Posted on 12/14/2013 2:56:27 PM PST by InHisService
Not just doubt. I don’t think we’re in the last days at all. If you’re so sure take your savings and give it all to charity.
So you think God is angered by a decorated mantle and a Christmas tree? Really? That thought is so goofy in do many ways....I can’t really respond . It would be like debating a wack job on the subway.
I don’t know if stuff like that makes Baby Jesus cry, but it makes me sad.
The 'course of Abia or Abijah' is the time signature as to when the miraculous conception of John the Baptist took place. On or about the 23rd of Sivan or June 23-24 by our calendar. Six months later the Divine Conception of our Lord and Savior took place.
Peoples during the course of history have had a must need to muss with dates and times to fit their traditions.
As a historical note taxes and census taking did not take place in the 'dead' of winter, but at the end of harvest. That would be around the Feast of Tabernacles, and the literal time of the year Christ was birthed. It is really toooo bad and sad how much modern Christianity ignores the so called Old Testament.
No kidding. You would think the Alamo would have been built further away from a population center.
Strange; the TEXT does not say that.
'The way' was not the problem; other GODS were.
Yes; but only for the rest of you.
OOOoooh!
I had THOUGHT I felt a channeling coming on!!
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Ah!!
I did not look that up; as I thought it was referring to some genealogical data.
THANKS!
Here ya go, Folks!!
The way was indeed the problem. Verse 31 would make no sense if that wasn’t the meaning.
31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God
He was saying to not look at how they served their gods and do those same things in serving Him. Your view would be in contrast to every commentator I have read. Some English versions make that a little clearer.
NLT: You must not worship the LORD your God the way the other nations worship their gods
ESV: You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way
NAS: "You shall not behave thus toward the LORD your God,
ISV: You must not do the same to the LORD your God
16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, 19and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God. -Colossians 2
I was a Fiji. About the only time you see it in the US if it’s not refering to the islands is the fraternity. ;-) Strange they are no longer at Occidental. Something happen? Were they bad boys?
LOL Is that what you have been taught that true believers should do as they see prophesy unfolding as regards the last days? Is there scriptural reference for that belief?
Apparently, it's about somebody named Kirchoff.
Deuteronomy 12:30
Colossians 2:
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
What were the “ordinances that was against us”? Weren’t they the laws and rules and rituals that we are told no one would have been able to keep? Weren’t they just a shadow of things to come? Christ took those all “out of the way, nailing it to his cross”. We are no longer under those laws, ordinances, and commanded holy days. No longer under the dietary laws, the watching for the new moon to ascertain when to celebrate holy days like the Old Testament Jews.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
No man is to hold us to those days any longer because those were only a “shadow of things to come”. The body is now “of Christ” who fulfilled all those “shadows”.
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Jesus took that law of ordinances out of the way. That law was a yoke of condemnation to the Jews and a partition wall to the Gentiles. We are no longer subjected to the following of Sabbaths, or holy days which were “shadows”. The days we set aside to worship are no longer guided by those laws but can be set at any time.
That passage is Paul telling the Colossians that they need be made to feel subjected to the ordinances that the Jews were trying to force them back under. Christ set us free from those laws and ordinances.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
NO WHERE in that passage does it say we are free to take on the customs and rituals of the pagans which had long ago been condemned by God.
Yes, they were bad boys, in a way. In 1969, when I was a freshman, I visited several fraternities during the Fraternity Rush, thinking I might like to join one. Fraternities weren't as dominant at Occidental as they were at, say, USC, where I got my first master's degree. There were four fraternities, three of which tended to attract jocks, but the Fijis were unique, in that they were seen as hippies. They were also sort of an Animal House and held an annual toga party tht they called a Roman Slaver.
However, before Rush was finished, the Fijis, for some reason, dropped out, and a few weeks later, they were defunct. I never inquired as to what happened, but they probably mismanaged their finances. The Fiji House was turned into a dorm, and today, the alumni center stands on its site. The only fraternities that I wound up joining were Alpha Mu Gamma, the national collegiate foreign language honor society, and Pi Sigma Alpha, the honor society for students of political science.
It’s what I have been trying to say. “Don’t look at how they served their gods and think that you can serve me in the manner they served their gods.
Look at how that chapter ends in verse 32 which simply enforces what He is saying.
32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Even if people today try to claim we are to follow the Old Testament “ordinances” (which Paul clearly denounced in his letter to the Colossians – see my post 317) they would still have to show where God commanded or sanctioned either Christmas or Easter. We are not obligated under the old “ordinances” nor are we to incorporate heathen/pagan practices which He didn't command or sanction.
Good; now we have something to build on.
We both agree that the MANNER has something to do with it.
Now then, does our present MANNER of Christmas celebrating emulate the MANNER of the people who worshiped idols?
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