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As a supporter of the Iraq War, if you knew then what you know now….
Flopping Aces ^ | 05-18-15 | Wordsmith

Posted on 05/18/2015 11:06:25 AM PDT by Starman417

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To: Blood of Tyrants

Exactly.
And Megan Kelly need to be called out more for it.
Stupid and illogical question.


21 posted on 05/18/2015 11:27:24 AM PDT by Lorianne (fed pork, bailouts, gone taxmoney)
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To: arthurus
It was a mistake to invade Iraq only if one compares it with the better alternative of invading Iran

Or, we could have invaded the real enemy, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

22 posted on 05/18/2015 11:27:32 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If you can't discriminate, you are not free)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

If we knew then what we know now, that periodically American cities would be consumed in riots, primarily by blacks, wouldn’t it have been better to send them to the African continent after the civil war?


23 posted on 05/18/2015 11:28:01 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: vbmoneyspender

I knew the three major religious factions were never going to get along and propsed that a three state solution was the best option with a coalition of Western oil companies managing the oil resources for the three states. If any of them got out of line, those, profits could have been withheld.

Another option would have been coalition of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait operate the oil fields and refineries.


24 posted on 05/18/2015 11:28:39 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Starman417

Our essential error has been to not understand the mind of the middle eastern peoples.

First, according the Bible, you will never be able to tame the Arab (Gen. 16:12). So our assumption that if we remove a brutal dictator will result in a free, ordered democratic process was pure foolishness.

Second, islam is islam. Set them free to follow sharia, and they’ll do sharia in the most delightful ways. We somehow thought that they wouldn’t. Either that, or we knew and and we’re enablers.

Third, any tribal or people group feuds or hatreds in the region go way way back. We think we can bomb and kill a few, and they’ll be peaceful. We have no idea how deep the hate is. And now they hate us.

Fourth, we didn’t have a cohesive stable replacement for Saddam and Momar.

If you believe that the God of Israel is sovereign and is going somewhere with this, then this becomes a most interesting series of events.


25 posted on 05/18/2015 11:29:26 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Starman417
I think we should have used the resources to liberate us from people like Paul Krugman.
26 posted on 05/18/2015 11:30:54 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Jim Noble
Or, we could have invaded the real enemy, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

The goal of every Islamo-fascist is to recreate the Caliphate. In that regard, Mecca, Medina and Islamabad are sideshows. The heart of the Middle East is Iraq and the heart of Iraq is Baghdad. So if we wanted to prevent Al Qaeda from achieving its goal, we did the exact right thing by invading Iraq and having troops stationed in and around Baghdad.

Put simply: No Baghdad, no Caliphate.

27 posted on 05/18/2015 11:37:59 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: PGR88

Same reason Vietnam and the Iraq wars did split America. We went from the telegraph and some still photography to Television and Internet. When non-soldiers and families of soldiers are confronted with the horrors and realities of war it is devastating. WWII had federal Committee on Public Information to censure things devastating to morale. The first Iraq war was a bit different as we had a clear defined goal - drive iraq from Kuwait - and most of the fighting took place at range ( lobbing missles at enemy positions). I wonder in 1902 how many Americans knew that we even had troops in the Philippines, what the literacy rate was to be able to read such news, and how was it reported? Anyone got any good suggestions for books that compare war journalism throughout American history?


28 posted on 05/18/2015 11:43:27 AM PDT by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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To: Starman417
WMDs Were Found in Iraq and ISIS has taken control of a chemical weapons complex.
29 posted on 05/18/2015 11:43:53 AM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse OÂ’Leary)
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To: I cannot think of a name
"but sadly it is true"

I agree with you.

This idea that emerged in the 60's that one could invade a country and not kill each and every person that holds a hostile view of you, ascertains defeat. Eventually.

And that takes manpower and the will to kill. On a massive scale.

30 posted on 05/18/2015 11:46:00 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Starman417

I wouldn’t go into Iraq.

Now, I know that modern Arabs are fundamentally incapable of being good human beings.

So, they’re not worth the blood we spill.

Nuke ‘em from orbit when necessary.


31 posted on 05/18/2015 11:48:51 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that - Baltimore's Democrat Mayor)
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To: vbmoneyspender

God dammit. Hussein was firing missiles at our pilots. That should end this whole line of questioning. Firing missiles at our pilots was an ongoing act of war that had to be responded to by going to war against Hussein. End of story.

Hear Hear.. Or Here Here!!!


32 posted on 05/18/2015 11:52:26 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: vbmoneyspender

Except for the swearing,
thank you.

You get it.

The Iraq War is a result of Iraq’s failure to abide by the terms of the cease-fire agreement of the Gulf War.
- Shooting at our planes
- Screwing around with weapons inspectors
- Breaking the no-fly zone agreement


33 posted on 05/18/2015 11:56:11 AM PDT by kidd
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To: vbmoneyspender
God dammit. Hussein was firing missiles at our pilots.

He'd been doing that off and on since the first Gulf war. What made it so important to invade in 2003?

34 posted on 05/18/2015 11:59:26 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Cementjungle
If I knew that Obama would come along and hand Iraq over to terrorists I might have done things differently.

Obama didn't have to had Iraq over to the terrorists. The Iraqis are doing a fine job of that all on their own.

35 posted on 05/18/2015 12:02:08 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Starman417

Does he mean, if I knew Barry would become president and pull out our troops, leaving a power vacuum for ISIS and Iran?


36 posted on 05/18/2015 12:18:45 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: DoodleDawg
You've got the question backwards. The question shouldn't be why did we have to go to war in 2003? The question should be why didn't we go to war much earlier. In fact, why didn't we go to war when Hussein fired the very first missile at our pilots.

The lesson of 9/11 was that weakness in the face of attacks is provocative and will inevitably lead to greater and greater attacks. Bin Laden saw that we weren't responding to Hussein's overt attacks in a meaningful way (e.g. Operation Desert Fox in 1998 was a joke) and recognized that as a failure of will on our part. So Bin Laden took our failure of will as a green light to escalate his attacks against us until the attacks were so large and so damaging that we couldn't ignore them any longer.

Apparently, the lesson of 9/11 is easily forgotten because now a lot of Americans, including many conservatives who should know better, wonder why couldn't have just ignored Hussein thousands of attacks against our pilots.

37 posted on 05/18/2015 12:54:45 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Brad from Tennessee
The invasion of Iraq was, in order of importance, about (1) protecting Saudi Arabia and the Gulf oil states (2) protecting Israel (3)WMD’s.

(4) Iran is between Iraq and Afghanistan. I always suspected we would squeeze them, but we ran out of time before the media won the propaganda war.

38 posted on 05/18/2015 12:55:19 PM PDT by bankwalker (In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: bankwalker

I like the list on your homepage. “...3 gods which are gubbermint, genitalia, and global warming.” I know it wouldn’t poetically fit, but I’d argue they have a fourth: drugs.


39 posted on 05/18/2015 4:32:31 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: lurk

You absolutely get to the ultimate truth of the matter referencing Gen. 16:12

Only He has the solution to all this and it will be on His terms. Currently, in order to hopefully prod/lead us back on track to Him, He is utilizing Ishmael’s descendants as a form of punishment upon our nation until we, as a people, repent.


40 posted on 05/18/2015 4:38:16 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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