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Atheist Jerry Coyne explains why morality is impossible for atheists
Wintery Knight ^ | 8/4/2015 | Wintery Knight

Posted on 08/05/2015 11:23:15 AM PDT by Heartlander

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1 posted on 08/05/2015 11:23:15 AM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander

Y’know, my buddy’s wife is super hot. It would be a shame if something happened to him to give ME a chance! Really.


2 posted on 08/05/2015 11:26:22 AM PDT by alstewartfan (If I should live to be seven I might forget Stephanie. Al Stewart)
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To: Heartlander

Atheists always want you to prove there is a G-d. I tell them to prove there isn’t.


3 posted on 08/05/2015 11:27:41 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: SkyDancer

I ask them why do you hate someone you do not believe exists?


4 posted on 08/05/2015 11:31:20 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Heartlander

What I’ve never understood about atheists is their smug sense of superior intelligence which informs them that upon their bodily death, they turn into existential nothingness after sneering, “Ignorant believers in a sky daddy!” with their last gasp.

What wandering bags of lukewarm chemicals with eyes these atheists be, random products of meaningless conjunctions of mindless atoms. So superior.


5 posted on 08/05/2015 11:33:19 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Heartlander

Funny.

had a discussion with an atheist who wanted to understand why I believe in my faith and God.

After a while I posited something about universal morality and he said he would get back to me.

Pleasant and fun conversation but, I always get the feeling he is trying to excise God from his life for other reasons.


6 posted on 08/05/2015 11:38:52 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Heartlander

Great article, just the debate arguments I needed.


7 posted on 08/05/2015 11:47:07 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: Vendome

That’s the case with quite a few. They do not want to be held accountable for their actions and find the idea ridiculous. (My own opinion is that there is place inside them that is filled with dread at the potential consequences, so they spend their lives loudly repeating a lie. This permits them to continue doing whatever they feel like doing and stay somewhat sane in the process.)


8 posted on 08/05/2015 11:51:08 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Is it still too soon to start shooting? [No social transformation without representation])
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To: DaxtonBrown
This sums it up nicely:
“If you do not assume the law of non-contradiction, you have nothing to argue about. If you do not assume the principles of sound reason, you have nothing to argue with. If you do not assume libertarian free will, you have no one to argue against. If you do not assume morality to be an objective commodity, you have no reason to argue in the first place. If you do not assume mind is primary, there is no “you” to make any argument at all.”
- William J Murray

9 posted on 08/05/2015 11:53:02 AM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse OÂ’Leary)
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To: Heartlander

Some smallish groups of Christians, too, formally deny free will, and embrace the consequence that there is no moral responsibility, no personal “ownership” of any act. Thus there can be no praise or merit in a good act, nor really blame for a bad one, since it was predestined by a deity who has (so they say) the only real will, and sovereignly wills all things as they are.


10 posted on 08/05/2015 11:55:09 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be" said the Cat,"or you wouldn't have come here.")
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To: Heartlander

Good post.


11 posted on 08/05/2015 12:02:29 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: SkyDancer

Since a negative can’t be proved, you’re asking the impossible, then preening when it isn’t done. Fail.


12 posted on 08/05/2015 12:02:54 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Voting is acting white.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

My wife’s nephew is an atheist. He went to college and bought every last thing the radical left taught him. Before college he was a nice kid, easy going kid, fun to be around. Now he is the most hate filled, arrogant and condescending little bas*ard I have ever had to deal with. Claims to be the “friendly atheist” yet spends his days attacking people of faith not because they try to convert him, just because it makes him feel so superior.


13 posted on 08/05/2015 12:24:31 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: SkyDancer

That would be OK, and I say this as a believing Christian, but by the laws of logic, you CANNOT prove a negative.

So it doesn’t work.


14 posted on 08/05/2015 12:24:37 PM PDT by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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To: SkyDancer

I’m not an atheist but an intelligent atheist would laugh at what you wrote, asking someone to prove a negative is not winning the argument, it is giving up! I say there are tiny invisible fairies less than one millimeter tall having wild parties in your front yard. Prove they’re not. There is a reason why the burden of proof in CIVILIZED courts is on the prosecution. If every accused had to prove he DID NOT commit the crime we would all be in jail.

By the way, some of the greatest thinkers of all time have come to the conclusion that one cannot prove or disprove the existence of God by reason. I tend to agree.


15 posted on 08/05/2015 12:29:43 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I heard Harold Camping almost go down that road.


16 posted on 08/05/2015 12:30:32 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Heartlander

So there are no moral choices. How does one explain culture then? Using postmodern deconstructionist logic (I know, a contradiction), culture and civilization is one individual or group controlling/oppressing/exercising its privilege over others. So dictatorships are just part of the natural order. Those that do not conform need to be eliminated.

Yikes, did I actually write that? Anyhow, sound like any major atheistic societies in ancient history? Sound like one certain side of the political spectrum today?


17 posted on 08/05/2015 12:38:47 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: RipSawyer

They want us to prove a positive. What’s wrong with asking them to prove there is no G-d? They state they don’t believe in G-d, so, give me your reasons.


18 posted on 08/05/2015 12:45:04 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: sparklite2

They state there is no G-d. Then they say for me to prove G-d exists. Doesn’t work that way. They have to state why they’re an atheist. They can’t just come out with a statement and I have to accept it.


19 posted on 08/05/2015 12:47:20 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: chesley

They state there is no G-d. Then they say for me to prove G-d exists. Doesn’t work that way. They have to state why they’re an atheist. They can’t just come out with a statement and I have to accept it. Why would that be proving a negative? “I don’t believe there is a G-d because ...” and state your reasons. I don’t believe in global warming. There are people who do believe in global warming. Argument for both sides. No different.


20 posted on 08/05/2015 12:49:12 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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