Posted on 01/20/2014 1:42:16 PM PST by mhutcheson
“The fort belonged to the federal government. It didn’t matter where it was located.”
Of course, you have no problem at all then with the US maintaining control of Guantanamo; and you hold the view that Cuba would have no right at all to fire on Guantanamo, or try to interfere with its operation. The ONLY reason Cuba does not attack Guantanamo is because we would kick Cuba’s ass. South Carolina wasn’t so intimidated by Lincoln.
If the CSA hadn’t fired on Ft Sumter would Lincoln have been able to deploy troops to punish them?
I think if the CSA had merely ignored the presence of this fort and the authority of Lincoln’s government the dispute might’ve been settled without a war.
It was only the overt act of attacking Ft Sumter that allowed Lincoln to cast the CSA as the aggressors. Without this I doubt that the citizens of the north would’ve been willing to go to war.
I’m sorry; it’s facts like these which the liberal posters here just refuse to see.
Oh, my mistake. I thought you said: “Good God, man; if you can’t get the basic term correct please cease making any comment relative thereto.”
Your observation is one that has tortured the American soul for 150 years. “What if’s” can be as tragic — or even more tragic — than the original question.
If Cuba did attack the U.S. base at Gitmo whose side would you take?
Right! That’s exactly what I said! If you can’t properly use the term or terms you think you have to use to make your point, STOP before you make a hash of your point and an ass of yourself.
Lincoln wasn’t honorable, he was a ruthless tyrant who wrongly imprisoned people for daring to publicly express opposition to the war. If Obama did the things that Lincoln did, you would be yelling for his head.
Perhaps they should have been.
The CW has been over for 150 years and people are still fighting it; on both sides they push their arguments. The media yells that Bengazi is old news. More knowledgeable historians have pummled the CW for years. I'm out of it.
Reparations for slavery?
When a black woman is one of the richest people in America?
When a black man was Secretary of State??
When a black woman was Secretary of State?
When black men have sat -- and do sit -- on the Supreme Court??
When a black would-be despot sits in the White House?????
When countless black men have risen to the top of the ranks of the richest in professional sports and show business?? Men like Hank Aaron. Men like Bill Cosby who... (Never mind. As we all know, Bill's either an Uncle Tom or Oreo Cookie, depending on which black race pimp you listen to.)
And, how about Liberation Theology?
Liberation from WHAT? The chance to achieve and succeed??
Give me a break!!
Let me make it clear right up front: I am NOT a racist. I supported Herman Cain in his run for the Senate and supported him in his run for the WH. And if Allen West goes for it, he, too, has my support.
I also consider Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams two of the finest economists and minds extant today. In case you don’t know them, both are black.
Sowell, Williams and Cain – among others -- have spoken out against those fellow blacks who castigate and vilify America for a slavery now long in our past. And ALL thinking men and women oppose the periodic calls for reparations. (When he ran, I supported Alan Keyes. I even spoke in his stead on the RTKABA at a Capitol rally and was asked to fill in for him on his radio show at the time. Sadly, while I still consider Alan a good man, I have had to rethink my support since he came out FOR reparations.)
The fact is that the modern descendants of slaves brought here in chains in admittedly miserable, soul-gutting conditions now calling for reparations need to remember something:
They should not only be glad to be in America, they should be glad to be ANYWHERE!
Had their ancestors NOT been brought OUT of Africa – many by Muslim slave raiders --the blood of those ancestors would have run into the earth over there several centuries ago, victims of the OTHER black tribes that captured them in one of the interminable tribal conflicts STILL ravaging that sad continent and these modern day would-be "plaintiffs" would not even exist.
And I would remind you that slavery is STILL practiced in parts of Africa (mainly by – American BLACK muslims LISTEN UP!! -- MUSLIMS) and Asia today. How ironic that disgruntled American blacks are embracing a system that participated mightily in their initial bondage – and would, if Islam takes root here, probably put any who cling to their Christianity back INTO BONDAGE – or to the sword. In fact, as the majority of muslims consider black folks as “sub-human”, many of you black muzzies will get the axe.
95% of the African slaves who were transported across the Atlantic went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions, and that less than 5% of the slaves who crossed the Atlantic went to the United States, it was remarkable that the vast majority of academic research, films, books and articles concerning the slave trade concentrated only on the American involvement, as though slavery was a uniquely American aberration.
And should the great-great-great grandchildren of SLAVE OWNING BLACKS also be subject to PAYING these reparations? If so, how do we find THEM?
And I have traced MY family back to the SLAVS. Although the term looks to be related to “slave,” depending on your source, it either means “glory” or “worshipper.” But my family research indicates that many of my of my ancestors LIVED lives of virtual slavery to some despot or other. Do I qualify for reparations? From whom?? And it begs a question: Are most of us now living here headed into a modern form off that servitude? But that’s a topic for another discussion.
The official US Census of 1830 lists 3,775 free blacks who owned 12,740 black slaves. Furthermore, the story outlines the history of slavery here, and the first slave owner, the Father of American slavery, was Mr Anthony Johnson, of Northampton, Virginia. His slave was John Casor, the first slave for life. Both were black Africans. The story is very readable, and outlines cases of free black women owning their husbands, free black parents selling their children into slavery to white owners, and absentee free black slave owners, who leased their slaves to plantation owners. -"Selling Poor Steven", American Heritage Magazine, Feb/Mar 1993 (Vol. 441) p 90
Of course, a full telling of Black History would not be complete without a recitation of the origin of slavery in the Virginia colony: Virginia, Guide to The Old Dominion, WPA Writers' Program, Oxford University Press, NY, 1940, p. 378
A few more salient points on the subject:
Until the US declared independence, the Colonies were REQUIRED by the King of England to embrace slavery.
The Northwest Ordinance (1789) prohibited slavery in federal territories.
A law prohibiting the importation of slaves into the US became effective in 1808.
Beginning in 1820, the Democratic Congress started passing laws allowing and encouraging slavery.
It was only after the Republican Party (many of whom were southern Blacks) was formed some 40 years later that the anti-slavery movement was able to move forward.
And the holier-than-thou Northern liberals are strangely silent on recent archeological evidence from NEW YORK CITY clearly tracing the financing of the slave trade to NORTHERN BUSINESSMEN!!
At the height of his remarkable boxing career, Muhammad Ali (born Cassius Clay), once declared, “I’m glad my great-grandpa got on that boat.”
And speaking of ancestors, my paternal grandmother’s daddy joined with the 80th Ohio Volunteer Infantry early in the War Between the States (re-upped twice) and fought on the Union side at Chickamauga, Vicksburg, Jackson then joined up with Sherman for that infamous march to the sea through Georgia. My wife’s great-great grandpappy ALSO fought for the Union. While I revere the memory of my ancestors, inasmuch as that conflict was less about slavery than it was the economic exploitation and abuse of the South by the North, I fear they MAY have been on the wrong side.
Author Robert Hitt Neill tells of attending a Tennessee Mountain Writer’s Conference years ago with several other authors. Among them was Alex Hailey, celebrated author of “Roots.” Watching a TV news show, a group of them watched a demonstration in a Southern state against the “Rebel” flag incorporated into that state’s flag. The very next report covered a famine in Africa. Graphic images showed dead bodies, starving children with distended tummies and runny noses and dying people covered with flies, too weak to brush them away.
Mr. Hailey intoned in a low, serious voice, “Every time an American black sees a story like that, they should find a Confederate flag and kiss it.” He then pointed to the TV screen and continued, “Because these would be me and my descendants, except for American slavery. I thank God that my family and I are here instead of there.”
Next problem!
Dick Bachert
AFTERWORD:
A few additional facts on the subject:
Until the US declared independence, we were required by the King of England to embrace slavery.
The Northwest Ordinance (1789) prohibited slavery in federal territories.
A law prohibiting the importation of slaves into the US became effective in 1808.
Beginning in 1820, the Democratic Congress started passing laws allowing and encouraging slavery.
It was only after the Republican Party (many of whom were southern Blacks) was formed some 40 years later that the anti-slavery movement was able to move forward.
“If Cuba did attack the U.S. base at Gitmo whose side would you take?”
Because I hate communism I’d of course side with the US. But I also think our occupation of Guantanamo is illegal since Cuba cancelled the lease, which it had evey right to do.
I didn't know he had done that. Very disappointing.
Haha! I was being sarcastic. If you can’t handle a little misuse of language, how are you going to deal with people who actually hate the Constitution? Get over it. And, stop acting like a big ole girl.
Lincoln did what he had to do.
So, will you be among those that someday say “Obama did what he had to do?”
There is no excuse for tyranny, for ignoring the Constitution and only those who stand to gain will readily agree to do what he had to do.
I couldn’t read the whole thing; I was becoming nauseous. What I take away from the first few paragraphs, though, is that if the south had not seceded and then fired on Ft. Sumpter and started a war, everything would be hunky-dory! They’d still have their “peculiar institution” and they’d all be as happy as a clam.....except for the blacks, of course.
Where has this genius BEEN all these years?! I spent 4 years in the U.S. Military, much of it with southern guys; and because of the type of work we did, nearly all of them had had some college before enlisting, and many of them were graduates; and I NEVER heard a one of them come off with ANY of the drivel THIS guy is spewing. There were frequent debates and latrine arguments among us GIs, but none of that “overtaxed” baloney or anything else ever came up.
I have read dozens of books on all aspects of the Civil War; and seen numerous movies, documentaries, etc. about it, and I don’t recall ever hearing this stuff. Where has all this information been buried all these years?
It never fails to amuse me - people who are apologists for a treasonous rebellion who crapped all over the US Constitution yet condemn a man who took liberties with it in order to defend and protect our nation.
Some sarcasm. You need to go back to school and learn what it actually is.
How many of the Southeners who fought actually held slaves? I suspect damn few if any other than a few self appointed high ranking Officers.
So what other than their liberty and freedom inspired all those? Can anyone explain that?
“I have read dozens of books on all aspects of the Civil War; and seen numerous movies, documentaries, etc. about it, and I don’t recall ever hearing this stuff. Where has all this information been buried all these years?”
Exactly my point; the genocide, the terrible war crimes, the imprisonment of editorial writers without trial, or even charge, is ignored by the film makers and historians. Now-—you sound like a reasonable person-—so I challenge you to refute a single fact laid out in my article. Do your own research. Come to see the light. Try the book mentioned in the essay, as well as “When In the Course of Human Events” by Adams, a northern historian (Rowman and Littlefield) and “The Real Lincoln” by DiLorenzo (Three Rivers Press).
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