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House GOP Caves; Told Obama They Will End Shutdown If He Negotiates On Budget, ObamaCare Off Table
Flopping Aces ^ | 10-11-13 | Curt

Posted on 10/11/2013 8:54:21 AM PDT by Starman417

BoehnerJohnCrying1

Time to primary every single one of these a**hats:

House Republicans told Obama at the White House that they could reopen the federal government by early next week if the president and Senate Democrats agree to their debt-ceiling proposal. After the debt ceiling is lifted, a House GOP aide said they would seek some additional concessions in a government funding bill.

Obama repeatedly pressed House Republicans to open the government, asking them “what’s it going to take to” end the shutdown, those sources said. He questioned why the government should remain closed if both sides agreed to engage in good-faith negotiations on the budget, according to a Democratic source briefed on the meeting…

Obama agreed to review the House Republican proposal for reopening the government, but reiterated that he wouldn’t pay a ransom, the Democratic source said.

Obamacare?

Nothing...nada...zip.

The whole reason tea-party groups like Heritage Action were okay with a short-term debt-ceiling hike is because, in theory, it cleared the way to re-focus on stopping ObamaCare by digging in on the shutdown. Instead, evidently, Republicans are ready to end the shutdown for a month or more in order to initiate broader negotiations with the White House. Which means that, contra tea partiers’ wishes, discussions over the shutdown and the debt ceiling will end up being “merged” after all. Which in turn means defunding/delaying ObamaCare, if it’s not off the table already, is likely headed for the shelf as the parties focus on deficit reduction instead.

The RINO's have caved and now what do we get in return?

In exchange, they sought a commitment by the president to negotiate a deal for long-term deficit reduction and a tax overhaul.

A commitment to negotiate.

Just when you thought the RINO's couldn't get more spineless they surprise you.

And now we got Boehner to negotiate a budget deal once more. It worked out quite well a few years ago:

(Excerpt) Read more at floppingaces.net...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: boehner; cantor; obama; obamacare
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To: Starman417

All this tortured twisting and churning for absolutely nothing. It is no different than 2011. It never will be as long as Boehnor and McConnell are in the leadership.


51 posted on 10/11/2013 9:24:53 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

That’s the idea overload the system collapse call in marshal law and shiitehead becomes king. Cloward and piven.

Start calling boner. Anyone else we start a petition to remove them. I am sure people will sign it now!

and as for this argument about the second amendment being for hunting...IT IS!!!

IT’S FOR HUNTING POLITICIANS AND TRAITORS!

Million gun march on washington.


52 posted on 10/11/2013 9:26:04 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Starman417

They are part of the problem not the solution. They need to be replaced. ASAP


53 posted on 10/11/2013 9:26:26 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (Er.)
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To: Rational Thought
...I would also vote for their Democrat opponent if they make it to the general.

Could I suggest not voting at all rather than vote for their opponent? I think the total number of votes cast going down would send a more poignant message.

54 posted on 10/11/2013 9:26:27 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: trubolotta
There is a certain battered wife syndrome out there. No matter how bad the GOP treats their 'base', people will still vote for them and defend them.
55 posted on 10/11/2013 9:26:36 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Starman417
Gomert on Beck’s show today, just before noon EST, saying that Boehner is now in a meeting with Obama, and is “giving up on 98-99% of Obamacare, so they [RINOs] can say that they got something from Obama.”

So yeah, the cave is in progress.

I guess the NBC/WSJ Rush is talking about spooked them.

As Beck says, it's time to defund the GOP. Tea Party candidates only. No Collaborators need apply.

56 posted on 10/11/2013 9:26:40 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: The Antiyuppie

And unlike the GOP they [Dems] are willing to use any means necessary to win.

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That is a cold, hard statement of fact. To Dems, politics is bloodsport. The ends justifies the means. Lie, cheat, steal. Whatever it takes.

Republicans seem to be incapable of understanding their adversary. I suspect that the Dems must marvel over this.


57 posted on 10/11/2013 9:26:54 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: kabar

AP is reporting “spending cuts” are the cover the Tan Man is asking for from Dear Leader to end the shut down.


58 posted on 10/11/2013 9:27:30 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Steve_Seattle
Let Obamacare collapse under its own weight.

What does this MEAN?

There has to be a MECHANISM.

Has any government program ever "collapsed under its own weight"? No. I guess we'll just have to wait until the whole thing comes crashing down.

59 posted on 10/11/2013 9:28:23 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Starman417

Wait until the GOP sees their approval rating now.


60 posted on 10/11/2013 9:28:47 AM PDT by BO Stinkss (Democrats own every single ghetto in America - Just a thought.....)
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To: trubolotta

I truly believe this is part of the GOPe strategy where they think conservatives will leave the Republican Party to their control yet still vote Republican in the general elections. We need to prove them wrong and take the fight to the primaries at EVERY level of government, leaving them with no choice in the general elections.


Yes, I believe they will still count on our vote.

Won’t happen. I’ll never vote for a democrat. Need I say I consider all RINOS to be democrats themselves?


61 posted on 10/11/2013 9:29:22 AM PDT by KittenClaws ( You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I guess the NBC/WSJ Rush is talking about spooked them. As Beck says, it’s time to defund the GOP. Tea Party candidates only. No Collaborators need apply.

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This was the poll the GOPe was waiting for. It provided the long awaited excuse/cover they needed.

DEFUND THE GOP. Not one dime for the party of appeasement.


62 posted on 10/11/2013 9:32:12 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starman417
Wonderful... the gullible Republican Congressmen have offered yet ANOTHER lose/lose, front-loaded deal to “O”!

Call this negotiating??!!

These f*&^s couldn't score in a women's prison with a handful of pardons!

63 posted on 10/11/2013 9:32:18 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: originalbuckeye

Obama said he would talk after he gets what he wants. Fact.


64 posted on 10/11/2013 9:33:15 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: lodi90

The markets are indicating that some type of deal (i.e., cave) is close at hand. DOW up nearly 90 points.


65 posted on 10/11/2013 9:34:05 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

This is true, and sadly it may require the GOP to go the way of the Whigs and be reborn before we’ll see it improve.


66 posted on 10/11/2013 9:35:09 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: MaxMax

Now that getting your way. He beat the crap out of the hapless Pubbies.

But then again they’re not much of an “adversary”. Its like an adult taking a toy from a baby.


67 posted on 10/11/2013 9:36:13 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: kabar
The RINO EStablishment has actually very little to worry about, in their opinion anyway..

They are the recumbents in seats that are quite safe, for the most part because of various demographic factors. About 30% of America still comprises districts in which the Latino-Black-Single MOM-LGBT-Youth-Bureaucrap-Publicly Subsidized-SEIUMember-and other random freebiesucker coalitions amongs us are not in the majority.

Excellent case in point: Boehner's District in Ohio, in which the blue-haired retirees and their surviving spouses still automatically vote Republican and think Eisenhower may still be President, but are not sure.

The people who represent these reliable voters are in it for the money, the perks, and the pork. The country is the last thing on their minds. They made their deal with Democrats two generations ago and it still pays well.

68 posted on 10/11/2013 9:36:37 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( "Obama, The Movie" Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica! ")
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To: Cyber Liberty

GOP is such a sullied brand at this point, nobody will buy the product anymore. It will go the way of all failed products. People expect a lot more for their money.


69 posted on 10/11/2013 9:38:22 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starman417

There goes the economy, and our national security. We are in for one hell of a world of pain. Pain that America has not seen since the civil war. God help us.


70 posted on 10/11/2013 9:38:42 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: trubolotta
I think the total number of votes cast going down would send a more poignant message.

They get a message, but they quite reliably learn the wrong lesson: They think the voters aren't turning out because the candidates aren't "centrist" (read that: "liberal") enough. Voters are "turned off" by "conservative" candidates. This is how we got Romney and McQueeg.

71 posted on 10/11/2013 9:39:49 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Starman417
Here's a gem- I got this in my mailbox about 20 minutes ago:

(Mr. niteowl77),

The Democrats don’t seem to think there’s anything at stake in this shutdown except -- "winning."

A Senior Obama Administration Official was quoted in the Wall Street Journal saying, "We are winning...It doesn't really matter to us how long the shutdown lasts 'because what matters is the end result.'"

House Speaker John Boehner had it exactly right when he responded that "this isn't some damned game." House Republicans have passed dozens of bills to fund people and places affected by the shutdown right now: national parks, children with cancer, almost a million government employees. And every time, Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer block bipartisan votes on this common-sense legislation.

Now we know why – they believe it will benefit them politically.

It's shameful and the American people deserve better. Send a strong message to President Obama, Harry Reid and the Senate Democrats by signing the petition telling them that it is unacceptable to play political games with America's future.

Together we can defeat these partisan games. Please sign now: (url)

___

Together? TOGETHER? TOGETHER?!! Shove it.

Mr. niteowl77

72 posted on 10/11/2013 9:41:22 AM PDT by niteowl77 ("There's nothing a vulture hates more than biting into a glass eye.")
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To: Starboard

There is still hope, unless this rumor of a cave is true. If that happens, you are correct and it’s probably irreversible. It may already be, and I’m just whistling past the graveyard.


73 posted on 10/11/2013 9:41:26 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: niteowl77

Well, I’d have to know who sent that gem over the transom before I tell them to shove it. If it’s RNC, then they do indeed need to go pound sand. They’re blowing smoke up our butts again.

(As an aside, I refuse to “sign” any online “petition.” Ever.)


74 posted on 10/11/2013 9:44:15 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
They think the voters aren't turning out because the candidates aren't "centrist" (read that: "liberal") enough.

I think the GOPe crowd is stupid, but not quite that stupid. Nonetheless, voting for the opponent of a RINO cannot possible do any good. I am not going to vote for the "lesser of two evils" and I sure as hell am not going to vote for evil in protest.

75 posted on 10/11/2013 9:45:39 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: trubolotta

You are 100% correct. I won’t vote for a GD Dem.


76 posted on 10/11/2013 9:46:33 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

I hope you’re right. It looked like the GOP might actually take a stand for once, and I was starting to believe this. But I may have been duped.

I really think that a combination of caving on this particular set of issues (ie. Obamacare, CR, debt ceiling) to THIS president would be the death knell for the party. I don’t think that’s an exaggeration. As the old country song said: “Turn out the lights, the party’s over.”


77 posted on 10/11/2013 9:47:51 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Cyber Liberty

The cave started earlier in the week. Rubio and Paul gave speeches yesterday and didn’t mention obamacare at all. Ryan has been flopping around with some plan. The writing is on the wall, unfortunately.


78 posted on 10/11/2013 9:54:12 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Steve_Seattle

Steve_Seattle wrote: “Let Obamacare collapse under its own weight.”

While that is an interesting sentiment, it’s not likely to happen. It is HIGHLY unlikely that this monstrosity will ever go away if it allowed to take root in the US. It is much more likely that we are witnessing the birth of yet another socialist pogrom that will be tweaked, revised, revamped, adjusted and amended right up to the time of the next revolution; along with all the other rampant socialist pogroms supported on the backs and blood of working Americans dutifully surrendering their earned wealth to be redistributed by the 0bamunists, and their ilk.

Kill it NOW! Don’t allow it to even start!


79 posted on 10/11/2013 9:54:52 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
The NRSC sent it. Here is the link they provided, should hell freeze over:

http://yourvoice.nrsc.org/landing/government-shutdown/

The NRSC hasn't been concerned about "my voice" since about... well, probably never. I've been registered as an independent for a while, but it's nice of the GOP-e surrender monkeys to keep in touch.

Mr. niteowl77

80 posted on 10/11/2013 9:55:25 AM PDT by niteowl77 ("There's nothing a vulture hates more than biting into a glass eye.")
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To: Kenny Bunk

Their day is coming. California is the canary in the coal mine, By 2050 the demographics of the US will look like CA today. We have entered the era of tribal politics. Obama’s reelection in 2012 was the tipping point. Demography is destiny.


81 posted on 10/11/2013 10:00:57 AM PDT by kabar
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To: niteowl77

NRSC? Eff ‘em. I figured it was something like that.


82 posted on 10/11/2013 10:03:09 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Starman417

Aaaaaand Lucy the RINO jerks the football away from Conservative Charlie Brown AGAIN!

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory....


83 posted on 10/11/2013 10:08:42 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: Starman417

We never had the numbers, folks.

And don’t count on Obamacare to “collapse under its own weight.” After another year, regardless of the hardships it’s caused, Americans will be so intensively propagandized they’ll find ways to rationalize that it’s their fate. Shit, they don’t even want to fight it now... what makes us think they’ll have the heart to toss it overboard 12 months from now? Most Americans have become sheep who, with enough persuasion, will believe whatever the democrats and the “media” tell them.


84 posted on 10/11/2013 10:14:11 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: ScottinVA

To continue my earlier post, the House was our last hope. If they’ve caved here, what now?


85 posted on 10/11/2013 10:16:02 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: kabar

I agree. It’s a tough pill to swallow, but we’re morphing into something we’ve never seen before.


86 posted on 10/11/2013 10:17:50 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Steve_Seattle
You mean like Social Security? The EPA? the ATFE after running firearms to a foreign Nation (Mexico)? Like the failed Postal Service,, who simply increases the price of stamps yet again?

I won't hold my breath waiting for the liberals to repeal their 100 year work for social health care in America, or for the liberals to sit by an watch as the socialized health care “collapse under its own weight.”

Never in the history of this government has the liberals repealed a social government handout, even after they watched it fail, e.g. “war of poverty” “war on drugs” etc.!

87 posted on 10/11/2013 10:22:46 AM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: Cyber Liberty
NRSC? Eff ‘em.

Indeed.

I just saw what McCain said about the GOP being at fault. Talk about deserving one another.

Mr. niteowl77

88 posted on 10/11/2013 10:23:13 AM PDT by niteowl77 ("There's nothing a vulture hates more than biting into a glass eye.")
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
"Let Obamacare collapse under its own weight."

What does this MEAN?

It means let it go forward and have the voting public lose their doctors, their existing plans, receive huge premium increases and huge deductibles, and demand that the law be radically changed or repealed.
89 posted on 10/11/2013 10:31:43 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

Radically changed to a single payer system—the ultimate objective after the private insurance companies are decimated.


90 posted on 10/11/2013 10:35:04 AM PDT by kabar
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To: PghBaldy

agree...i just left messages with boehner, foxx, burr and other rep...sll got the message that they are losers and forget my support in future and that Sen Cruz, Sen Lee, and Sen Paul were leaders and not the bad guys. only local rep foxx had a live body answering phone...and guess whatt the intern did...hung up after id myself as life long supporter, rep soon soon to be an ind conservative and that they were losers...we pay their salaries and they hang up on the truth, an opinion og a consituant...they can all go screw themselves...should’ve called the twerp back to tell him but am sure i would on a list somewhere else!!!!!!!


91 posted on 10/11/2013 10:37:22 AM PDT by ldish (Have had enough...you??????)
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To: PghBaldy
Agreements with Obama are worthless. He is not an honorable man.

No kidding. 0 is a Shiite head.

92 posted on 10/11/2013 10:41:16 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Starman417

God, please save me from the fanatics! This blogger complains that they aren’t demanding that 0bamaRobertscare be stopped, delayed or changed. I want all that, too, but the time to have gotten that done was in the 2012 elections.

Unfortuately, so many true-blue conservatives were so busy bitchin’ about the Republican ticket, they didn’t have time to get to the polls and do their duty.


93 posted on 10/11/2013 11:00:10 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: Boonie

So, just give up and roll over... very well then.


94 posted on 10/11/2013 11:04:54 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (I wish I lived in Texas.)
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To: Theoria

“There is a certain battered wife syndrome out there. No matter how bad the GOP treats their ‘base’, people will still vote for them and defend them.”

The GOP doesn’t hit as hard or leave as many marks.


95 posted on 10/11/2013 2:54:07 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: MaxMax

If you believe he will do ANY negotiations after he gets what he wants, I have a bridge that spans the East River in NYC that I would like to sell you.


96 posted on 10/11/2013 5:02:11 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: originalbuckeye

Where did I say that I believed anything Obama said? He’s just sticking it in Boehners eye because the crybaby will fold under pressure. We’re being played by both sides.


97 posted on 10/11/2013 5:12:57 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Starman417

!


98 posted on 10/11/2013 11:06:13 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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