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The Coming Crash in Ammunition Prices
Gun Watch ^ | 7 June, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 06/08/2014 4:00:42 AM PDT by marktwain


The Obama caused bubble in ammunition prices seems ready to bust.   Over the last few years people have seen ammunition prices double or triple.  Handgun and rifle ammunition has been hard to find at times.   .22 long rifle ammunition tripled in price over the last 18 months.   People would line up to buy ammunition at prices two and three times the level that they were just two years ago.

All of that is about to change.   Ammunition supply looks as though it is ready to catch up with demand.   Centerfire pistol and rifle cartridges are available on most store shelves.   When I walked into a local Wal-Mart this morning, their were over 30 signs on the ammunition case indicating a rollback of prices by 10-15%.

In classic economic fashion, the bubble was fueled by actions of the Federal government.   Many federal agencies bought enormous quantities of ammunition.  While the quantities were only a small percentage of total production, the raw figures fueled conspiracy theories.  Obama administration actions fueled fear of coming shortages, gun bans, registration of ammunition sales, even potential low level warfare.  All of this led to the current bubble of ammunition sales.

In response, the economy reacted the way that free markets are supposed to work.   Ammunition suppliers started running their manufacturing plants day and night, adding additional shifts.   Importers scoured the world markets, trying to buy everything they could to satisfy the insatiable demand.   Foreign manufacturers bumped up their production to try to fill the desire for more and more ammunition.   Ammunition production was at the highest level ever for small arms, short of war.

But unlike during war, this ammunition was not being fired in combat.   Most of it was not being fired at all.   It was being stored against future need.  Very little was actually being used.

There are limits to this sort of demand.   I gave away a couple of thousand .22 rounds to make a point.  A person who only had 37 .22 shells out of a box of 50 is well justified in wanting a thousand or two, or a case of 5,000 "just because".    Once they have the 5,000, their desire for more becomes less.   Then demand drops, likely below pre-bubble levels for a while.

In the meantime, manufactures cannot stop production instantly.  They have orders in the pipeline.  They have supplies coming in that they have no storage space for.   They have employees that they have trained and who they do not want to lay off.   For all these reasons, demand drops suddenly, but supply cannot drop as quickly.   As supply took a while to spin up, it will take a while to spin down.

This means that retailers and wholesalers will be saddled with a glut of merchandise that they cannot sell at the current high prices.   They will have to put it on sale.   Lower prices bring about the expectation that prices will fall even further.   The prices crash.

That is when a prudent person buys what they want, at very good prices.   Demand will not stay at the artificially low prices of the crash.   The new crop of urban, hip, shooters will want to feed their equipment, and the new demand will be higher than it was before the bubble, but it will take a while to settle out.

Metal prices have already fallen from the highs of the bubble.  Copper and lead are far lower than they were.    You will know that the bubble is close to the bottom when you see .22 LR on sale for below 4 cents per round.  At the lowest, we might see .22 cartridges below $10 for 500.

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KEYWORDS: ammunition; banglist; guncontrol; prices
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To: Nifster

I know a few of those type people too. They just continued their fathers love for guns.


81 posted on 06/08/2014 10:25:50 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch

bump


82 posted on 06/08/2014 11:18:20 AM PDT by bayareablues
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To: oldbugleboy

“I visited the local Cabelas on Fri(6/6)morning and NOT a
single box of 22cal. in the store.It’s been like that for
almost 2 years. ?????? When in America has it taken that long for supply to catch up with demand? There has to be other reasons at play!!!”

Supply does not catch up with demand effortlessly, by magic.

Ammunition manufacture is complex, dangerous, and requires machinery so specialized it cannot be used to make anything else; as capital equipment, it is frighteningly costly, made by an ever-shrinking number of factory equipment suppliers who face their own problems in obtaining raw materials, creating a labor force, building factories, and (not least) their own regulatory agencies.

Ammunition profit margins are lower than for any other gun-related product. And all of it applies with even greater force to rimfire ammunition.

oldbugleboy is mistaken in assuming that two years is an unacceptable delay in catching supply up with demand: it has never happened so speedily, not even in wartime.

Anybody who’s attained the slightest familiarity with Allied logistics during WWII will know that the Brits were never able to expand small arms ammunition production beyond a tiny number of highly specialized plants. They fretted constantly that the Luftwaffe would locate these facilities, target them, and put them out of action by air strikes, but it was avoided. Fortunately.

American ammunition production did not improve at a better rate either despite great advantages in slack industrial capacity, assembly-line know-how, raw material stocks, labor force flexibility, and freedom from attack.

Barriers to expansion of ammunition production (and to entry of new producers) in the United States have long been economic and technical, but are becoming increasingly regulatory, legalistic, and bureaucratic. OSHA puts ever tighter workplace rules onto manufacturing firms; EPA conjures up more restrictive regulations week by week.

Mining and smelting of lead, zinc, and copper are highly regulated (to the point where the nation’s last lead smelter recently stopped operating); use, cleanup, and waste disposal are at least as regulated in the workplace (where it all dovetails conveniently with OSHA regulations). Used-lead recovery from shooting ranges is subject to its own burdensome regulatory tangle.

Primer making is very touchy, dealing as it does with primary explosives, the composition of which not only blows up easily, but can be poisonous.

Nitro propellants are less dangerous in and of themselves, but production requires a large number of volatile and corrosive chemicals: nitric acid, sulfuric acid, ether, hydroxides, various solvents. Unpleasant enough that one must avoid breathing fumes and vapors; the safety rules and regulatory compliance paperwork are even worse.

And the legal liability climate has changed radically over the past few generations - more paperwork, more time and effort that must be diverted from production. And insurance costs continue to rise: more and more business-insurance firms are leaving the field of gun and ammunition manufacturing, in preference to facing ever-mounting liability payouts and public condemnation (their own bureaucratic regulatory overlords aren’t too friendly either).

And as if all that wasn’t enough, gun and ammunition makers must operate under the thumb of their own regulatory agency, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Manufacturers large and small, and every level of the industry down to retailers large and small, must comply with every decree BATFE publishes. No gainsaying, no real appeal. Mounting a legal challenge to any particular ruling is possible in theory, but in practice can become so costly and time-consuming that few complainants care to pursue ... ones that do so think long and hard before going forward. And it’s evident to everyone, that a hostile, flippant, unaccountable legal profession (entirely too comfy with the regulatory bureaucracy and elected officials) can negate any success on a whim.

Keeping these real concrete reasons in mind, the gun industry might be less than interested in ramping up production of a commodity enjoying only the thinnest of profit margins, where demand from a fickle, whimsical public might collapse at any moment. And the same reasons have likely given pause to any entrepreneurial hopefuls who might be thinking about setting up in business.

oldbugleboy is free to bring to light any other reasons, if these are not enough.


83 posted on 06/08/2014 11:28:42 AM PDT by schurmann
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To: B4Ranch

I am one of those but I have no where near one hundred guns...and even in my dad’s collection he wasn’t pushing 50.

My claim is that there are very very very few folks who own one hundred or more guns that are not collectors or sellers. And the collectors aren’t firing all of the guns in their collections.


84 posted on 06/08/2014 11:50:00 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster
Are you aware that all ammo becomes less effective with age?

Ammo made in first-world factories is good for at least a half-century.

85 posted on 06/08/2014 12:33:19 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: marktwain
You will know that the bubble is close to the bottom when you see .22 LR on sale for below 4 cents per round.

I'm still waiting for the day I see .22 LR for sale at all.

86 posted on 06/08/2014 12:40:25 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Nifster
So I know four people with over a hundred guns? I also know many people that do not own a gun. I find your belief that people do not own 100 guns to be laughable. My next door neighbor has 12 AR’s for himself. All different and outfitted with different options up to match grade.
My kids got a 22 on their 10th bd. A shotgun on their 12th bd and a bolt action on or around 13 when they could hunt deer. An AR when 16 and a handgun when 18. Two of them went on to be very successful in the US Army and one in the US Navy. Never had an incident with any of them and they are all very responsible guns owners.

I used that article deliberately to point out that while gun ownership is allegedly lagging(note there was a ? in that headline) there are more new gun owners than ever. From the article:

There are estimates, however, according to the Geneva-based Small Arms Survey – the leading source of international public information about firearms – the U.S. has the best-armed civilian population in the world, with an estimated 270 million total guns. That’s an average of 89 firearms for every 100 residents — far ahead of Yemen, which comes in second with about 55 firearms for every 100 people, or Switzerland, which is third with 46 guns for every 100 people.

That is ALL people, including kids. So if under 18 makes up 24% of the population then there is over one gun for every adult In the US. BTW the 270 million guns is an “agreed upon” number. Many trackers think it could be as high as 500 million.

Do an exercise. Think of 50 people you know and check each one that you think or know owns a gun. I bet you don't even get to half.

The day is coming fast when every wise family will be wanting a few more guns

87 posted on 06/08/2014 2:11:02 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

You still haven’t told me anyone that has over a hundred guns. You told me about someone with 12 ARs....that is a huge way from 100. I called BS on your knowing four who own over a hundred each.

I suspect you like to ‘sweeten’ a story or an argument to make it seem extra special. IF you bothered to actually read my posts I am not only pro gun I own guns..... note the multiple. I am not interested in taking others gun rights away in any fashion. All I did was call BS when I read it.


88 posted on 06/08/2014 3:09:55 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: mad_as_he$$

And by the way where I live EVERY household has multiple guns....

your use of statistics that are ‘estimates’ at best is dishonest at a minimum and meaningless in the extreme


89 posted on 06/08/2014 3:11:19 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: mad_as_he$$

This month or next will be a record 100 million NICS checks ran since Zero and the liberal fascist cabal have been squatting in the White Hut.


90 posted on 06/08/2014 3:36:11 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: Nifster

I checked the ballistics in ammunition I have that was manufactured in the 1950s. It’s still doing damn near 2800 fps at the muzzle according to my chronograph. It’s over 60 years old and still meets specs. And that’s Russian 7.62 x 54r ammo straight out of the spam can.

Properly stored ammunition will last almost for a very, very long time with no ill effects at all.


91 posted on 06/08/2014 3:41:54 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: varmintman

http://www.outdoorhub.com/stories/video-have-you-ever-wondered-how-rimfire-ammunition-is-made/


92 posted on 06/08/2014 4:14:02 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: marktwain
While the quantities were only a small percentage of total production, the raw figures fueled conspiracy theories

why is it that whenever people figure out what's going on and talk about it, they're called conspiracy theorists? / rhetorical

93 posted on 06/08/2014 4:18:12 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Shelf life is a long time on most factory ammo.

Some reloads not quite so much, depending on what type of bullet and lube is used.


94 posted on 06/08/2014 6:26:07 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

A lot of young people turn their nose up on 30-30. Velocity is slow, but with 170 gr bullet it is real effective hog & deer load.

Way more knockdown than a lot of the lighter high speed ammo.

And always before, you could find ammo anywhere. Not that way the past 2 years.


95 posted on 06/08/2014 6:28:58 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Nifster

“Since when should a family of four have 20 guns??? You live in a very very strange world”

Every person competent to should have a .22, pistol, scoped bolt rifle, suppressed semi auto carbine, and shotgun.
And a _reserve_ of 1000 rounds for each gun.
No, that’s not weird.
Different tools for different jobs. And everyone having their own tools.


96 posted on 06/08/2014 8:17:52 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: Nifster
You seem to be able to determine the needs of others. Your all knowing aren't you. I think you don't need oxygen. I also think you need to find another forum. 5 per family member is low for some and high for others. I think everyone needs fully automatic silenced anything they want. I also think people need to mind their own f’in business.

3 males, 2 females. We have plenty of firearms but want more. Needs got nothing to do with it.

Deer rifle (big cal)
Deer rifle (small cal)
Shot gun ( 20 and 12)
22 rifle
22 pistol
Pistol full size
Cc pistol

Then u get into the fun guns.

More than 5 dumb ass.

97 posted on 06/08/2014 9:22:54 PM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: wgmalabama

And just so we are clear that’s per person. Starts at 7 with a 22’ 8 it’s a pump 20’ 12 it’s small cal dear rifle, 13 pump or auto 12 shot gun. They start picking. Breaks my heart when they go auto. 14 big cal dear rifle.. ....

Hs graduation one got an am just to have one. I got a browning shotgun on valentines day from my lovely bride. She fell in love with my sons m&pc 9 mm so she was so happy when anniversary came. ...... ARs, more pistols, lever actions,

I have my single shit 20 ga from when I was a boy. I have my dad’s first shot gun (16 gauge). I have an old double barrel scatter gun my grandfather had. I need those family treasures. I need my god given rights.

I guess no one needs a farm with their own shooting range. I do.

I don’t get the need comment. Very progressive on your part.


98 posted on 06/08/2014 9:38:00 PM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: ctdonath2

You used the key word competent .... And I prefer my 9mm thanks


99 posted on 06/09/2014 1:06:16 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: wgmalabama

You sure lack reading comprehension...I have never once suggested there be a limit on anyone’s gun ownership. I have stated clearly what I own. And your effort to jump on a point that was never made makes you look silly.

So chill your jet and read the entirety of my posts. And breathe before you stroke out


100 posted on 06/09/2014 1:10:22 AM PDT by Nifster
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