Posted on 11/21/2014 8:32:02 AM PST by huldah1776
Question. I am doing a study on the return of the Messiah and His government. So far it's pretty exciting, but I am noticing a pattern. His government is based on truth, justice, and righteousness. One of His major pet peeves is oppression of the alien. Is America guilty of this? Has it always taken 10 years or more to become a citizen and/ or should this be changed?
I don't know why it takes so long, believe there should be a vetting period, and know that all government programs are inefficient, so looking for secular and religious answers. The churches taking in the illegals may be doing so under false ideology.
I do believe the first law that should be changed is the anchor baby law. Just because you are born within the borders should not make you a citizen. If a baby is born on an American military base, are they citizens if their mother was a non-citizen? Also think all citizens should have to pass the same civics test as an immigrant before being permitted to vote.
I think the alien represents those from every nation and tongue (language) who are included in God's plan of redemption for the world, so that is why Israel was required to be just. Israel is not better than any other people, they were just blessed with being chosen to reveal the glory of God to the world. Greater task, greater blessing.
Not only false guilt, you have a false hermeneutic. Check the development of the story line and find where Gentiles are actually grafted into the picture.
How are we oppressing them?
Why must all oppressed people come here? Do people in oppressed countries not have a GODLY duty to change their own countries? Does GOD only live in the US? Is their time better spent trying to change their own countries? American citizens have NOTHING to feel guilty about.
If you are going to bring the Bible into the debate, bring the WHOLE bible in context.
Those who were aliens in Israel were commanded to obey the LAWS of Israel.
By definition, an Illegal Alien has not obeyed the LAWS of the United States.
They broke the law coming here illegally, and they break the law whenever they use EBT cards, and get Social Services of any kind, or get or use fake IDs.
End of Debate, End of Discussion on the issue of Illegal Immigrants and whether or not they should ever be given citizenship.
I'd change Bible translations if I were you.
Also, the current Federal government is hopelessly politicized meaning that some want more aliens here so they will vote for more free government handouts. God knows who actually needs charity and who is cynically gaming the system. Paul wrote that he who does not work should not eat. Is that the way our welfare system works. Absolutely not.
America has been extremely charitable in allowing access to foreigners, far more than any other country. We are also the most charitable country on earth, giving away billions annually privately and through the government. I hope that God is pleased with this and feel assured that He won't punish us for not killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
Well stated!
I live in LA, and as more and more illegals flooded into my area, I saw more bars on doors and windows, more graffiti, more catcalling of women on the streets, more single women with lots of kids buying food with food stamps, more crime, more drunk driving, more unlicensed drivers, schools becoming more dangerous and adding metal detectors, more gangs, etc., etc. Could this really be God's will? Does God want Americans to be beaten, raped, killed, hit by drunk drivers, have to wait eight hours or more in the emergency room, women harassed on the streets, having to pay for welfare for people who don't deserve it, the border trashed, drugs, and on and on? The Bible says "by their fruits you will know them," well, I say, by its fruits we shall know illegal immigration. Along with illegal immigration comes outrages that God could not possibly approve of.
When Moses and the Israelites wanted to pass through Edom, they asked permission first. They promised not to be any trouble, not to cost or inconvenience the Edomites in any way. When the Edmomites still said no, Moses didn't say, "Oh, you xenophobes, we're coming in anyway and we're taking over." No, he led the Isrealites all the way around Edom, at great inconvenience to them. I believe this tells us that illegals should apply to come here LEGALLY, that they should not hurt or inconvenience Americans in any way, and if they are denied entrance for any reason, they should respect that and stay in their own countries. If God approved of illegal immigration, He would have told Moses to go ahead and enter Edom.
Exactly why stinking libs want to do away with the word Illegals..The same way they legalized abortion. Declassify the child and call it a fetus. A fetus couldn’t possibly qualify for human rights. These people are truly evil and would change even scripture to fit their Godless agenda.
The US oppresses the Alien less than any other nation is history. The US allows the Alien to become non-Alien.
Allowing illegals to circumvent the normal legal process is ultimately more oppressive to them, and others, than going the legal route. If you are worried about oppression.
Sorry, not deceitful. I will NEVER come here for a religious question again. Lord have mercy!
Were the aliens in the Old Testament those who converted to Judaism? That would answer the question. I know the Jews were not to associate with pagans, so that must be the answer.
What a loving understanding group of first responders.
Alex, I use the NASV because I thought it was the closest to the original texts but read a dissertation against that claim just this morning.
Thank you. I hadn’t thought of the Israelites as immigrants because I think of Joshua going into the Promised Land and they were ordered to wipe out every town because of child sacrifice. There would have been a difference between when they were in the wilderness and when they crossed the Jordan.
Context is everything. In context Jesus referred to the aliens who were permitted to live in the Holy Land. He said nothing about being nice to invaders.
Good question. I’ll have to do a study of the historical contextual meaning in the Bible.
Well, they only planned to pass through, not stay in Edom. But I think the fact that they asked permission first, and then respected the wishes of the Edomites, (even though the Edomites were being unfair,) is a lesson to us.
INVASION USA
Scripture supports the rule of law (excerpt)
Without the support of the American people, the open-borders crowd is now trying to claim a more powerful ally: God. (snip)
From my own study, I find that the Scriptures clearly indicate that God charges civil authorities with preserving order, protecting citizens and punishing wrongdoers. A prime passage is Romans 13:1-7: “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities.” Neither God nor the Bible ever rewards lawlessness (1 Timothy 1:8-10). (snip)
. . . the Hebrew term for “sojourn,” as well as the dictionary definition, means “temporary stay.” A related term used in some scriptural translations is “stranger.” So this passage offers no scriptural sanction for allowing millions of illegal immigrants to remain permanently in the United States. In the New Testament, the word “stranger” denotes one who is simply unknown (The New Westminster Dictionary of the Bible).
http://www.wnd.com/2009/12/118347/
Citizenship is available at 6 years and 3 (I think) but only for some kinds of married couples.
My twinge of false guilt is probably exactly what the churches are using (along with accepting government bribes) to house and support the illegal aliens. So in actuality, after reading all the posts, the churches are actually using uneducated believers to allow the invasion of the land by those who are lawbreakers or if put in Old Testament context, were allowing the aliens to hide their idols under their pillows and burn incense to Baal thus giving Satan a foothold.
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