The Terrible Truth About Abraham Lincoln and the Confederate War

Snap Out of it, America! ^ | 1/20/14 | Michael Hutcheson

[moehoward]

"Oh, shut up."

BWHAAAAAhahahhhaaaaa.

[AllAmericanGirl44]

bkmk

[kalee]

Placemarker

[rockrr]

Thanks for the link.

The solidest fact is the one that is irrefutable by virtue of being independently and credibly verified. As I’m sure you’re aware, even commonly known resources on the Internet have somewhat dubious credibility. Take Wikipedia for example. It’s quick but in some areas the information is suspect because it’s posted by partisans.

At this Listverse link we have someone presenting a variety of assertions. A lot of what she claims is common knowledge but many are not. And the fact that none if it is sourced is problematic.

This claim of equal pay for example. I can’t find a reference for it anywhere else. I’m not saying that it categorically isn’t true but without verification I find it suspect. I will continue to seek independent verification because I find the assertion interesting.

[Cvengr]

The more I’ve studied Church History, British history, and more recently slavery and indentured servitude, the less judgmental I am of either side in the War.

In the 1500s, the New World was being explored. In the 1600s, adequate technology existed for the poorest people to migrate here when times were desperate in the Old World.

Slavery and indentured servitude and peonage all became legitimately integrated into commerce throughout this new world frontier in the 1600s.

It continued for a couple of centuries until population densities came to equilibrium with the Old World.

It naturally began to fade away mid 1800s throughout the western world. It took several generations for its removal to reach an equilibrium economically and socially.

Today the buzzword is “Human Trafficking”, but this seems to be a method to identify the transition between Communist isolation to an open world competition as individuals again may shift national identities.

What will be the buzzword to transition from international oligopoly controlled economies back to free market competition for individual workers?

[central_va]

He’s not the only one, but I’ve learned to ignore your childish rants.

[This I Wonder32460]

You mean “won” not “on”, right?

[PeaRidge]

"Was the south taxed or tariffed(sic)?...No they weren't. They opposed the high tariff on foreign goods and got their way to have it lowered in the 1850s."

So, your knowledge ends in the 1850s?

[Partisan Gunslinger]

“Um, didn’t the south start it?” Actually, no. If you recall your history (but then, maybe you don’t), first Buchanan, and then Lincoln attempted to send reinforcements and supplies to Fort Sumter (after Fort Moultrie was evacualted because it was less defensible than Sumter). That, in itself was an act of aggression towards South Carolina, which had already seceded. South Carolina fired on Sumter to prevent the reinforcement and resupply of a hostile military reservation in its own harbor (i.e., Charleston Harbor). Look at it this way: Who would be the aggressor? North Vietnam for sending troops and supplies to a fort it occupied in South Vietnam, and refused to relinquish after North Vietnam and South Vietnam split; or South Vietnam for firing artillery to stop that reinforcement and resupply? In that scenario I would argue that North Vietnam initiated the conflict, and thus was the initial aggressor.

The United States built these forts to protect the inlets. Sumter was not on state soil and so since the fort and the island was built and owned by the Federal Government they had the duty to keep it supplied to protect against foreign invasion and to keep river commerce going.

[central_va]

Federal Government they had the duty to keep it supplied to protect against foreign invasion and to keep river commerce going.

We're from the Government and we are here to help you.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

Of course the south did. The sout SOS, Toombs argued against firing on the fort. If they had not, things would have been much different. Slavery was a great evil. Freeing the slaves would have changed a severely tainted cause and turned it into a moral and just cause.

And what would have been the cause? There was nothing else.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

South Carolina wasn’t so intimidated by Lincoln.

That was a mistake, huh?

[Partisan Gunslinger]

Because I hate communism I’d of course side with the US.

But you don't hate slavery?

[Partisan Gunslinger]

There is no excuse for tyranny,...

Isn't slavery tyranny?

[Partisan Gunslinger]

Yea, we know how well the yankees have handled things in D.C.

FDR never lost a southern state. Carter and Clinton, from the south.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

Better for the South. The North, without the South, would be completely communist by now.

The south gave us FDR! He never lost a southern state. Song of the South, they still love him. lol

[Georgia Girl 2]

“So, your knowledge ends in the 1850s?”

Bwahahaha! Good one!

He asked me why the South didn’t build their own ships. Apparently his history lessons ended in 6th grade. He doesn’t even have a grasp of the reason the South was so upset about the Cotton tariff because he didn’t even know that:

1. All exports had to be on American built ships.

2. The ship building ports and industry were in New England

3. 65% of all the exports in the US at that time were
Southern cotton and it was all sent up to Northern
ports and shipped out of NY because all
the ships were in the North and the North
realized about 40 cents out of every dollar on the
deal.

But the war started over slavery.

These civil war trolls about 3 of them come on every thread. I think they are high school kids or something. Or all three are one as they say the same stuff over and over. Its like its been written out on note cards. :-)

[Partisan Gunslinger]

Better for the South. The North, without the South, would be completely communist by now.

Yep, laptop buttons don't register as well as as desktop.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

So, your knowledge ends in the 1850s?

Huh?

[Georgia Girl 2]

So, out of school for a snow day I see. :-)