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Confederate Flag Needs To Be Raised, Not Lowered (contains many fascinating facts -golux)
via e-mail | Thursday, July 9, 2015 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 07/11/2015 9:54:21 AM PDT by golux

The Confederate Flag Needs To Be Raised, Not Lowered

Ladies and gentlemen, I submit that what we see happening in the United States today is an apt illustration of why the Confederate flag was raised in the first place. What we see materializing before our very eyes is tyranny: tyranny over the freedom of expression, tyranny over the freedom of association, tyranny over the freedom of speech, and tyranny over the freedom of conscience.

In 1864, Confederate General Patrick Cleburne warned his fellow Southerners of the historical consequences should the South lose their war for independence. He was truly a prophet. He said if the South lost, “It means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy. That our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by all of the influences of History and Education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.” No truer words were ever spoken.

History revisionists flooded America’s public schools with Northern propaganda about the people who attempted to secede from the United States, characterizing them as racists, extremists, radicals, hatemongers, traitors, etc. You know, the same way that people in our federal government and news media attempt to characterize Christians, patriots, war veterans, constitutionalists, et al. today.

Folks, please understand that the only people in 1861 who believed that states did NOT have the right to secede were Abraham Lincoln and his radical Republicans. To say that southern states did not have the right to secede from the United States is to say that the thirteen colonies did not have the right to secede from Great Britain. One cannot be right and the other wrong. If one is right, both are right. How can we celebrate our Declaration of Independence in 1776 and then turn around and condemn the Declaration of Independence of the Confederacy in 1861? Talk about hypocrisy!

In fact, Southern states were not the only states that talked about secession. After the Southern states seceded, the State of Maryland fully intended to join them. In September of 1861, Lincoln sent federal troops to the State capital and seized the legislature by force in order to prevent them from voting. Federal provost marshals stood guard at the polls and arrested Democrats and anyone else who believed in secession. A special furlough was granted to Maryland troops so they could go home and vote against secession. Judges who tried to inquire into the phony elections were arrested and thrown into military prisons. There is your great “emancipator,” folks.

And before the South seceded, several Northern states had also threatened secession. Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island had threatened secession as far back as James Madison’s administration. In addition, the states of New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Delaware were threatening secession during the first half of the nineteenth century--long before the Southern states even considered such a thing.

People say constantly that Lincoln “saved” the Union. Lincoln didn’t save the Union; he subjugated the Union. There is a huge difference. A union that is not voluntary is not a union. Does a man have a right to force a woman to marry him or to force a woman to stay married to him? In the eyes of God, a union of husband and wife is far superior to a union of states. If God recognizes the right of husbands and wives to separate (and He does), to try and suggest that states do not have the right to lawfully (under Natural and divine right) separate is the most preposterous proposition imaginable.

People say that Lincoln freed the slaves. Lincoln did NOT free a single slave. But what he did do was enslave free men. His so-called Emancipation Proclamation had NO AUTHORITY in the Southern states, as they had separated into another country. Imagine a President today signing a proclamation to free folks in, say, China or Saudi Arabia. He would be laughed out of Washington. Lincoln had no authority over the Confederate States of America, and he knew it.

Do you not find it interesting that Lincoln’s proclamation did NOT free a single slave in the United States, the country in which he DID have authority? That’s right. The Emancipation Proclamation deliberately ignored slavery in the North. Do you not realize that when Lincoln signed his proclamation, there were over 300,000 slaveholders who were fighting in the Union army? Check it out.

One of those Northern slaveholders was General (and later U.S. President) Ulysses S. Grant. In fact, he maintained possession of his slaves even after the War Between the States concluded. Recall that his counterpart, Confederate General Robert E. Lee, freed his slaves BEFORE hostilities between North and South ever broke out. When asked why he refused to free his slaves, Grant said, “Good help is hard to find these days.”

The institution of slavery did not end until the 13th Amendment was ratified on December 6, 1865.

Speaking of the 13th Amendment, did you know that Lincoln authored his own 13th Amendment? It is the only amendment to the Constitution ever proposed by a sitting U.S. President. Here is Lincoln’s proposed amendment: “No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give Congress the power to abolish or interfere within any state with the domestic institutions thereof, including that a person's held to labor or service by laws of said State.”

You read it right. Lincoln proposed an amendment to the U.S. Constitution PRESERVING the institution of slavery. This proposed amendment was written in March of 1861, a month BEFORE the shots were fired at Fort Sumter, South Carolina.

The State of South Carolina was particularly incensed at the tariffs enacted in 1828 and 1832. The Tariff of 1828 was disdainfully called, “The Tariff of Abominations” by the State of South Carolina. Accordingly, the South Carolina legislature declared that the tariffs of 1828 and 1832 were “unauthorized by the Constitution of the United States.”

Think, folks: why would the Southern states secede from the Union over slavery when President Abraham Lincoln had offered an amendment to the Constitution guaranteeing the PRESERVATION of slavery? That makes no sense. If the issue was predominantly slavery, all the South needed to do was to go along with Lincoln, and his proposed 13th Amendment would have permanently preserved slavery among the Southern (and Northern) states. Does that sound like a body of people who were willing to lose hundreds of thousands of men on the battlefield over saving slavery? What nonsense!

The problem was Lincoln wanted the Southern states to pay the Union a 40% tariff on their exports. The South considered this outrageous and refused to pay. By the time hostilities broke out in 1861, the South was paying up to, and perhaps exceeding, 70% of the nation’s taxes. Before the war, the South was very prosperous and productive. And Washington, D.C., kept raising the taxes and tariffs on them. You know, the way Washington, D.C., keeps raising the taxes on prosperous American citizens today.

This is much the same story of the way the colonies refused to pay the demanded tariffs of the British Crown--albeit the tariffs of the Crown were MUCH lower than those demanded by Lincoln. Lincoln’s proposed 13th Amendment was an attempt to entice the South into paying the tariffs by being willing to permanently ensconce the institution of slavery into the Constitution. AND THE SOUTH SAID NO!

In addition, the Congressional Record of the United States forever obliterates the notion that the North fought the War Between the States over slavery. Read it for yourself. This resolution was passed unanimously in the U.S. Congress on July 23, 1861, “The War is waged by the government of the United States not in the spirit of conquest or subjugation, nor for the purpose of overthrowing or interfering with the rights or institutions of the states, but to defend and protect the Union.”

What could be clearer? The U.S. Congress declared that the war against the South was NOT an attempt to overthrow or interfere with the “institutions” of the states, but to keep the Union intact (by force). The “institutions” implied most certainly included the institution of slavery.

Hear it loudly and clearly: Lincoln’s war against the South had NOTHING to do with ending slavery--so said the U.S. Congress by unanimous resolution in 1861.

Abraham Lincoln, himself, said it was NEVER his intention to end the institution of slavery. In a letter to Alexander Stevens who later became the Vice President of the Confederacy, Lincoln wrote this, “Do the people of the South really entertain fears that a Republican administration would directly, or indirectly, interfere with their slaves, or with them, about their slaves? If they do, I wish to assure you, as once a friend, and still, I hope, not an enemy, that there is no cause for such fears. The South would be in no more danger in this respect than it was in the days of Washington.”

Again, what could be clearer? Lincoln, himself, said the Southern states had nothing to fear from him in regard to abolishing slavery.

Hear Lincoln again: “If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it.” He also said, “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so and I have no inclination to do so.”

The idea that the Confederate flag (actually there were five of them) stood for racism, bigotry, hatred, and slavery is just so much hogwash. In fact, if one truly wants to discover who the racist was in 1861, just read the words of Mr. Lincoln.

On August 14, 1862, Abraham Lincoln invited a group of black people to the White House. In his address to them, he told them of his plans to colonize them all back to Africa. Listen to what he told these folks: “Why should the people of your race be colonized and where? Why should they leave this country? This is, perhaps, the first question for proper consideration. You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss; but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think. Your race suffers very greatly, many of them, by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason, at least, why we should be separated. You here are freemen, I suppose? Perhaps you have been long free, or all your lives. Your race is suffering, in my judgment, the greatest wrong inflicted on any people. But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race. The aspiration of men is to enjoy equality with the best when free, but on this broad continent not a single man of your race is made the equal of a single man of our race.”

Did you hear what Lincoln said? He said that black people would NEVER be equal with white people--even if they all obtained their freedom from slavery. If that isn’t a racist statement, I’ve never heard one.

Lincoln’s statement above is not isolated. In Charleston, Illinois, in 1858, Lincoln said in a speech, “I am not, nor have ever been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races. I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on social or political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white.”

Ladies and gentlemen, in his own words, Abraham Lincoln declared himself to be a white supremacist. Why don’t our history books and news media tell the American people the truth about Lincoln and about the War Between the States?

It’s simple: if people would study the meanings and history of the flag, symbols, and statues of the Confederacy and Confederate leaders, they might begin to awaken to the tyrannical policies of Washington, D.C., that precluded Southern independence--policies that have only escalated since the defeat of the Confederacy--and they might have a notion to again resist.

By the time Lincoln penned his Emancipation Proclamation, the war had been going on for two years without resolution. In fact, the North was losing the war. Even though the South was outmanned and out-equipped, the genius of the Southern generals and fighting acumen of the Southern men had put the northern armies on their heels. Many people in the North never saw the legitimacy of Lincoln’s war in the first place, and many of them actively campaigned against it. These people were affectionately called “Copperheads” by people in the South.

I urge you to watch Ron Maxwell’s accurate depiction of those people in the North who favored the Southern cause as depicted in his motion picture, “Copperhead.” For that matter, I consider his movie, “Gods And Generals” to be the greatest “Civil War” movie ever made. It is the most accurate and fairest depiction of Confederate General Thomas Jonathan “Stonewall” Jackson ever produced. In my opinion, actor Stephen Lang should have received an Oscar for his performance as General Jackson. But, can you imagine?

That’s another thing: the war fought from 1861 to 1865 was NOT a “civil war.” Civil war suggests two sides fighting for control of the same capital and country. The South didn’t want to take over Washington, D.C., no more than their forebears wanted to take over London. They wanted to separate from Washington, D.C., just as America’s Founding Fathers wanted to separate from Great Britain. The proper names for that war are either, “The War Between the States” or, “The War of Southern Independence,” or, more fittingly, “The War of Northern Aggression.”

Had the South wanted to take over Washington, D.C., they could have done so with the very first battle of the “Civil War.” When Lincoln ordered federal troops to invade Virginia in the First Battle of Manassas (called the “First Battle of Bull Run” by the North), Confederate troops sent the Yankees running for their lives all the way back to Washington. Had the Confederates pursued them, they could have easily taken the city of Washington, D.C., seized Abraham Lincoln, and perhaps ended the war before it really began. But General Beauregard and the others had no intention of fighting an aggressive war against the North. They merely wanted to defend the South against the aggression of the North.

In order to rally people in the North, Lincoln needed a moral crusade. That’s what his Emancipation Proclamation was all about. This explains why his proclamation was not penned until 1863, after two years of fruitless fighting. He was counting on people in the North to stop resisting his war against the South if they thought it was some kind of “holy” war. Plus, Lincoln was hoping that his proclamation would incite blacks in the South to insurrect against Southern whites. If thousands of blacks would begin to wage war against their white neighbors, the fighting men of the Southern armies would have to leave the battlefields and go home to defend their families. THIS NEVER HAPPENED.

Not only did blacks not riot against the whites of the South, many black men volunteered to fight alongside their white friends and neighbors in the Confederate army. Unlike the blacks in the North, who were conscripted by Lincoln and forced to fight in segregated units, thousands of blacks in the South fought of their own free will in a fully-integrated Southern army. I bet your history book never told you about that.

If one wants to ban a racist flag, one would have to ban the British flag. Ships bearing the Union Jack shipped over 5 million African slaves to countries all over the world, including the British colonies in North America. Other slave ships flew the Dutch flag and the Portuguese flag and the Spanish flag, and, yes, the U.S. flag. But not one single slave ship flew the Confederate flag. NOT ONE!

By the time Lincoln launched his war against the Southern states, slavery was already a dying institution. The entire country, including the South, recognized the moral evil of slavery and wanted it to end. Only a small fraction of Southerners even owned slaves. The slave trade had ended in 1808, per the U.S. Constitution, and the practice of slavery was quickly dying, too. In another few years, with the advent of agricultural machinery, slavery would have ended peacefully--just like it had in England. It didn’t take a national war and the deaths of over a half million men to end slavery in Great Britain. America’s so-called “Civil War” was absolutely unnecessary. The greed of Lincoln’s radical Republicans in the North, combined with the cold, calloused heart of Lincoln himself is responsible for the tragedy of the “Civil War.”

And look at what is happening now: in one instant--after one deranged young man killed nine black people and who ostensibly photo-shopped a picture of himself with a Confederate flag--the entire political and media establishments in the country go on an all-out crusade to remove all semblances of the Confederacy. The speed in which all of this has happened suggests that this was a planned, orchestrated event by the Powers That Be (PTB). And is it a mere coincidence that this took place at the exact same time that the U.S. Supreme Court decided to legalize same-sex marriage? I think not.

The Confederate Battle Flag flies the Saint Andrews cross. Of course, Andrew was the first disciple of Jesus Christ, brother of Simon Peter, and Christian martyr who was crucified on an X-shaped cross at around the age of 90. Andrew is the patron saint of both Russia and Scotland.

In the 1800s, up to 75% of people in the South were either Scotch or Scotch-Irish. The Confederate Battle Flag is predicated on the national flag of Scotland. It is a symbol of the Christian faith and heritage of the Celtic race.

Pastor John Weaver rightly observed, “Even the Confederate States motto, ‘Deovendickia,’ (The Lord is our Vindicator), illustrates the sovereignty and the righteousness of God. The Saint Andrews cross is also known as the Greek letter CHIA (KEE) and has historically been used to represent Jesus Christ. Why do you think people write Merry X-mas, just to give you an illustration? The ‘X’ is the Greek letter CHIA and it has been historically used for Christ. Moreover, its importance was understood by educated and uneducated people alike. When an uneducated man, one that could not write, needed to sign his name please tell me what letter he made? An ‘X,’ why? Because he was saying I am taking an oath under God. I am recognizing the sovereignty of God, the providence of God and I am pledging my faith. May I tell you the Confederate Flag is indeed a Christian flag because it has the cross of Saint Andrew, who was a Christian martyr, and the letter ‘X’ has always been used to represent Christ, and to attack the flag is to deny the sovereignty, the majesty, and the might of the Lord Jesus Christ and his divine role in our history, culture, and life.”

Many of the facts that I reference in this column were included in a message delivered several years ago by Pastor John Weaver. I want to thank John for preaching such a powerful and needed message. Read or watch Pastor Weaver’s sermon “The Truth About The Confederate Battle Flag” here:

The Truth About The Confederate Battle Flag

Combine the current attacks against Biblical and traditional marriage, the attacks against all things Confederate, the attacks against all things Christian, and the attacks against all things constitutional and what we are witnessing is a heightened example of why the Confederate Battle Flag was created to begin with. Virtually every act of federal usurpation of liberty that we are witnessing today, and have been witnessing for much of the twentieth century, is the result of Lincoln’s war against the South. Truly, we are living in Lincoln’s America, not Washington and Jefferson’s America. Washington and Jefferson’s America died at Appomattox Court House in 1865.

Instead of lowering the Confederate flag, we should be raising it.

© Chuck Baldwin


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: civilwar; confederate; dixie; lostcause; race; slavery
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To: Tupelo
Wow. The Southern Poverty Law Center is uber-left and puts everybody on their right wing extremist watch list including Bambi, Minnie Mouse and Betty Boop. Anybody they don't like, like you said, is probably a good candidate for being an okay guy.

Thanks. I'll do some research on this guy and the material he presented when I get some extra time.

101 posted on 07/11/2015 1:46:53 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: DiogenesLamp

When people say the War wasn’t about slavery, they’re half right. The United States didn’t fight to end slavery. they were very clear that the they fought to maintain the Union. The South, on the other hand, fought solely to expand Slavery into the Territories, and maintain Slavery in the states that still had it.

Your comment stating that the Union fought the war to end freedom calls to mind what I call the Chinese Fortune Cookie rule. Just as no Fortune Cookie statement is complete without adding the words “in bed”, no statement (from apologists) on the causes of the Civil War is complete without adding the words “regarding slavery”. It works perfectly on your statement: The Union fought to end freedom REGARDING SLAVERY.

The root cause of the Secession of the Southern States was and has always been, the fact that they wanted to maintain the right to own and other people, and to extend that right to the Territories. You can call it FREEDOM, or State’s Rights, it’s still about the right to own other people against their will.


102 posted on 07/11/2015 1:46:58 PM PDT by Team Cuda
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To: golux

the complete ignoring of the stated causes of secession by the southern governments is nothing more than historical revisionism.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=92


103 posted on 07/11/2015 1:58:24 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: rlmorel

http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=92


104 posted on 07/11/2015 2:01:52 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

selective passages, leaving out the ones with SLAVERY in them, is intellectually dishonest

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/


105 posted on 07/11/2015 2:07:35 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: llabradoodlle

The GOP may or may not be the party of Lincoln, to answer your question best I can. Lincoln was a brilliant, tortured, lying opportunist who found himself in a quandary. He really was a man of two minds and there is no doubt he was a patriot in his own heart. The GOP, similarly, is an opportunistic enterprise, and because it is a commune it is generally devoid of all but viral influence. The differentiating factor for the GOP is the “Constitution,” our rock in these days if we will see it. It has “lived and breathed” so long, though - is it enforceable and valid? Does it matter to men who can no longer read? This is maybe the question of our time.


106 posted on 07/11/2015 2:09:30 PM PDT by golux
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To: Bulwyf

lets hear some of the southern side, I agree:

http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=92


107 posted on 07/11/2015 2:09:42 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: DoodleDawg; DiogenesLamp

remind him that almost 25% of all slave owners in South Carolina were black themselves

it might explain why so many blacks fought or the confederacy

http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm

http://www.kon.org/urc/v4/tikhomirova.html


108 posted on 07/11/2015 2:17:05 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: golux

what if the south won??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exnwTWfFRM8


109 posted on 07/11/2015 2:25:32 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: RaceBannon
remind him that almost 25% of all slave owners in South Carolina were black themselves

OK, let's look at that. According to the 1860 census there were 26,701 slaveholders in South Carolina. Twenty-five percent of that would be 6675. So your claim is that there were about 6700 black slave owners in South Carolina.

The same census records 9,914 free black people in South Carolina. So for your claim to be correct then 67% of all black people in South Carolina owned slaves. Does that sound right to you?

But wait, that 9,914 is total free blacks in the state; men, women, and children from 1 year old to over 100. If we break it down by just adults, there were 4504 free blacks above the age on 19. So for your claim to be true then not only would every single free black adult, male and female, in South Carolina have to own slaves but 2200 free black children would also have to be slaveowners. Again, does that seem right to you?

110 posted on 07/11/2015 2:36:20 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: RaceBannon
what if the south won??

Fun film.

111 posted on 07/11/2015 2:41:09 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: ought-six

The GOP was founded by abolitionists....what did you expect them to do when they got into power?

I’m damn proud to be a republican....I’m glad the Republicans kicked the shit of those democrat plantation owners....and I’m glad the Republicans ended Democrat passed Jom crow laws by force if needed be...

Arent you?

WTF?

These attempts to re-write and whitewash history are the very same things Liberals are doing for christ sake....I’m fine with southern pride..I’m fine with the NV battle flag....I’m glad we still have active members of reenactment groups......I think banning the flag is pure liberal facism.

And I’m outraged that Liberals are attacking war monuments and sacred grave sites....this was settled a long time ago by the men who fought each other and then later became comrades as veterans who held each other in mutual respect for decades to come.

But the notion that the civil war wasnt a direct result of decades of conflict between pro and anti slavery forces, resulting in open warfare at times....is a purely false one.

The artical in the OP was written by a man who thinks the south “should have” won the civil war....

Well...they tried and failed.

This romantic neo confederate vision is driven on the false notion that an alternative history based on that outcome...would leave the present looking anything like it does today.

It’s not up to us to re-judge or re-write the struggle or the outcome...again...the men who fought that struggle made their amends....and it is not for us to undo them.


112 posted on 07/11/2015 2:48:04 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: golux

Ok...I just found out that Chuck Baldwin is also a 9/11 truther.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/baldwin/130510

“9/11 Twin Towers and Pentagon Attacks

There has been so much written on this subject, I will let readers fend for themselves as to personal research on the matter. Without wading too deeply into this discussion (and for the sake of column space), let me ask just one simple question. Pray tell, what took down Building 7? To this good hour, I have not heard one single plausible explanation proffered by any government or media representative that explains why Building 7 collapsed.

Do I know what really happened on 9/11? No. But do I believe that the government is purposefully keeping the American people in the dark as to what really happened on 9/11/01? You bet I do! Do I believe that there is a cover-up of crucial evidence related to 9/11 by both the federal government and the national news media? You bet I do!”

He’s a nutbag.


113 posted on 07/11/2015 2:48:05 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: golux

Thanks for posting.


114 posted on 07/11/2015 3:35:27 PM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: DoodleDawg
you are not entitled to your own facts.

Nice you brought that up. So, why did Lincoln only "free slaves" in the territories where Federal troops did not have control? Why specifically exclude, by name, those places where he could have but did not free slaves? Have you even read the so called "Emancipation Proclamation"?

While you are at it, why is a fact, and how can it be Constitutional to imprison the entire legislature of Maryland without trail, and lock them up (ironically) in Ft McHenry? "Rockets red glare" sure must have meant something different to the Maryland lawmakers.
115 posted on 07/11/2015 3:38:14 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: DiogenesLamp

Sorry, DiogenesLamp, I am not going to engage in a purely emotional discussion with you.

I don’t appreciate your inference that i am dishonest because I don;t see it the same way you do.


116 posted on 07/11/2015 3:48:34 PM PDT by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant.Buy into it,)
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To: DoodleDawg

My feelings as well. It seems impossible to discuss this in a civilized manner with some people.

Sadly.


117 posted on 07/11/2015 3:51:26 PM PDT by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant.Buy into it,)
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To: ought-six

Yep.

Was pointing out something the article brushed over


118 posted on 07/11/2015 3:52:40 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Tzfat
So, why did Lincoln only "free slaves" in the territories where Federal troops did not have control? Why specifically exclude, by name, those places where he could have but did not free slaves? Have you even read the so called "Emancipation Proclamation"?

I have read the Emancipation Proclamation and I've also read another document titled Constitution of the United States. And since the Constitution does not mention slavery then constitutionally Lincoln could not free the slaves in Union states and areas under Union control. Lincoln could free the slaves in the South because the Confiscation Acts, passed by Congress and upheld by the Supreme Court, allowed the government to seize private property without compensation if that property was being used to support the rebellion. So Lincoln could declare Southern slaves free so he issued the Emancipation Proclamation. It took the 13th Amendment to end slavery, which Lincoln got through Congress and on to the states for ratification. I'm surprised that you were unaware of all that.

While you are at it, why is a fact, and how can it be Constitutional to imprison the entire legislature of Maryland without trail, and lock them up (ironically) in Ft McHenry?

I would if it happened, but Chuck Baldwin crap to the contrary Lincoln never arrested the entire Maryland legislature. Authorities arrested some members of the legislature in September 1861 because they were advocating joining the Southern rebellion going on at the time and the authorities, not surprisingly, took a dim view of that. What do you think would have happened if in early 1942 members of the Texas legislature wanted to vote on joining the Axis side of the war?

119 posted on 07/11/2015 3:54:18 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Two words: habeas corpus. Please cite the Constitutional authority for the suspension. So Lincoln was a Constitutionally aware with the Non-Emancipation Proclamation, but without a blink suspends the rule of law, jails the Maryland legislature; and when the Chief Justice of the US said his actions were illegal, the tyrant Lincoln had the gall to try and arrest the Chief Justice.

He was a freaking tyrant, and set the stage for tyrants like Obama. No,facts are too kind to your god, Lincoln.


120 posted on 07/11/2015 4:04:28 PM PDT by Tzfat
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