clearly so interested in being a participant in. The isolation isn’t necessary. The posting style you employ is not increasing the knowledge or insight, much less opinion, of others. I don’t think there’s any doubt that your intelligence shows, and your discipline (you are an engineer after all). I would like to see perhaps more genuine engagement rather than mere baiting.”
After all the stupid graphics and conspiracy theories and personal insults you have engaged in you want ‘genuine engagement’ from me?
” I’ve been direct and honest in my answers to you, where you have asked them.”
Your response was “Do your own research.”
“So that’s what drives part of my adherence to a culture many find intimidating or set apart from the norm.”
Which biker gang are you affiliated with?
“It must be very difficult to be so isolated from the community that you are clearly so interested in being a participant in. The isolation isn’t necessary.”
You can sort of picture me as the ‘independent’ on the road ‘controlled’ by the gangs. I enjoy that independence. I don’t consider it isolation.
“The posting style you employ is not increasing the knowledge or insight, much less opinion, of others.:
Bringing facts to the table and exposing false information is bringing balance to these threads. I don’t expect to ever gain a favorable opinion from a bunch of dudes that consider smear tactics and posting personal information their primary form of engagement.
“The posting style you employ is not increasing the knowledge or insight, much less opinion, of others. “
And yours?
I don’t know if this was your first but it was early on. Please explain how that is ‘increasing the knowledge or insight’ of others?
“Ten trained men with scoped rifles, presighted from prepared positions, applying aimed deliberate fire into a crowd - that’s all you need.
They sure didn’t need more.
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