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Trump: Willing To Kill The Constitution In Order To Save It? I’m OK With That.
Michelle Obama's Mirror ^ | 8-27-2015 | MOTUS

Posted on 08/27/2015 6:18:48 AM PDT by NOBO2012

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To: Jane Long

I agree Jane. I am just responding to those who think he will, or believe he should.

And if Trump went about violating the constitution to try and enact his policies, I would oppose it as strongly as I oppose Obama.


121 posted on 08/27/2015 11:51:13 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Lazamataz

Sorry Laz...if the enemy uses illegal tactics...it is no less illegal for us to use them. Down that road is the absolute and abject death of the Constitution.

We can get the nation back precisely by strictly enforcing and following the constitution. That’s the path...we simply have to elect people who will...and will not apologize for it, or flinch from it.

Perhaps Trump would do that. I hope he will. I will vote for him as the nominee any day and twice on Sundays over the DNC.

but if he were to begin to violate the constitution I would oppose him as strongly as I do Obama.

I would nt applaud it...I would fight it.


122 posted on 08/27/2015 11:53:45 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: mrsmith

Read this thread. Many are advocating for it.

As I said, I would fight a violation of the Constitution no matter who did it.

I took and oath against ALL enemies of the Constitution and to Bear True Faith and allegiance to it. I intend to do that.

I hope and pray Trump would not do so. I have a concern with his temperament that he would be sorely tempted to.

I know Cruz would not.

Either way...my vote and allegiance is to the Constitution. it is what we have...IMHO inspired by God in Heaven...that makes this Republic what it is. Of course and our moral adherence to it and the God who inspired it..


123 posted on 08/27/2015 11:56:46 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: CatherineofAragon; Servant of the Cross
On another topic, this statement from Trump (which is to his credit) has the ignorant vermin of FR really really scrambling and diving for cover - after years of calling us "free traitors" - as if they're being really cute and clever.

TRUMP AUG 26:

124 posted on 08/27/2015 12:00:16 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: NOBO2012
This seems a little overwrought.

The Donald's most formidable tools are the lectern (teleprompter free) and his phone.

I believe he intends to talk his opponents to death (and that's a good thing.)

125 posted on 08/27/2015 12:03:14 PM PDT by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the eGOP does not want you.)
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To: Jeff Head
No, using illegal tactics is not permissible or necessary. It is illegal and it is a violation of the oath.

What illegal tactics? The tactics aren't necessarily illegal, but tactics that ignore past traditions and things such as Senate rules and things that "push the envelope", but have not necessarily been declared illegal. And someone can pretend their actions are constitutional until someone proves them wrong./

It anything being done was clearly illegal, there would be some legal remedy. Some of it involves little more than pushing Republicans around who are too cowardly to fight back.

126 posted on 08/27/2015 12:08:59 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Jeff Head

I see three which is certainly “too many” but not “many” (I assume 500 or so have seen the headline).

The Constitution is in a sad state with the American people and like you I see Cruz as the man that would do it the most good.


127 posted on 08/27/2015 12:19:09 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Will88
Your intital post indicated that,
"Using the same tactics to undo much of what Obama has done, that he used to do it in the first place, is not only permissible, but totally necessary."

Obama has used illegal tactics. for us to use those same tactics would be illegal.

It is true that most in the GOP have been not only unwilling to use their constitutional authority to combat and halt it, but have been unwilling in large part to even call him on it.

That's why I say the answer is the constitution. The legal authority to stop him is already there. We simply have to elect people who will use it...or throw those bums out and find those who will.

80 Illegalities of the Obama Administration
http://www.jeffhead.com/80-illegalities.htm

128 posted on 08/27/2015 12:21:44 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“mrs smith... the kool aid drinkers extraordianaire are often women - and this mrs smith is a piece of work.”

I can point out that someone has let their emotions opverrule their rational faculties but I can’t “prove” it to them.
Nor can I bring myself to waste time exchanging insults with such.

...Well, I’ll allow myself one LOL!.


129 posted on 08/27/2015 12:22:32 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: mrsmith; CatherineofAragon

you got schooled and embarrassed smitty


130 posted on 08/27/2015 12:40:29 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: Jeff Head

That’s your interpretation........and not what he was inferring.


131 posted on 08/27/2015 12:45:32 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: C. Edmund Wright

ROTFLMAOTIME!
(and I thank you for that, they’re few and far between.)


132 posted on 08/27/2015 12:46:30 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Jeff Head
Obama has used illegal tactics. for us to use those same tactics would be illegal.

If his tactics are allowed to stand, then they have not been deemed illegal or unconstitutional. With politicians and all the immunities and exemptions they allow themselves, they can get away with a lot unless someone takes the initiative to challenge them.

And, yes, definitely use executive orders to reverse anything done by Obama that can be reversed with EOs, and even push the envelope to undo more of his damage.

There are simply areas where a president can act and little can be done about it short of impeachment, and that is almost impossible to accomplish. It's just not all neat and pretty with well defined corrective measures, and what have election victories gotten us so far? A strong president could reverse far more than any Congress we're likely to elect.

133 posted on 08/27/2015 1:02:09 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Jane Long

Great post. This may be a piece trying to turn conservatives from Trump, using words Trump never said.


134 posted on 08/27/2015 1:46:53 PM PDT by Hardens Hollow (Couldn't find Galt's Gulch, so created our own Harden's Hollow to quit paying the fascist beast.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Thank you! Thank you! I am so pleased, and you all are so kind!


135 posted on 08/27/2015 1:47:48 PM PDT by Lopeover (2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States)
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To: gogeo

He knows how to use the bully pulpit, unlike some of the candidates!


136 posted on 08/27/2015 1:52:23 PM PDT by Lopeover (2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States)
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To: NOBO2012

The biggest mistake in this article, is that Don Trump loves the United States and it’s citizenry. Obama does not.

“To everything thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.”

Go Trump!


137 posted on 08/27/2015 2:01:02 PM PDT by Lopeover (2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States)
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To: Jeff Head

Me, too. I want the constitution. He can use the bully pulpit to shame the Congress into action. That is what Reagan did...but Reagan negotiated agreements in Congress. Trump can do this...I think.

The radical Left has to be tossed out of the process. They are committed to keeping all the “gains” they got from Obama and in past years that no long make any sense. Some of Obama’s most horrible stuff was done under EO and can just be ripped up by Trump.

If he wins, I hope he picks Cruz as VP. Cruz knows where the bodies are buried and how and where to move in Government. Trump is much more able to voice his plan in a clear, clever and flamboyant way than is Cruz. He’ll have the press following him around because he’ll be so “outrageous.”

Trump does not care whose ox he gores. He’s a bully if need be to get a deal done on what he wants fixed. Cruz is an Ivy League scholar/lawyer like of personality/public image. The two of them would be good together. The leader and his government lawyer and advisor.

Cruz could keep Trump from getting impeached...overstepping what he can get away with in power. The Uniparty will be after Trump.

Cruz could review legislation put before Trump by others and now he knows how important that personal review is since Mitch lied to him and screwed him. Trump has good lawyers to help and so does Cruz. Cruz knows there no honor among thieves and that is what Congress is under McConnell and Boner. Congress is not as honorable as business where you make a deal and expect yourself and others and the courts to uphold the contract. Congress is like making deals with ex-cons. They will tell you one thing, then put something totally different in legislation. Cruz already knows which EO’s have to go. This is if Trump and not Cruz wins the nomination. I would feel safer with Trump (constitution wise) if Cruz was the VP.


138 posted on 08/27/2015 2:05:49 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Sacajaweau
Look, when someone talks about killing the cvonstitution in order to save it, and then in the article goes on to say.

"would anyone else – Cruz, Rubio, Walker…Bush – be willing to violate the Constitution in order to save the Constitution? I think not. And we sense that America needs someone who will."

It's pretty easy to "interpret>

That's what I was responding to and I sand 110% behind it.

139 posted on 08/27/2015 4:23:56 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; mrs smith

Yeah, I’m not especially proud of the fact that so many of my sex have taken the plunge into Trump adoration...and I DO mean adoration, to the point of posting his baby pictures, researching his entire family, etc.

As for Ann, I think she needs a husband...a place to focus her, uh, zeal.


140 posted on 08/27/2015 4:31:53 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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