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NH: As Predicted, Governor Hassan (D) says she will veto constitutional carry
Gun Watch ^ | 1 May, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 04/30/2015 8:48:59 PM PDT by marktwain




As predicted in an article three days ago, before Governor Hassan  had made a definite statement, she says that she will veto the New Hampshire constitutional carry bill.   The bill has passed both the Senate and the House, but not by veto proof margins.  From unionleader.com:

CONCORD — Before the House could take a vote Wednesday, Gov. Maggie Hassan said she would veto a bill that would repeal the requirement for a concealed firearms permit.

The House passed the measure by at 212-150 margin.
Governor Hassan did not explain why the requirement for a permit was necessary, given that the sister state of Vermont has had constitutional carry ever since it was founded, has no permit system, and has murder rates very close to those of New Hampshire, both of which are commonly in the lowest five states in the Union.   Both states have preserved open carry without a license, and the permit system in New Hampshire is not particularly onerous, except that  it allows a bit of "discretion", to rest with the county sheriffs as to whether a permit will be issued or not.  
She said the state’s permitting system gives local law enforcement oversight in order to protect the community, while the person applying can appeal that decision.
It seems clear that the real issue is one of power.  Governor Hassan wants to hang onto a sliver of arbitrary power over whether people may be armed or not.  It does not appear to be exercised much, but it is there, a reminder that it is men who rule, not the rule of law.
 
Her opponents insist that it is the government that must be limited.  That rights should not be arbitrarily restricted, you should not have to pay the government to exercise your rights, fill out forms, and be pre-approved to do that which is constitutionally protected.

Those who insist that the government must set the limits for everyone else are always working to get a wedge in here or there; a requirement for a sheriff or inspector to allow something; fees to bolster the coffers of the government.    The result has been the steady accretion of government power over the last hundred years.

The New Hampshire constitution seems clear:
New Hampshire:  All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state.  Pt. 1, art. 2-a (enacted 1982).
The Vermont provision is a little more verbose:
Vermont:  That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State -- and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.  Ch. I, art. 16 (enacted 1777, ch. I, art. 15).
 It was the Vermont provision that prompted the court decision that has kept Vermont a constitutional carry state for its entire existence.   I do not know if the New Hampshire version has ever been challenged, but then it is only 32 years old.

The Michael Bloomberg organization, Moms Demand Action, was able to provide Governor Hassan  a little cover.
She met with the Democratic caucus before the vote to tell members she would veto the bill, and also told members of the NH Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America of her decision when they delivered hundreds of postcards urging her to veto the bill.
For those who wish to look at the crime rates, here they are:

Link to the disastercenter.com for New Hampshire

Link to the disastercenter.com for Vermont

New Hampshire is unlikely to obtain constitutional carry until they have a change of governor.

 ©2015 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice is included.
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TOPICS: Government; Local News; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitutionalcarry; hassan; newhampshire; nh
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To: marktwain

Again, Hassan’s competitor in the recent election insulted and pissed on the Tea Party. All part of the GOPe’s continuous attempt to suppress the Conservative vote.

It is time for a Conservative Party. The GOPe is closely aligned and subservient to the RAT Party.


21 posted on 05/01/2015 4:14:20 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dreyfus)
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To: familyop

Yes, it’s Arabic.
Husband’s name.


22 posted on 05/01/2015 4:19:55 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it)
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To: marktwain

The word “Constitutional” offends her as it does all Democrats.

New Hampshire is a lost cause- too many Democrats that f%%ked up Boston and Massachusetts in general have moved in. They bring their moronic ideas with them and destroy their new state. It is happening in the West where Oregon used to elect Republicans and Arizona was a safe GOP state before the rodents who destroyed California slithered out and destroyed nearby states.


23 posted on 05/01/2015 5:14:55 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Bob434

She is a totally white commie


24 posted on 05/01/2015 5:31:59 AM PDT by mrsixpack36
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To: marktwain
Full faith and credit clause.

Homosexual advocates have been suing to require states without homo "marriage" to accept those legally "married" elsewhere based in the constitutional provision of full faith and credit, where official acts of one state are to be respected in others. It's the way leftists want to change American society, by finding one extremist hell-hole that will permit anything, and then forcing the rest of the country to adopt it.

It time now for gun-rights advocates to do the same. Take your concealed-carry permit to New York, or California or Washington DC and sue for it to be respected under full faith and credit.

25 posted on 05/01/2015 6:21:00 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: Redleg Duke; All
"Again, Hassan’s competitor in the recent election insulted and pissed on the Tea Party. All part of the GOPe’s continuous attempt to suppress the Conservative vote."

Please R-L-D, if you are a NH-ite, please update us on the Dysfunction of the NH GOP and how they dropped the ball and lost the Governorship.

IMHO this would have been a no-brainer win. Yes your neighbors from the South moving up North have really messed your State, but their has to be more to this story.

FWIW, and without getting into the weeds, I met the Gov, briefly and her Husband and I hear they have a special needs adult child. Nice people, even though we would disagree on politics. He is rolling off as Dean @ P.E. and one may wonder if she has eyes on a higher office, at a later date.

26 posted on 05/01/2015 6:45:23 AM PDT by taildragger (It's Cruz, Pence, or Walker. Anything else is a Yugo with Racing Stripes....)
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To: marktwain; mvpel

Speaking of tyranny in New Hampshire, what happened to the Free State Project?


27 posted on 05/01/2015 6:57:00 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by government regulation.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I have not been keeping up, but I suspect that the constitutional carry bill has been heavily supported by the Free State people there. They have made some progress.

I also suspect that the GOP establishment does not like them.


28 posted on 05/01/2015 7:48:30 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Heck, criminals already practice Constitutional carry, law or no law.

This is for the law-abiding only.


29 posted on 05/01/2015 5:54:49 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obama loves America)
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