Posted on 08/11/2014 11:52:31 AM PDT by lbryce
Homosexuals Often Had a High Status in Native American Tribes
Native American males were expected to become warriors and hunters, but it was also recognized that the stress of being under such burdens often demanded spiritual advice and healing.
This duty would usually fall upon a homosexual Shaman. In the Native culture, to be gay meant to be "from the outside world," to be "spiritually gifted." However, Homosexual only included men who preferred social and sexual "female roles."
Needless to say, they were highly respected within the community. In fact, straight men could have sex with a homosexual without having his manhood doubted. It was actually considered a huge honor to have a Gay lover or "wife," and raised one’s honor in the tribe. In many other ancient cultures, such as the Greek and the Roman, homosexuality was associated with spiritual insight.
I had never heard anything remotely reminiscent regarding homosexuality rampant within the Native American tribes spread across this vast great continent of ours. To talk of Native Americans would be to describe a nation of tribes, proud, strong, family-centric, community minded living off the land in harmony with nature, of great warriors, even greater legends, all of which devastated , destroyed, usurped, by the evil, wily European White Man who through guile, trickery, broken promises, expropriated this great land to make it their own while the rightful keepers were systematically uprooted from the very moment they landed in the New World.
Yes, their story is sad, tragic, even unprecedented in the brutal, brutish loss of their land to the White Man, a fate seemingly inexplicable to all including myself.
Most who try to understand the fate of the Red Man are usually at a loss for words and simply throw their hands up and speak of the White Man's ruthlessness as the only rationale for it all.
But this historically obscure revelation has given me great pause to think about their fate as divine retribution in the connection there seemed to be between the Native American nation and its sordid, depraved way of life.
To talk of the spiritual roots of homosexuality is to reveal a a sordid proclivity, perspective antithetical, abominable to the laws of God, nature and humanity itself.
I was taken aback to learn of how homosexual men within the Native American population were highly respected.
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It was actually considered a huge honor to have a Gay lover or "wife," and raised one’s honor in the tribe. In many other ancient cultures, such as the Greek and the Roman, homosexuality was associated with spiritual insight.
Upon reading the special status accorded these homosexuals from across so-called enlightened, spiritually insightful societies it occurred to me in a rather dramatic way how these very same societies were now extinct,resonating only from a point of historical past.
It was at this point I began to be struck by the terrible fate of the Native American, in many ways unprecedented, essentially gone from everyday life, condemned to a life of abject poverty, economic hardship, abject-poverty disease, crime ridden, demographically non-viable and wondered if it all was the Wrath of God that had done them in infinitely more destructive manner, than any White Man Cavalry Brigade might ever do.
Tell a lie often enough and it becomes accepted as truth.
I work with them, I get how it all happened to them, and there’s nothing anywhere attributing ‘high status’ to gay people in any tribal lore.
They are STILL their own worst enemy.
I asked them once why there is ZERO direct foreign investment in Indian nations. Companies feel more contractually stable investing in China and Russia, than in the Sioux nation. Why?
Sovereign immunity - it’s like a monkey trap for them, but I get it.
Then I asked, ‘How come there’s no Indian Nations bank?’ ‘At this point, why aren’t the tribes funding their own economic development if they aren’t willing to do what it takes to attract ‘white’ cash?’
The answer:
“Because no tribe trusts the other. We can’t trust each other enough to make it happen.”
And there you go. They can’t even write a contract so that they are satisfied they’ll get a fair hearing in their own jurisdictions.
Someone ought to ask real American Indians what they think of this re-write...
I’m not buying it. Show me some old references to homosexuality in Native American tribes. Gays have been trying to rewrite history and make everyone gay.
When me get that feeling, me need sexual healing.
As far as the question of how homosexuals were viewed in some of their cultures, so what? Same goes for the ancient Greeks of any other long defunct culture. Are we supposed to ape Sparta or take illiterate Afghans and their "cultural" customs of buggering little boys and mutilating their girls as a behavioral example? For the vast majority of people in our culture repulsion and disgust are the reaction by those practices (and to what goes on in Obama's and Rahm's Chicago bath house hideaway). They need to just STFU and stop expecting acceptance.
High Status Accorded Homosexuals In Native American Tribes
BULLSH!T
The article itself is lacking enough detail (tribes, time, places) to make it suspect.
Tribal lore among the Sioux and the Utes with whom I have family ties considered sexual abuse of children so contemptible that the corpse of such an offender so executed would not even be handled-- it was typically pushed over a cliff, riverbank or forbidden area with a long pole.
Yet ANOTHER reason why we needed to drive the Native American into small reservations.
Thank you, friend. Appreciate your response.
Article is just more revisionist BS piece pushing the agenda.
Pretty huste article..Hard to teach with patience..on this subject.
Whether such effeminate males in a warrior society were actually respected is another question. I would tend to think not.
Love it!!!
Well that confirms it!!
LOL!!!
The informants seemed somewhat bemused by these individuals, but accepting. Neither they nor Lindermann seem to have had any particular axe to grind one way or the other - it was just the way things were.
All the business about honor and acceptance etc. appears to be a gloss by the authors here and others who have seized on these brief mentions to push their agenda.
These books, by the way, are about as close as we will ever come to an unfiltered account of the way things were while the tribes were still living their pre-settlement customs.
The depraved perverts of our society are so desperate to be seen as “normal” that they are attempting to find some culture, any culture, where it was not seen as shameful. Thus they dig through the vast history of cultures in a vain attempt to point to one and say “See, we are normal.”
OK, so the Washington Gay Warriors would be an honoring name. Cool.
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