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Hydrogen, hydrogen everywhere...
market-robots.com ^ | 20 March 2015 Last updated at 10:21 ET | Matthew Wall

Posted on 03/21/2015 5:36:00 PM PDT by ckilmer

 

20 March 2015 Last updated at 10:21 ET

Hydrogen, hydrogen everywhere...

 

Earth's oceans from space Hydrogen is most commonly found in water - H2O - and in fossil fuels

 

Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. And when you burn it or use it to produce electricity, the only waste product is water.

In the era of global warming, it would seem to be the perfect fuel.

So why aren't we all driving round in hydrogen-powered cars, moving our goods in hydrogen-powered lorries, and heating our homes and offices with this wonder element?

In short, fossil fuels got there first.

Oil, coal and gas were easily accessible and powered the industrial revolution. Around them, entire economies and transport infrastructures were built.

It was only much later that we realised the potentially catastrophic effects hydrocarbon waste products could have on the environment.

"In the Seventies, the oil crisis made people realise that oil-based economies were vulnerable, so people started to get excited about the potential for the hydrogen economy," says Alex Hart, hydrogen expert at the Carbon Trust.

"But then climate change saw a push towards electricity as the answer to hydrocarbons and hydrogen seemed like a distraction."

Now hydrogen is staging something of a comeback.

Fuel cell tech

Hydrogen fuel cells have been around for decades, but they have always been heavy and expensive.

Hydrogen fuel cell car America's first street-ready hydrogen fuel cell car took to the road in 1998
Toyota Mirai at hydrogen filling station Toyota's Mirai hydrogen fuel cell car will cost about €66,000 (£47,000)
Toyota Mirai engine Fuel cells are now smaller, cheaper and more efficient

Now Japanese car manufacturers in particular, like Honda, Toyota and Nissan, as well as Korea's Hyundai, believe they have finally made the fuel cell commercially viable and much more efficient.

Toyota's Mirai fuel cell electric vehicle (FCEV), for example, is being rolled out in the US, Japan, Denmark, Germany and the UK this year.

With a range of about 300-400 miles (480-640km) and a tank that can be filled in a matter of minutes, Toyota is hoping FCEVs can give conventional electric vehicles (EVs) a run for their money.

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How does a hydrogen fuel cell work?

Hydrogen fuel cell in car engine

A fuel cell is composed of an anode, a cathode and an electrolyte membrane. Hydrogen is passed through the anode and oxygen through the cathode. At the anode, the hydrogen molecules are split into electrons and protons.

The protons pass through the electrolyte membrane, while the electrons are driven through a circuit, generating an electric current and heat. At the cathode, the protons, electrons and oxygen combine to produce water molecules.

Fuel cells are clean - the only by-products are electricity, heat and water - and they are quiet, because they have no moving parts.

The proton exchange membrane fuel cell is currently the most suitable for vehicles because it can operate at lower temperatures than other fuel cells, but it is not the most efficient.

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"In Japan we have a three-year waiting list for the car - demand is outstripping supply," says Toyota's Nik Pearson.

Earlier this year, Toyota announced that it would share nearly 6,000 of its hydrogen fuel cell patents in a bid to boost FCEV development.

The patent portfolio covers fuel cell stacks, high-pressure hydrogen tanks, software control systems and the industrial processes involved in generating and supplying the gas.

Pump priming

But will all the other manufacturers develop FCEVs - and consumers buy them - without a filling station network already in place?

"There are already 100 hydrogen stations in California," says Mr Pearson, "and in the UK the government has given £11m of backing for a small network of 15 stations in the South East."

This is still small beer compared to the hundreds of thousands of petrol and diesel stations worldwide.

Hydrogen filling station Hydrogen cars can be refuelled in a matter of minutes, whereas electric battery vehicles take hours to recharge

"The technology of HFCEV has come on in leaps and bounds," says Dr Hamish Nichol, innovation manager for hydrogen at industrial gases giant BOC, part of the Linde Group. "But you need the infrastructure to fuel those cars - it's a chicken and egg situation.

"We're a commercial business - we're not going to build a hydrogen network just for the good of mankind. So we're going to need subsidy from the government."

 

Industrial gases companies, energy companies, vehicle manufacturers and governments are beginning to realise that they have to work together to build the infrastructure, otherwise each stakeholder will be waiting for the other to make the first move.

For example, in Germany just such a consortium - H2 Mobility - is building 100 hydrogen stations over the next two years, with a target of 400 by 2023. The project will cost about €350m (£250m).

And in the north-east of the US, Air Liquide is co-operating with Toyota to build 12 filling stations as a way of boosting interest in hydrogen cars.

But building a comprehensive network will cost billions, experts believe.

Grey or green?

Hydrogen may be a fuel with water as the only waste product, but producing it - most commonly by "cracking" hydrocarbons such as methane - uses a lot of energy and creates greenhouse gases as by-products.

"One of the reasons for using hydrogen is to reduce the carbon footprint, so splitting methane leaves you with the problem of what to do with the CO2 produced," says Dr Nichol.

Hybrid power station This German power station can produce electricity, heat and hydrogen from renewable energy sources

This industrially produced "grey hydrogen" currently accounts for about 95% of total production, says Pierre-Etienne Franc, head of advanced business and technology for Air Liquide, another big industrial gases company.

Far more eco-friendly is hydrogen produced through electrolysis - splitting water into its constituent hydrogen and oxygen molecules - particularly if the electricity used has come from renewable sources, such as wind and solar.

This is the ideal zero-carbon solution.

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Graphic of hydrogen

Hydrogen facts

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Another big advantage of electrolysis is that it allows hydrogen to be produced on site, cutting out distribution costs.

Denmark already has five hydrogen filling stations with embedded electrolysers, and Aberdeen City Council recently opened the UK's largest hydrogen production and bus refuelling station, owned and operated by BOC.

Hydrogen bus Aberdeen is now home to Europe's largest hydrogen bus fleet

The station will fuel 10 hydrogen fuel cell buses.

"But [electrolysis] is about 10 times more expensive than industrial production," admits Mr Franc.

These costs could come down if night-time wind power electricity were used to produce hydrogen when domestic demand is at its lowest, he argues. Oil companies like Shell are currently exploring this option.

Hydrogen future?

So are we well on the road to a fully-fledged hydrogen economy, weaned off our dependence on damaging hydrocarbons?

Possibly, but most industry experts believe that road will be a long one.

"It's going to take a long time because you're completely changing the paradigm - the infrastructure, the regulations - everything," says Mr Franc. "We're on a journey, but we can't go too fast."

The Carbon Trust's Alex Hart is similarly cautious: "Vehicles will definitely be fuelled differently in future, but whether by hydrogen, electricity or biofuel is less clear. We just don't know what the dominant technology will be.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: agitprop; alternativeenergy; fuelcellcar; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; hydrogen; hydrogenfuel; rampantstupidity; unitedkingdom
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To: stormhill

Most biomass is, well , Free, and if engineered and handled correctly hydrogen can be produced from steam in a process called Gasification and be burned safely in a ICE engine..
Check out a website called ALL POWER LABS


61 posted on 03/21/2015 7:17:38 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The Keystone Pipe like Project : build it already Congress !)
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To: kosciusko51

And believe it or not, they have used hydrogen peroxide as rocket fuel, the 90% hydrogen peroxide.
100% hydrogen peroxide is very unstable.


62 posted on 03/21/2015 7:21:28 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The Keystone Pipe like Project : build it already Congress !)
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To: KarlInOhio; Bob; SunkenCiv

H2Gen in Alexandria had a pallet-sized Hydrogen Generation Module (sold to Air Liquide in 2009) to produce hydrogen on site from natural gas - Just drop the pallet with a forklift, hook up a gas line and electricity. Other reformers can be made to convert other common fuels into hydrogen for fuel cells (gasoline, diesel, ethanol, propane). It could allow for rapid and scalable roll out of fueling capacity.

This process emits some pollution, but the net for natural gas conversion is supposedly about half the total emissions of burning the equivalent of gasoline, so it is still an air quality improvement for urban environments.

You can also deliver hydrogen from trucks to storage tanks, to really clean up the air in geographically disadvantaged places like Los Angeles or Mexico City.

I don’t know the hard economics of what is lowest cost, the relative performance advantages, or the importance of the safety issues; but the logistics of standing up a fueling infrastructure for hydrogen is quite feasible.


63 posted on 03/21/2015 7:21:28 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: ckilmer

The prices is about $47k. Pretty steep, but the price point will come down. It’s starting to look more affordable and practical. Minutes to fill beats hours. My guess is the price of the fuel will be ridiculously high.


64 posted on 03/21/2015 7:23:26 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (When you are inclined to to buy storage boxes, but contractor bags instead.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Thanks, sounds interesting; I’ll check it out.


65 posted on 03/21/2015 7:27:50 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: DUMBGRUNT

ping


66 posted on 03/21/2015 7:29:35 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: American Constitutionalist

But isn’t it bad if it disperses quickly? It means that more H is in proximity to O2 if and when it ignites.

The grain silo problem.

Whereas a liquid is not completely atomized. Actually gasoline has to be atomized before it will ignite properly - a carb or fuel injector.


67 posted on 03/21/2015 7:31:47 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: ckilmer
Water vapor is as much a global warming compound as CO2. Sorry about that, the enviros have this one covered. The only solution continues to be 90% of us either being knocked off or, preferably committing suicide.
68 posted on 03/21/2015 7:36:01 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

Starting with the enviros of course.


69 posted on 03/21/2015 7:39:27 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: ckilmer
Hydrogen is not abundant on earth, because it bonds chemically with almost everything else to the right of it on the periodic chart, save the noble gases.

Hydrogen is not a fuel. It is an energy storage medium. It costs energy-- which is money-- to separate hydrogen from water or other compounds. Only part of that energy is regained when hydrogen is burned in a heat engine or used in a fuel cell. Because of entropy, you will NEVER get it all back.

The hydrogen economy is a foolish dream, fueled by government power instead of common sense, using money that the government siphons off the economy in a massive-scale Ponzi scheme.

It is sad that such is being promoted here on Free Republic.

70 posted on 03/21/2015 7:43:09 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: cripplecreek
The real trick is to produce a car that can be filled with distilled water, extract the hydrogen and use it as needed.

That would be equivalent to a perpetual motion machine, and is a violation of the laws of thermodynamics.

71 posted on 03/21/2015 7:43:55 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: cripplecreek
Hydrogen is an excellent energy source

No, it is not. It requires energy to make pure hydrogen, and you can never get that same energy back. At best, hydrogen is an energy storage medium. Mostly, it's another government "green energy"scam that burns money.

72 posted on 03/21/2015 7:45:23 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: kosciusko51
Hydrogen is a fuel, which has been used for decades in rockets.

Show me a source of H2 that you can get without pouring energy into separating it from another compound, or leaving Earth.

You can't.

It's not a fuel, it's an energy storage medium.

73 posted on 03/21/2015 7:46:56 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes we’ve all done the Brown’s gas experiment.

I don’t dislike hydrogen....but it’s production requires energy, And the materials used in a Brown’s gas experiment requires energy to produce the materials needed in such quantity and purity to achieve a yield high enough to produce usable quantities of hydrogen


74 posted on 03/21/2015 7:48:11 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: stormhill
Because engineers are restricted to the world of reality unlike amateurs and dreamers who can operate on the higher plane of fantasy where they can have their choice of electricity, hydrogen or pixie dust as "fuels."

Right on. This engineer agrees.

75 posted on 03/21/2015 7:48:35 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: dhs12345

In a accident in a vehical once that tank or container is cracked open you would be amazed in how fast hydrogen disapates, literally in seconds.
Unlike gasoline, or LNG that stays around and ignites.
They have actually done tests on vehicles that might still be on your tube to see what happens in a accident between different fuels, if you , or some call hydrogen a fuel.
I also saw a video of a hydrogen welder of a commercial where they sell these hydrogen welders.
They say that welding with hydrogen does some strange thjngs.
You know the burning bush that Moses saw and the flame didn’t consume the bush ? That flame could have been hydrogen.

In a car accident gasoline gets splashed all over the place, no wonder they use it in naplam.
LNG tends to seek the lowest point like water.

So which one would you want if there was a car accident ?

I’d pick hydrogen.... Be gone in seconds.


76 posted on 03/21/2015 7:50:36 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The Keystone Pipe like Project : build it already Congress !)
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To: backwoods-engineer

No, it is a fuel, as well as an energy storage medium, just like a hydrocarbon. You need an oxidizer to liberate the energy.

FYI, the whole rocket community refers to it as a fuel.


77 posted on 03/21/2015 7:52:56 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: American Constitutionalist

Flammable paints, a supposed leaking fuel cell , lighting from a thunder storm and 1930s technology sounds like the perfect storm to me.


78 posted on 03/21/2015 7:53:08 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Furthermore, I never said that you could extract hydrogen without using energy.


79 posted on 03/21/2015 7:54:19 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: kosciusko51

The rocket industry refers to it as a fuel because, by and large, the rocket industry is government-funded. I used to be in it.


80 posted on 03/21/2015 7:54:41 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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