MH17: Pinning Everything on Putin Is Too Easy

Breitbart's London ^ | July 21, 2014 | M.E. Synon

[2ndDivisionVet]

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The British newspapers, like the British government, are pinning the blame for the Malaysian Airlines disaster on Putin. Most Americans, whether Democrats or Republicans, would see things the way these UK headlines do:

"Putin is a pariah – he must be treated as such"

"Britain and America implicate Russia in Flight MH17 missile attack"

"Two British families killed by 'Putin the terrorist'"

And over a column written by Prime Minister David Cameron, this headline: "This is an outrage made in Moscow"

However, some well-informed conservatives in Britain are pointing the finger for the war in Ukraine not at Putin, but at the empire builders of the European Union.

Peter Hitchens, a leading British conservative commentator, summed up the argument in today's Mail on Sunday

"…those who began the current war in Ukraine – the direct cause of the frightful murder of so many innocents on Flight MH17 on Thursday – really have no excuse. There is no doubt about who they were. In any war, the aggressor is the one who makes the first move into neutral or disputed territory."

"And that aggressor was the European Union, which rivals China as the world's most expansionist power, swallowing countries the way performing seals swallow fish (16 gulped down since 1995)."

"Ignoring repeated and increasingly urgent warnings from Moscow, the EU – backed by the USA – sought to bring Ukraine into its orbit....

[logi_cal869]

More basis in your comment than the one above...

[dforest]

In case you missed it, affiliating and living in peace in the West from here on out is a joke. Look at your own country. How long is the US going to hold on to the last vestiges of our freedom? The time is running out. Ukraine gets no “freedom” either way.

Democracy is not freedom. So what you get to vote when the choices you have are cut from the same cloth?

[Bobalu]

Good post my FRiend.

[Viennacon]

“Democracy is not freedom”

Obama is the poster child for this statement. How could rubes vote for him TWICE!

[satan]

In 1988 the USS Vincennes, a guided missile cruiser, entered Iranian territorial waters and spotted an aircraft that it thought was an Iranian F-14 fighter plane. However, it was actually a civilian Iran Air Airbus A300, flying over Iran’s territorial waters on its regular route from Tehran to Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. The Vincennes fired a surface-to-air missile that destroyed the plane, killing all 290 onboard. Under a 1996 agreement at the International Court of Justice, the U.S. agreed to pay Iran $61.8 million.

[Sacajaweau]

Has Obama said boo about the Christians killed in Iraq by ISIS? Not a peep.

And likely with our weapons........

Then there's the rebels in Syria which we support that are killing Christians. Not a peep.

[crazycat]

Well spotted.

The EU with US help destabilised the Ukraine and now we see the consequences.

Ukraine is a democratic mess, the Western half with the largest population wants to join the west, but the Eastern half does not, hence the problem....The best solution would be to split it in half.

[cripplecreek]

I’m all for letting the EU and Russia hammer this one out on their own with no input from us. We have our own problems to deal with.

[bennowens]

Another fact not reported: BUK missiles shoot thousands of particles to destroy the target. On site there was no evidence of this...perhaps the missile was of US manufacture?

[opentalk]

Good post, explains the media’s coordinated headlines here and in UK

[Agog]

Despite the best efforts of the Russian forces to tamper with the crash site, there remains plenty of evidence that a BUK was the cause of the destruction of MH17. Parts from the plane show multiple hits from the missile’s warhead particles.

[Rockingham]

You suggest that freedom in the West is so beleaguered a cause that the Ukrainians make a poor choice to align themselves with it. The Ukrainians though ought to be accepted as a good judge of their own interests. More important though, the record of history is that the cause of freedom benefits from such alliances in that they tend to foster broad political changes toward freedom in Western countries.

Thus Ronald Reagan's determination to defeat Communism and free Eastern Europe from it was yoked to a determination to renew American freedom domestically. Indeed, for Reagan and his closest supporters, cutting the regulatory and tax burdens on Americans and supporting Solidarity in Poland were both essential to the great cause of freedom. In Britain in the same era, Margaret Thatcher was of a similar frame of mind.

Rejecting lessons drawn from history they ought to know well, some prominent British Conservatives advocate appeasement of Putin and Russia in foreign policy and political defeatism at home instead of embracing the challenges and benefits of advocating freedom as a cause and aiming at its comprehensive revival. If nothing else, they risk persistent haunting and thorough and well deserved handbaggings from the angry spirit of Margaret Thatcher.

[dforest]

Obama advocates freedom nowhere. He subjugates people to who he picks as their leader. Like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Those people thought they were going to get freedom. Boy, were they fooled.Obama still meddles in their business to this day. The corruption is unmistakable. Those people may think they are going to get freedom, but they aren’t going to get freedom.

I have no problem promoting freedom. I wish we had a government that did that here in the US. Instead, they seek to subjugate us to them.

[Rockingham]

Obama is bad news, but you are flat wrong about the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt as being on the side of freedom. They swept into power with the emotion driven election of the Morsi government, but were soon reviled by the Egyptian public due to their incompetence at essential governing tasks like providing basic law and order, for their corruption, and for their Islamic extremism.

The result was a popular uprising that swept the Egyptian military into power, with retired General Al-Sisi then elected as President. For the average Egyptian, that provided a restoration of law and order, for Egypt's persecuted Coptic Christians it meant a curbing of Muslim Brotherhood inspired mob attacks against them, and for Israel, it meant a shutdown of the Hamas smuggling tunnels into Gaza. Those are all good things that make the Al-Sisi government more compatible with freedom and Western interests than the former Muslim Brotherhood government.

[Sam Gamgee]

Sadly Russia is still in possession of over 8000 nuclear weapons, so indeed all out war is not an option. How about we designate Russia as an official adversary and forbid US companies from doing business with Russia? Do all we can to isolate Russia. Kick them out of the G8. Their demographic suicide will doom them as a nation soon but in the meantime....

[dforest]

I never said that the Muslim Brotherhood is on the side of freedom. The Muslim brotherhood are Obama’s guys. The people there managed to defy Obama’s choice for them. Egypt hates Obama. Can’t blame them at all.

I would hope Ukraine doesn’t want this fate either.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3183616/posts

[Rockingham]

Due to historical experience with Ottoman rule and the nearby example today of Turkey, the nations of Eastern Europe tend to have few illusions about the nature of Islam. As far as I can tell, the only Muslims actively involved in Ukraine's troubles today are Chechens hired by Russia as mercenaries and posing as Russian separatists.

[melsec]

Better late than never!

[dforest]

Very true.

[Teacher317]

Occam’s Razor