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China near collapse?
Propublica.org comment ^ | 27 August, 2014 | BiberWallgoal

Posted on 08/31/2014 8:05:08 PM PDT by marktwain

I am a Chinese working as a China analyst at a think tank. It is becoming more and more apparent to many people, that the ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP) knows it is on its last straw of survival.

The party is facing severe and endlessly increasing systematic stress on all fronts:

1. Increasing external oppositions from all other countries in the world including all of China's neighbours. They are forming more and more alliances and becoming more outspoken with rising strengths against China, in addition to increasing anti-China sentiment from people in all other countries. Many countries including Canada and Australia have tightened their immigration policy to prevent Chinese from entering their countries. Even on these casual internet message boards, when you look past the paid Chinese propaganda professional commenters, you notice rising general anti-China feelings from all over the world.

2. Increasing internal severe and massive violent social unrest and anti-CCP mutiny from people of all Chinese living places. To beat down internal dissent in mainland China, the CCP every year is forced to spend even more money than on its massive military budget. All the semi-external places (Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet, Macau) are fighting harder and harder to break free from China. Taiwan is for all practical purposes already a separate democratic country, and anti-China sentiment there (especially among younger Taiwanese generation) is at all-time high after seeing how China violently suppress Hong Kong as an example of "reunification". This whole situation is continuously worsened by the free flow of information, with Chinese people knowing more and more from travelling abroad and learning about truths from jumping beyond the "Great Fire Wall" on the internet.

3. Its own economy and social condition never able to advance to higher level beyond mass skill-less manufacturing, due to complete absence of law and common morals. High technology and innovations and scientific development all require many citizens working together voluntarily contributing long term in a system they trust, with things like rule of law, no censorship on knowledge, no restrictions on speech and expression, copyrights, patents, common morals when collaborating and trading with each other etc. These qualities are all destroyed in modern China by the CCP. When was the last time you heard an announcement of technology development or innovations or scientific breakthrough coming from a Chinese organization / company / university? You haven't because there ain't any. Unlike mass manufacturing factory work, these high level human developments cannot be forced on or bought with a dictator's central planning. The only way modern China gets these things is from stealing and spying from all other countries, but that has become much more difficult since the whole world has caught on to their act.

This systematic fatal weakness is why you do not see even one Chinese brand or company that can compete in the international market in any industry of the human race. For example Lenovo, who is already one of the few Chinese brands some people may have heard of, cannot make either the chips that power their computers or the operating system that run them, so it is just one of many plain vanilla boxmakers without any competitive advantage. Another example Huawei is blacklisted by many countries and international customers because everyone knows Huawei's products send all communication data back to the CCP. No rule of law in China also means no people or businesses, both Chinese and foreign, ever invest in China long-term or on a large scale because everything frequently change on a whim along with the political climate. No one trusts any contract or agreement in China because they are always broken by the Chinese and there is no legal protection whatsoever, meaning China can never advance to a knowledge economy or service economy. No rule of law also ensures Shanghai fail to become a financial city despite the CCP dumping huge resources into it for 30 years.

4. China's mass skill-less manufacturing itself is going away to other countries due to sharply increasing costs and openly hostile and unfair business environment full of frauds and sanctioned protectionism and government robberies. The labor force is endlessly more demanding both in wages and benefits expectations and working conditions, especially since all of today's Chinese workers are single child used to coddling and indulgement by their own family. It is further worsened by the rise of robotic automatic manufacturing and 3D printing. This situation is a death knock to the "growth-based legitimacy" of the CCP, which is the only thing CCP can rely on for continuing ruling power. For sure Chinese people tolerate the CCP when the economy seemingly explodes, but when one day it crashes and the country's hopeless bad shape hit them in the face the people's "support" for the CCP will turn on a dime.

Since six months ago, all the major economic indicators for China have gone on a continuing nosedive - including manufacturing orders, export volume, commercial investments, graduate employment rate, corporate credits, foreign capital inflow, domestic consumptions, real estate prices, consumer spendings, luxury goods demand, HSBC Service PMI, survey of business sentiments etc. Suddenly all the rich Chinese tourists gobbling up luxury goods at different world cities seem to have disappeared altogether. The CCP is on its last resort of printing literally trillions of worthless renminbi to dump into the economy, causing way more long-term harm than short-term help, and when that is over there is nothing else the CCP can do to prop up the failing economy. China currently ranks 82nd on GDP per capita and that is the highest it can go before falling sharply in the coming near future.

5. Fierce unstoppable purges and mutually-destructive infighting among different factions within the party, who are imprisoning and killing each other every day. This power grab goes on under the laughable thin guise of "anti-corruption drive" when everyone knows all officials in china are corrupted. No work to manage the country or guide the ship is being done while this is going on.

6. Its many previously-suppressed fatal problems have all grown too big to be contained all catching up to the CCP e.g.

- severe carcinogenic poisonous pollution everywhere in air and water and soil and their own food etc, with the WHO issuing multiple warnings on Chinese population having the fastest cancer growth rate in the whole world - skyrocketing unrepayable bad debts of all kinds everywhere, its true scope no one on Earth knows because all data from China are faked - biggest housing bubble in human history, in addition to innumerous crumbling "ghost cities" and shoddily-built vanity project infrastructure that cannot and will not be used - rapidly aging demographics with a 140:100 male:female ratio (from one child policy, culture of "leftover women", and many Chinese families killing their own daughters so as to chase boys) - world's no.1 wealth inequality, with a Gini coefficient rivaling 18th century France just before the French revolution - complete absence of soft power / cultural influence / social attraction, partly due to CCP censorship. One result of which is minimal and sharply dwindling number of foreign professionals and tourists and students going to China. It also means the CCP only has force as the only tool to use on the international stage - all Chinese chasing foreign-brand goods and services while ditching low-quality Chinese-brands, who have a well known history of poisoning their own food and their own baby formula so as to make more money. This dashs CCP's hope to build indigenous industries and a domestic consumption economy - corruptions and fraud throughout the whole rotten core of a system - desperate mass exodus at all levels of Chinese society to escape the country using emigration or buying houses / study abroad or marriage to foreigners or plain old human smuggling, resulting in all able Chinese leaving taking huge amounts of talents and money out of the country - the law of large numbers, "middle-income trap" and "Minsky moment" all work against the growth-based legitimacy CCP desperately needs for its survival

Most importantly, the CCP knows that if 1.4 billion Chinese learn about basic human qualities such as morals, truth, justice, human rights, rule of law, fairness, freedom, universal values etc the CCP will be toppled very quickly. Therefore its state-controlled brainwashing education and propaganda machinations ensure a complete lack of morals and regard for laws in all Chinese growing up and beyond. This results in failure in all basic aspects of human interactions with every modern Chinese, whether it is business trading / personal dealings / technology development / creating innovations / human communications / scientific research / artistic expressions / teamwork collaborations / academic exchange etc. Another propaganda brainwashing technique used by the CCP is to make all Chinese people pathologically nationalistic and very emotional on this issue, so the CCP can always create and point to some "foreign enemies" so as to hide all the domestic crises and government robberies going on. This attention-diverting technique is the same trick magicians have used for more than a thousand years to fool their audience.

An interesting example would be the Chinese reaction to this report - they are expected to dismiss this report as total rubbish, accuse the author "unpatriotic" for saying the truth, shout China will only become richer and stronger than all other countries, yet they will give no counter-arguments and they will make no acknowledgement to the horrible factual conditions and complete lack of basic human qualities listed above in modern China. Ironically, the longer Chinese people deny or refuse to acknowledge the CCP problem, the longer they are only digging themselves into the hole and hurting themselves for any chance of recovery, causing the chinese economy to crash even further. Consider the example of Google, Facebook, Wikipedia, Youtube, Whatsapp, Twitter, Instagram etc - these services are all completely blocked in China while at the same time the rest of the planet are on these services every second communicating ideas with each other, making friends, exchanging knowledge, doing business, working together, improving science and technology and arts, and advancing humanity.

Some people say China economically developed a lot in past 30 years, but the truth is this "development" is actually debt borrowed against the future. After the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre of their own students, in order to survive and hang on to power, the CCP was forced to pursue short-term explosive economic growth that sacrifice everything else, including a foundation or potential for long-term economic and social development. This "scorched earth" policy is like winning the lottery for corrupted CCP officials who can rob a lot of money from the country in the short-term before escaping to America. The only entity left to suffer is China's future from this point on, a country that has been turned by the CCP into a place with no law, no morals, no system for future scientific or economic or social development, no spiritual support apart from money, no trust or cooperation among Chinese, no trust or goodwill from foreigners, no other country as friends, all resources sold away cheaply, entire environment and air and water and soil and food fatally polluted, only social recognition is to make a lot of money for "face", no creativity or personal development for Chinese young people, a populus not allowed to know the truths and not allowed to say the truths.

The end result is that majority wealth of this "debt borrowed against the future" has gone to the 0.00000001% elite ruling class "princeling" CCP families (about 250 of them) who have already smuggled trillions of dollars abroad along with their U.S. passports and their own children (all Chinese elites and Politburo members hold foreign passports, with U.S. and U.K. being the most sought after choice). For the CCP in 1989, 1.4 billion people is great central-planning asset when the country start from nothing and you order them to do backbreaking mass manufacturing repetitive factory work 20 hours a day without workers protection of any kind. But in the 2014 borderless knowledge economy when that no longer works, 1.4 billion immoral and uncooperative and selfish and undeveloped and angry Chinese contained in a lawless system without any hopes of growth is very, very dangerous liability for the CCP.

All debts against the future have to be paid back - China is no exception. That moment may arrive a bit later than expected but it surely will come, as it has on 100% of occasions in human history. In normal countries bad conditions correct themselves with short periods of market ups and downs, but in China the CCP suppress all problems and criticisms until inevitable system meltdown. For China the moment has arrived to suffer the consequences for all its own chosen actions in past 30 years. All the festering fundamental systematic problems listed above and much more, are only getting worse and worse everyday until one day when the system can suddenly no longer bear.

Think USSR in 1989.

( Cliff notes summary for the smartphone generation with Attention-Deficit-Disorder:

- The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) chose a path of no return to pursue miraculous economic growth - Miraculous economic growth has been achieved, now China has hit the wall and the bad things have caught up - CCP cannot go on externally, it cannot go on internally, no more economic growth is possible, many fatal cancers and huge structural problems from the past now overwhelming the country - Something has to break, what happens is anyone's guess, guranteed to greatly impact China and the world )


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: china; chinesecommunist; collapse; uspassport
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To: PA Engineer

The underlying reason for the Chinese collapse is bad culture. The one-child policy is an outgrowth of Chinese culture. Their philosophy and religion, while holding many truths, is deeply flawed. Bad doctrine leads to bad outcomes.


61 posted on 09/01/2014 5:10:20 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: reefdiver

Pivot or die. They’d be replaced in a heartbeat and are being outclassed in many departments. That’s a free market benefit, not a glitch.


62 posted on 09/01/2014 5:11:14 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: LS

The word Christian has grown to near meaningless. There are Christians for abortion, envy, gluttony, homosexual marriage, etc. What does Christian really mean? Are there clearly defined values that all “Christians” embrace?

You could literally be looking at the pop culture destruction of “Christianity” via the Red Chinese. It’s Western, decadent and different. How is that different than tattooing or fashion-following?

I’ve met native Chinese Christians. Some impressed with their faithfulness and devotion. Others were just into it for the fun of being different. I suspect they’ll be Christian just like Americans are Christian.

That said, I’d rather see a billion Christian converts, than a billion Muslim ones.


63 posted on 09/01/2014 5:15:46 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: rbg81
A lot of the modernization that that is going on there is substandard to say the least. Saw a university campus that was less than 5 years old that was already falling apart.

I wonder if they manufacture their weapons systems with the same level of quality that the rest of their junk has. It's tough to take pride in your work when it's done at gunpoint.

Read a post by an engineer who said the Three Gorges Dam should never have been built and could collapse at any given moment. That in and of itself could turn China into a memory.

64 posted on 09/01/2014 5:21:00 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: marktwain

China’s not going anywhere...yet the survival of the United States now depends, in large part, on China collapsing.

...for the alternative is China having an economy larger than the US and Europe combined, in about a decade or so, at present relative growth rates.


65 posted on 09/01/2014 5:28:25 AM PDT by BobL (...part of Agenda 21 (whatever that is))
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To: 1010RD

There’s a lot of resources to gain in Siberia. Also, make no mistake, the second China thinks they can take Canada and/or the US... They will.


66 posted on 09/01/2014 5:33:25 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Joe Boucher

Ya, that’s usually how it goes. I don’t pretend to know the situation of the internal workings of China, but I do know with that young population of men that can’t get wives that something has to give. I also know they use more resources a day then they bring in, so that’s not sustainable either.


67 posted on 09/01/2014 5:36:06 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Tonytitan

I think if something is high profile enough they do it very well. The Beijing airport (international terminal) was nice and the Beijing subway system was maybe the best one I’ve ever ridden on (with announcements in Chinese + English). But, yes, shoddy is definitely the norm. They often don’t realize how shoddy things are. I was shown a dorm that obviously was infested with mold and smelled, but they acted like they had a lot of pride in it.

Another thing is that a lot of Chinese are acutely aware of how repressive the Government is. After I went to China, we had a contingent of their faculty visit our University. For almost all of these, it was their first time in America. I think the differences shocked them.

Finally, the Chinese (really Asians in general) have a reputation for being orderly. Nothing is further from the truth. You see this early on when they cut in lines. Their traffic is extremely chaotic too—and dangerous. A common sight is a family of 3 people riding on a single electric scooter with NO helmets.


68 posted on 09/01/2014 5:42:13 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: 1010RD

As a college professor (computer science), I’ve actually found the Chinese to be very good students. They are almost all hardworking and smart, but perhaps not that imaginative.
Wish more American students had their work ethic.

Your description is more indicative of Indians, who turn cheating into an art form. I think the Indian elite are good, but then you have a big drop off. Another thing is that many of them are very (very) arrogant. Americans often do not pick up on this because they act polite & speak with an accent. But underneath, they have an arrogant streak. Many of them who study in this country have rich parents and look down harshly on those they feel superior to or are in their way. They really feel that they are entitled to graduate because they have paid their fee, regardless of whether they do the work or not.


69 posted on 09/01/2014 5:48:21 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: marktwain

To me this article has the ring of truth about it but I wonder if that’s only because it confirms my ideological predilections. I’ve been reading the pro-China Martin Jacques book recently and this article gives the other side of the argument.

The thing about centralized control is that it’s easy to imagine why it should work but the reasons why it never does work are far less immediately apparent. Reality works on subtle levels that can be hard to see and recognize and put into words.

At the end of the day it kind of comes down to faith in God for me — that he has created us to thrive in an environment of freedom (and trust and love), and that long term success of any political system can be determined on that basis.


70 posted on 09/01/2014 5:52:02 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: marktwain
Communist governments are "always" near collapse, we need look no further than our own gov't having been taken over by communists.

The best we can hope for is our current communist gov't collapses sooner rather than later, we have the advantage because unlike other communist gov't's we have a Free Republic blueprint with which to replace communism immediately.

In a Free Republic prosperity is "always" a given, the only problem is when "we the people" neglect it and don't give all the care and attention as one would give a newborn baby...all this current communist nonsense going on in our gov't; is at it's root the fault of "we the people", the founding fathers knew this, we failed to adhere their warning and threw the baby out with the bath water.

Revolution Now!

71 posted on 09/01/2014 5:59:48 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: marktwain
I read a couple days ago in The Week magazine that 64% of the affluent that haven't already left, have plans to do so.
72 posted on 09/01/2014 6:23:07 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: Thermalseeker
The most popular/top selling car in China is the Buick.
73 posted on 09/01/2014 6:30:13 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: rbg81

I had the exactly different experience in China, that’s funny. Perhaps, we’re both drawing too broad a picture. I’ve worked for and with Indians and I completely concur. Their arrogance is hidden by every courtesy, but you are still a low-caste person.


74 posted on 09/01/2014 7:35:26 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: marktwain

A very good analysis and falls into place quite nicely with what I personally know. Number 3 in particular strikes a chord with me.

BUT! I must say that none of this analysis is very new. I saw much of this same stuff back in the 1960’s. What we are seeing though that is more significant than it once was is the mental and emotional outlooks of the young princes and princesses that are the result of single child families. They are not as stoic as their parents and grand-parents. They see and touch the things that are being made by them for foreign markets and they want them too.

Because of those and other factors that the CCP and it’s bureaucracy are hiding from the rest of the world China must look outwards for an enemy that they can beat in a ‘Short Victorious War’. Or deal with a mean and nasty internal war of the provinces.


75 posted on 09/01/2014 8:03:22 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: 1010RD

Well, I was talking about the Chinese students who come to the US to study. I gave a couple lectures in China, but never taught a formal course.

One thing that stands out though: I was told beforehand that the audience would have an excellent command of English. That turned out to be absolutely false. A translator was needed and, even so, I think hardly anyone understood me. I still got applause though, I’m sure out of politeness.


76 posted on 09/01/2014 8:14:57 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: 1010RD

I haven’t met any Chinese Christians, so you have me there. But the stories I’ve read by people who have tell me that these are highly persecuted people, quite devout. I doubt they are in it for “fun”. There was even a PBS special on the growing Chinese Christian church.


77 posted on 09/01/2014 9:14:18 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Bulwyf

Exactly my first thought. China collapses...it will go to war either internally(civil) or go after needed resources externally.


78 posted on 09/01/2014 9:17:14 AM PDT by EBH (And the angel poured out his cup...)
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To: rbg81

I’m not surprised. Even in Hong Kong the people use more Chinese, than English.

The cheaters we encountered were all located in mainland China proper. I’ve had only good experiences with Chinese immigrants to the US - hard working, honest and intelligent.


79 posted on 09/01/2014 9:19:18 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: G Larry

With all the goods we get from China...if either of us collapse...the cascading effect across the globe will be ...magnificent.


80 posted on 09/01/2014 9:19:51 AM PDT by EBH (And the angel poured out his cup...)
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