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OH:Third Shooting no Charm for Property Owner in Cleveland
Gun Watch ^ | 13 January, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 01/15/2015 2:26:59 PM PST by marktwain


Property owner Miodrag Burgacic defended himself and his property one too many times in crime ridden Cleveland.  He has shot people who were attempting to steal from him twice before, and been able to hold people without shooting them at least once.   No charges were filed in those incidents. From theblaze.com:

Miodrag Bugarcic seems to attract criminals like a magnet.

But because the Cleveland businessman has used firearms to thwart crimes on his property multiple times — once with lethal results — why crooks keep trying to rip him off is anybody’s guess.
After the third shooting, which happened on February 13th of last year, police found that Bugarcic shot at the burglary suspect as he fled.   From 19actionnews.com:
A plea deal for shooting and wounding a man he said he'd found stealing wire in an empty old industrial building he owns on Cleveland's east side.

Cuyahoga county prosecutors say Bugarcic shot the guy coming in to the warehouse, then twice more running away.

That seems to be the basis for the assault charge.  Now Bugarcic faces time in prison, but I do not know the details of the plea bargain.   There might be credit for time served, or probation.  From 19actionnews.com:
Bugarcic faces two to eight years in prison. The price he'll pay for protecting his property but going too far.
The crime level in Cleveland is very high.   When there are more high risk confrontations, there are more chances of something going very wrong.   Bugarcic won the fight, but has lost the legal battle.

I suspect that it would have been different if the burglar had been armed with a gun.   In that case, a defender can not know if the suspect is running away, or simply running to a position for better cover.  Even small handguns can be a deadly threat from a hundred yards away.  Shooting at someone who is armed with a firearm, but is momentarily moving away from you, is often justified.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; burgacic; cleveland; oh
We do not know many details in the case, such as how far was the thief from the property when he was shot.
1 posted on 01/15/2015 2:26:59 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Apparently, he was too far away to be dragged back onto the property. /S


2 posted on 01/15/2015 2:28:38 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: marktwain

This aint a crime here in Texas.


3 posted on 01/15/2015 2:30:29 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: fella

I knew there was something I liked about Texas.


4 posted on 01/15/2015 2:32:11 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: meatloaf

It definitely isn’t the CCW laws. Texas laws on carrying a firearm are bizarre.


5 posted on 01/15/2015 2:39:03 PM PST by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Azeem
It definitely isn’t the CCW laws. Texas laws on carrying a firearm are bizarre.

The main thing is that if you use a firearm to defend your property, the government won't prosecute you, and the wounded (or dead, via his relatives) perp can't sue you for money.

6 posted on 01/15/2015 2:43:40 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Azeem
Using deadly force in Texas is pretty straightforward.

/johnny

7 posted on 01/15/2015 2:44:43 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: marktwain

I don’t have an Ohio CCW, but I always carry when I go to Cleveland’s Chinatown. I don’t care! I’d rather live! Had to park on a side street near
Bo Loong. A group of “Teenagers” turned around and approached me when I got out of my car using a cane. I got back in, and drove away. Found a cop within two blocks, and told him what had happened. He told me, “Go to a different restaurant.” That ain’ta gonna happen! Bo Loong has the best Din Sum in Cleveland.


8 posted on 01/15/2015 2:47:00 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: marktwain

Hey, it’s not his fault that the thieves are slow learners.


9 posted on 01/15/2015 3:12:44 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Azeem

I recall someone witnessing a crime and shooting the criminal as they drove off with a .44 magnum and not being charged for shooting and killing the criminal.

Live fire practice ... on a live target.


10 posted on 01/15/2015 3:18:05 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: marktwain

Why wouldn’t the shooting be justified if the thief still had the wire he was stealing in his hands.


11 posted on 01/15/2015 4:15:22 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (Obama voters are my enemy. And so are republican voters.)
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To: VerySadAmerican; All
“Why wouldn’t the shooting be justified if the thief still had the wire he was stealing in his hands.”

In most jurisdictions, it is not lawful to use deadly force to protect against minor property loss. There are exceptions, but that is the way it is in most places. The value of the property stolen might not have even made it to the level of a felony.

You are not allowed to use deadly force to stop minor crimes if no one’s person or life is in danger.

12 posted on 01/15/2015 4:57:24 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: fella

Cleveland has been a black crime shithole since the 60’s when Ahmed Evans had a shootout with the police (Black extremist movement leader).

Seems the police/prosecutors are more interested in prosecuting the victim instead of the perps.

Welcome to Democrat Locoville.


13 posted on 01/15/2015 5:01:16 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: marktwain

I wonder if some high crime area will ever adopt the Brazilian method of paying off duty police and others to “disappear” the criminals?


14 posted on 01/15/2015 5:33:49 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: marktwain
I suspect that it would have been different if the burglar had been armed with a gun. In that case, a defender can not know if the suspect is running away, or simply running to a position for better cover. Even small handguns can be a deadly threat from a hundred yards away. Shooting at someone who is armed with a firearm, but is momentarily moving away from you, is often justified.

How was he to know that the perp didn't have a gun? He needs to say he thought he saw the guy reaching for a gun - good enough for cops and should be good enough for citizens.

15 posted on 01/16/2015 2:35:40 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: marktwain

My Dad always told me, if someone is breaking into your home through a window, may sure you drag him inside after you blow him away.


16 posted on 01/16/2015 10:43:17 AM PST by jimbug
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