Global Warming on Free Republic
Posted on 11/26/2014 7:58:30 PM PST by America_Right
Hi fellow Freepers,
I have been away since the last general election, but since we cleaned up in this midterm, I have been getting back into the news and politics a little more.
Anyway, I was reading a globull warming article's comments on some website, and one of the comments was from a physicist named Harry Dale Huffman. He used an equation to show that there is almost NO difference between Earth and Venus when it comes to atmospheric temperature, even though Venus has an atmosphere composed almost entirely of CO2.
With indisputable math, he is able to show absolute proof that there is NO WAY CO2 emissions can be causing any kind of atmospheric temperature changes.
Enjoy! Follow the link to the article, and you can go from there to Harry's blog - the comments are awesome. More than a few Warmists had their eyes opened by this.
Earths temperature at the surface is 288 Kelvin. (15 C). The atmospheric pressure at the surface of the Earth is 1000 millibars. The temperature of Venus at 1000 millibars is 339 Kelvin (66 C) Using only the distance from the sun, we can determine that Venus should be about 17.6% hotter than Earth in degrees Kelvin. (explanation below) BIG NEWS: Venus’s temperature at 1000 millibars is almost exactly the same as Earth’s … based solely on the distance from the sun. (differing only by about 0.5%.) The temperature comparisons continued to hold true all the way from 1000 millibars through 200 millibars, varying by a maximum of 5% and by less than 1% in most cases.
(Excerpt) Read more at newandamazing.shadowsofadistantmoon.com ...
I'm going to do my best trying to enjoy myself with fossil fuel killing the planet with the time I have left on this earth!!!!
CO2 goes down very rapidly in Jun-Jul-Aug, which would correlate with the peak growing season in the Northern Hemisphere.
Anyone know why that happens?
More land mass in the N.H.?
More plant life in the N.H.?
There is settled science on all kinds of things. For example; the number of chromosomes in normal human DNA is 46. I don’t think there will be a new finding on that.
In order to control any population, cheap abundant evergy must be eliminated!
Climate change BS has nothing to do with climate change, never has, never will.
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If CO2 traps heat, does it also prevent heat from the Sun from getting to Earth in the first place?
How does the molecule know which direction the heat is coming from?
This article is just bad. The atmospheres of Earth and Venus are not even remotely similar. Venus has no water and the primary greenhouse gas is water vapor. His heart is in the right place but he doesn’t know what the heck he’s talking about. Leave this argument on the floor.
Solar energy is mostly in the UV spectrum, which is not absorbed by CO2. Radiant energy form the Earth is in the IR spectrum, which is absorbed by CO2.
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The math in this article is very interesting, but I do have a question - for anyone.
I wonder if the fact that the Earth’s atmosphere at 1000 MB is bordered on one side by land and sea changes the temperature equation?
On Venus, that same pressure is bordered on two sides by gas.
with an upward measuring system to get the ice thickness...
and guess what...
The ice is much thicker than previously thought....
RT | November 26, 2014
A new type of 3D mapping revealed Antarctic sea ice could be much thicker than previously estimated, shows a study done with the help of a yellow robotic submarine named SeaBed.
The new study, published in Nature Geoscience, showed that average ice thickness in Antarctica is between 1.4 meters and 5.5 meters. The maximum thickness recorded was 17 meters.
Also, 76 percent of the mapped ice has been tagged as ‘deformed,’ the study stated, which means that ice crashed together, forming a thicker layers of ice.
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Dude...I think the guy is full of it, but at least he’s not trying to calculate percentages of temperatures in Centigrade. Jeez.
Ping for later
Our problem must be the cow-farts —
“absolute proof”
“NO WAY”
Sounds more like the rants of a religious fanatic than science.
This is nonsense. Go back and learn something about science.
Who’d a thunk it? The sun? Really?
CO2 constitutes 0.039% of the Earth’s atmosphere. Not 10%, not 1%, not 0.1%; just 0.039%. About 4 parts per 1,000. Climate change alarmists have never explained how a gas that constitutes such an infinitesimally small percentage of the atmosphere could have oh so powerful an effect on climate.
“there is almost NO difference between Earth and Venus when it comes to atmospheric temperature, even though Venus has an atmosphere composed almost entirely of CO2. ... The temperature of Venus at 1000 millibars is 339 Kelvin (66 C).” (1000 millibars = temp at the surface).
There is no way that Venus has a balmy surface temp of 65.8 degrees Fahrenheit. This guy must have done his “math” in the 1950s when 65 degrees at surface was believed to be correct.
Kelvin measures temps in relation to absolute zero, while Celsius measures in relation to the freezing point of water.
His “math” is BS:
“There are many geophysical similarities between Venus and the Earth. Average temperature is not one of them. Where the Earth has an average surface temperature of 14 degrees Celsius, the average temperature of Venus is 460 degrees Celsius. That is 410 degrees hotter than the hottest deserts on our planet.
The temperature on Venus does not vary like it does on our home world. It is 460 degrees day or night, at the poles or at the equator.”
(733.15 degrees Kelvin = 460 degrees Celsius, or 860 degrees Fahrenheit).
http://www.universetoday.com/14306/temperature-of-venus/
“And so today we have a carbon dioxide atmosphere on Venus which is 92 times more dense than Earth’s atmosphere at the surface.”
http://www.universetoday.com/22577/venus-greenhouse-effect/
Proximity to the Sun does not account for the radical differences in surface temperatures. Nor does the Earth have surface pressures anywhere near that of Venus, being the equivalent to that found a half mile beneath the ocean. This guy makes some simplistic adjustments to various known numbers, then composes some formula out of his head to produce the result he desires.
Does a water molecule react the same way as a carbon dioxide molecule to UV and IR radiation?
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