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Could a heavy object cause a train derailment?
Duke C.

Posted on 05/16/2015 3:52:39 PM PDT by Duke C.

Basic physics states that F+MV² ( force= mass times velocity squared)
Let's say a thug tosses a bowling ball at Amtrak 188, presently moving at 70 MPH.
That would be 15LBS times 88FPS which would equal 1,742,000 foot pounds of energy.

Don't know if this is right, my physics is rusty. Anybody?


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1 posted on 05/16/2015 3:52:39 PM PDT by Duke C.
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To: Duke C.

Yutes drop cement blocks on trains fairly often. How many trains disintegrate as a result?


3 posted on 05/16/2015 3:55:27 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Duke C.

Shoot a BB gun at a car and see if it crashes.


4 posted on 05/16/2015 3:55:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: Duke C.

Want to derail a train?You would have to attack the tracks.


5 posted on 05/16/2015 3:56:08 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Diogenesis

lol.


6 posted on 05/16/2015 3:56:17 PM PDT by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Francis)
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To: Duke C.

The answer is no. If you fire at a train from the inside of a curve you would have a chance but you would need a very large object with lots of force to move a multi-ton train (think tank). News reports talk about something that broke a window.

The train was going twice the speed it was supposed to be traveling. That’s what caused the accident.


7 posted on 05/16/2015 3:57:17 PM PDT by poinq
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To: Duke C.

First you should review your physics.


8 posted on 05/16/2015 3:58:49 PM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: Duke C.
my physics is rusty

That would be entropy.

Why do you want to square v?

9 posted on 05/16/2015 3:58:49 PM PDT by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Francis)
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To: Duke C.

A derailer attached to the track can do the job easily.


10 posted on 05/16/2015 3:59:23 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Duke C.


11 posted on 05/16/2015 4:01:08 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Duke C.

So what if there were a projectile.

That does not explain why this engineer was going 106 MPH in a 50 MPH
zone.


12 posted on 05/16/2015 4:01:34 PM PDT by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittance.)
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To: Duke C.

That would be one Billy Bad Ass that could throw a 15# bowling ball at 88FPS.


13 posted on 05/16/2015 4:01:34 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Duke C.

A physic was what my Mom gave us when we were constipated.


14 posted on 05/16/2015 4:03:48 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Duke C.
Could a heavy object cause a train derailment? Basic physics states that F+MV² ( force= mass times velocity squared) Let's say a thug tosses a bowling ball at Amtrak 188, presently moving at 70 MPH. That would be 15LBS times 88FPS which would equal 1,742,000 foot pounds of energy. Don't know if this is right, my physics is rusty. Anybody?

Wow, a number of issues here. Force of bowling ball has to be subtracted from the mass and momentum of the train... and whatever's left has to be applied against the coefficient of friction connecting the train to the tracks plus the physical blockage of trying to move the weight of the train across the edge of the entire rail... train shocks are going to absorb a lot and make the carriage sway instead of flip sideways... and the distribution of force from the bowling ball is going to have an effective limit depending on what it hits - a reinforced steal frame member versus a window or sheet metal, the latter just making a hole the size of the ball, the former perhaps exceeding the integrity of the bowling ball itself and shattering it... all in all, holding up a thumb and squinting, I'd say... no.

15 posted on 05/16/2015 4:05:46 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: tennmountainman

Crazy video. Even at low speed, once a train starts crashing, it keeps crashing till its done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZnVDc3_1kM


16 posted on 05/16/2015 4:06:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: tennmountainman

Fox had an expert on that described a possible way it could happen, if it startled the engineer, who might have reflexively jerked, and lost control of the speed.

But, I don’t know enough about train to know if his explanation made sense.


17 posted on 05/16/2015 4:06:42 PM PDT by jacquej ("You cannot have a conservative government with a liberal culture." (Mark Steyn))
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To: Duke C.

Your math is not only rusty it’s wrongly applied. That’s not how you calculate energy.

Never mind any calculation, just know that the the energy transferred to the bowling ball by the train is about 100,000 times greater than the energy transferred to the train by the bowling ball.

In a train vs. bowling ball contest here is the result:

Bowling ball - dust
Train - dent


18 posted on 05/16/2015 4:07:00 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Duke C.

Pretty sure F = ma


19 posted on 05/16/2015 4:08:04 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: jacquej

How long for that train to go from 50mph to 106mph?


20 posted on 05/16/2015 4:09:12 PM PDT by EEGator
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