Posted on 04/11/2014 7:51:03 PM PDT by ClaytonP
It's a very sad situation when there's opposition between spouses on such a key issue.
Glad y’all are here! You have articulated why men and women must make their own reproductive decisions and butt out of everyone elses’ lives. (And they criticize the liberals who think they know what’s best for all of the unwashed masses.)
What I was getting at was that they could have dumped those guys while they still had all of their internal organs. They’re both very attractive and charismatic women. There must be some redeeming value in those two guys. It’s their business.
It’s one thing to affirm that people need to use their own judgment, and that individual decisions should enjoy (so to speak) a presumption of respect.
On the other hand, at the aggregate, societal level, the mass result of individual decisions not to have children is a below-replacement birthrate.
I don’t mind saying, “You have to make your own decisions.” However, I want to add, “But stop complaining about how awful Mexicans and their children are.” If you read any history, you’ll see that good real estate is in demand, and if one ethnic/national group doesn’t fill it, another will.
I agree, but I'm thinking about the pain. Since I walk around in public with a vanload of children, people talk to me about their reproductive decisions, unsolicited.
I get a lot of "My husband got fixed without telling me," and "My husband wouldn't have more," details unspecified, and an occasional (25%, maybe), "I wanted more but my wife wouldn't."
Spouses are hurting one another, and I feel bad for them, even if it's not my business to decide what was right for them.
I also hear from people who wanted children, or wanted more, and couldn't have them for medical reasons. I never cease to be grateful for my astoundingly good health!
Exactly! I love hearing about your beautiful, precious, fun family, and am so happy that you share these times with us! Whatever way the demographics go, they’ll go. This is without the scope of my control. I chose to have no more children than I could support. Then, the choice was removed. So be it. The Creator has guided me throughout my life; He won’t stop now. And, with that, I wish you good night and sweet dreams....
A couple of things jump out about our current demographic decline.
Marrying young and having children young is best for the genetic health of the children and for the health of the mother. Our society is at war with this for reasons other than the ideal for the children. Yes, economically speaking, waiting would provide more monetary stability. But, the waiting is really more for girls to go to college and then following through with the career to justify the expenditure.
In the meantime, young amorous males at the peak of their reproductive ability are out there horndogging around, picking up bad habits and worse. Presumptions of sexual equality demand that girls do the same. Not a good recipe for even a successful marriage at any point in life, let alone bringing children into it.
Males are severely disadvantaged both legally and economically by the courts in any divorce situation, which occurs what, about half the time? Bad odds, bad bet in general for men, and so marriage is declining.
Fatherhood regardless of marital status is severely disadvantaged legally and economically by the courts as well, so, yep, decline there too, among educated taxpaying males at least. Uneducated males on public assistance are another matter. They’re not held to the same standard and are not thrown into indentured servitude or what is tantamount to debtor’s prison for failing to provide draconian child support.
There are a lot of factors playing into this, self-centered lifestyle choices of women are only a part of it.
Indeed, in the big picture, what happens is what happens. I just hope our “Big Picture” doesn’t look like what’s happening in Ukraine. We’re fortunate that we don’t have a much more powerful contiguous neighbor.
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