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10 things your kids won’t tell you Fewer people are having kids, and those who do..
MarketWatch ^ | Sept. 22, 2013, 7:50 a.m. EDT | Quentin Fottrell

Posted on 09/22/2013 5:29:16 AM PDT by cunning_fish

1. “I will cost you your dream house.”

Couples thinking about starting a family might want to boost their saving goals. The cost of raising a child from birth to age 17 is higher than the price of the average American home: Middle-income parents spend over $241,000 to raise a child, according to a study released last month by the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion. The median price of a home, in contrast, currently stands at $203,500. And statistics show that, unsurprisingly, the more a family earns, the more they spend on their kids.

There are some economies of scale. The cost per child decreases as the number of children increases—even though the overall cost continues to climb. Families with three or more children spend 22% less per child than those with only two children, as the kids get hand-me-down clothing and toys, help baby-sit, and share bedrooms. Plus, food can be bought in bulk and some child care services offer discounts for more than one child, says Mark Lino, a research economist with the Department of Agriculture. “But you’re better off economically if you have an only child, as most parents only have a set amount of income,” Lino says.

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TOPICS: Education; Government; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: children; kids; mothercare
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1 posted on 09/22/2013 5:29:16 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

I could not read past #2. It breaks my heart that people would make this decision based on money. Dream house trumps children? How can that be right? Children are one of the delights of life.


2 posted on 09/22/2013 5:33:15 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: bboop

Press “Next” right below the article.


3 posted on 09/22/2013 5:35:33 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Look at how many millions in the West buy into this anti-child mentality and are aborting themselves out of existence.


4 posted on 09/22/2013 5:39:20 AM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: cunning_fish

Boy do I hate these “one click per item” websites. What a scummy way to get extra ad income.


5 posted on 09/22/2013 5:39:20 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: bboop

[[Dream house trumps children?]]

Yes, and dream jobs. A female lawyer is not likely to have many children.


6 posted on 09/22/2013 5:39:42 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: cunning_fish

Not surprisingly, the author, Quentin Fottrell, is a militant homosexual abortion activist.


7 posted on 09/22/2013 5:44:46 AM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: iowamark

Only the muslims and the moochers are having multiple babies. The producers are allowing themselves to be bred out of existence.
America does not need China’s one baby rule; our government has cleverly enacted it on a voluntary basis.


8 posted on 09/22/2013 5:45:15 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: cunning_fish

No, I did not mean that I could not figure out how to do it; I could not bring myself to do it, because my heart was heavy. What a terrible article - so materialistic, so void of any sense of mystery or delight in new life.

We have a new beautiful, amazing granddaughter, a surprise (how?) to the young ‘uns who chose to keep the pregnancy under HEAVY urging to get an abortion because they ‘would ruin their lives, not have a chance to finish college, etc.’ She is our delight, and those who urged her murder in utero are also delighted. And the young ‘uns are delighted, too, and stepping up to the plate.

How can people think - Gee, I won’t be able to buy a dream home if I continue with this pregnancy? What is a dream home with no children to fill it?


9 posted on 09/22/2013 5:45:34 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: cunning_fish

The bottom line is most people would never save enough money to have a kid, so these types of articles are simply anti-family.


10 posted on 09/22/2013 5:45:59 AM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: bboop
It breaks my heart that people would make this decision based on money. Dream house trumps children? How can that be right?

When I was a kid, back in the sixties and early seventies, I remember "The Dream" being a big house, eating out at fancy restaurants, belonging to a country club, and driving a caddy. What else could anyone want?

I don't remember my parents promoting it, but I absorbed it from the atmosphere.

It doesn't sound like much has changed, except that we're all poorer, now.

11 posted on 09/22/2013 5:47:27 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: cunning_fish

Unless I overlooked it, the article missed “retirement delayed is retirement denied.” Not long ago, there was an article reporting that many parents are cleaning out their retirement funds to pay for kids’ college expenses. Guess what, they don’t retire and have every intention of dying in place. There is no “discretionary income” when you are raising children.


12 posted on 09/22/2013 5:49:48 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: heye2monn

I wasn’t impressed. All these reasons COULD be valid, but usually aren’t, or it’s illogical to compare. Like the cost of a house and then children. How about the cost of children and the cost of a car? Or the cost of a microwave oven????? That’s cheaper than children too. sheesh.
#3, I’ll Break Your Heart.
Yeah, maybe. If you raise your kids like those parents that are threatening to sue the man who reluctantly exposed their little darlings identities when they TRASHED HIS HOUSE while he was away.
Kids aren’t perfect beings, neither are the parents, but there can be a love that transcends love and passion and what we thought we could accomplish. I’ll always remember this:
“Making the decision to have a child is momentous. It is to decide forever to have your heart go walking around outside your body.” Elizabeth Stone.
I made it all the way to number five before the excrement got too deep.’’


13 posted on 09/22/2013 5:50:23 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Every time a liberal gets pissed off an angel gets their wings.)
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To: bboop

We have a handful, and we have been well to do and poor (thanks to Odumbo & co)

I wouldn’t trade them for the world. Wifey and I will always be “rich” with them in our lives

Libs are miserable selfish people who would never consider the gift of a child as a blessing.


14 posted on 09/22/2013 5:54:44 AM PDT by WomBom ("I read Free Republic for the pictures")
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To: cunning_fish
1. “I will cost you your dream house.”

Who gives a bleeping freep? "Never love anything that can't love you back."

15 posted on 09/22/2013 5:56:06 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Prioritize!)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
Only the muslims and the moochers are having multiple babies.

Nonsense.

16 posted on 09/22/2013 5:58:14 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Prioritize!)
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To: Fzob

Bottom line is middle class people are stupid and lazy and not ready to suffer even a little bit for a future.


17 posted on 09/22/2013 5:59:01 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Queering the whole world. That’s the agenda.


18 posted on 09/22/2013 6:04:50 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: cunning_fish
4. “Have fun at work paying for my child care.”

I think I see a possible way to avoid this one.

19 posted on 09/22/2013 6:13:22 AM PDT by Salman
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To: cunning_fish

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/10-things-your-kids-wont-tell-you-2013-09-20/print?guid=CFCB0EF0-222C-11E3-AF7E-00212876B3FC

Single page.


20 posted on 09/22/2013 6:24:51 AM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: Salman
Four kids one income, been doing it for years. It can be done, I am not going to pretend it has be easy, but it has not been that hard either. Homeschooled them all the oldest two have jobs and are returning to society. We have raised four children that will be producers in the world not takers.
21 posted on 09/22/2013 6:27:37 AM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!! (this post approved by the NSA))
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To: Excellence

Thank you!


22 posted on 09/22/2013 6:28:37 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

This article would never get written in Mali or Mexico.
It is aimed at credulous honkies and
was written by a Marxist.


23 posted on 09/22/2013 6:45:36 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: cunning_fish

Coming soon... race ‘betterment’ department.
Reshaping the demographics of the US one article at a time.


24 posted on 09/22/2013 6:58:49 AM PDT by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: cunning_fish

Exactly when did men start having “dream houses”?

Born in ‘44 and marrying in ‘68 with five children by 1980, I certainly don’t remember any conversations with men regarding their dream houses...their wife’s dream house perhaps, but never their own.

“Dream house”??? Give me a break.


25 posted on 09/22/2013 7:00:37 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: cunning_fish; bboop

I think bboop was physically capable of reading past 2, just not emotionally so without getting sickened by the nature of the article.


26 posted on 09/22/2013 7:02:06 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: cunning_fish

“I will cost you your dream house.”

Better that than the other way around!

I read no further. No need at all.


27 posted on 09/22/2013 7:03:03 AM PDT by HomeAtLast ( Get involved. Because you ARE involved.)
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To: headsonpikes

Heck, my dream house is a grass shack on “Topless Island”.


28 posted on 09/22/2013 7:06:04 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
Only the muslims and the moochers are having multiple babies.

You forgot the other 'M' word: Mormons.

29 posted on 09/22/2013 7:06:27 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: cunning_fish

When I was eight years old in 1948, one of my uncles (the only successful one and the only unmarried one) told me, “Look around you and what do you see? Your parents and all your aunts and uncles are poor. Notice also that all of them have children. There is a connection,” or words to that effect. I never forgot that lesson, and it, along with other factors, convinced me. I never gave fatherhood a second thought thereafter.

Today, while my siblings struggle financially, I’m doing just fine, thank you.

Oddly enough, the world struggled by without any of my children.

I am not saying that people don’t get pleasure out of their children, some more certainly do and it gives them enormous pleasure and a reason for living. Good for them. It’s a highly personal decision.


30 posted on 09/22/2013 7:19:34 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: cunning_fish

My first marriage was without kids. My second marriage is with kids. I’ll take the marriage with kids every time.


31 posted on 09/22/2013 7:34:03 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Government in part, but mostly culture rot, is what is responsible for producers having fewer children. The blame for the culture rot falls on the Caucasian protestants who embraced contraception. The fault is with them. They are reaping what they have sown. There are many wonderful Protestants who don’t understand that Christ founded the Catholic Church. They are ignorant. We need these people in the Catholic Church so that they can make life decisions informed by Jesus’ church.


32 posted on 09/22/2013 7:57:49 AM PDT by impimp
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To: cunning_fish
Bottom line is middle class people are stupid and lazy and not ready to suffer even a little bit for a future.

Speaking as a middle class person that raised three kids I might disagree.

33 posted on 09/22/2013 8:08:56 AM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: OldPossum

They weren’t poor, your uncle was.


34 posted on 09/22/2013 8:16:25 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Every time a liberal gets pissed off an angel gets their wings.)
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To: impimp

YOU are ignorant!


35 posted on 09/22/2013 8:17:20 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Every time a liberal gets pissed off an angel gets their wings.)
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To: OldPossum

“Today, while my siblings struggle financially, I’m doing just fine, thank you.”

Did you get to live in your “dream house”?


36 posted on 09/22/2013 8:21:32 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Fzob

I guess you are older than 30.:-)


37 posted on 09/22/2013 8:23:46 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Shimmer1

How so?


38 posted on 09/22/2013 8:25:00 AM PDT by impimp
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To: cunning_fish
Middle-income parents spend over $241,000 to raise a child...

People in poor countries have more kids because they can afford them.

39 posted on 09/22/2013 8:27:03 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (The Presidency is broken.)
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To: Salman

But they already put a stigma on the alternative. “Since the days when one parent stayed home (doing unpaid labor)”


40 posted on 09/22/2013 8:29:02 AM PDT by InsideOutsideUpsideDown
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To: impimp

Coming on here, insulting Protestants because they (we) don’t believe as you do. And I will venture a guess that you’re quick to complain about anti Catholic comments on Catholic threads. Is that the case???????


41 posted on 09/22/2013 9:10:51 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Every time a liberal gets pissed off an angel gets their wings.)
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To: Shimmer1

Agree.

I like the Elizabeth Stone quote.


42 posted on 09/22/2013 9:55:06 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: heye2monn

I am a lawyer and I have four. And i worked and supported my family. And no one to date has had therapy, jail time, a trap stamp, a divorce, bankruptcy, or out of wedlock pregnancy. They all love God and they all work hard to take care of themselves.


43 posted on 09/22/2013 9:55:20 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: bboop

I have seen many families in the Christian community live on what appears to be nothing, reaping the rewards of their extended network. It has actually amazed me how people at near poverty levels have had things donate to them, have made birthdays and holidays out of nothing, and have gone on to serve others. If there is anything I have learned watching these folks - mostly home schoolers - it is that God really does provide, and life is about service - not acquisition.


44 posted on 09/22/2013 9:58:46 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: cunning_fish

I know a family with 12 kids. They have struggles, but they are happy.


45 posted on 09/22/2013 10:36:42 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Shimmer1

It is time Protestants learn God’s truth about contraception. They seem to be disconnected from the idea that actions have consequences. The consequence of lowered birth rates is immigration replacing the children that we were too selfish to have. The consequence of contraception is divorce and abortion. So I will criticize Protestants, just as I criticize wayward Catholics, just as I criticize Muslims, etc. because I want people to understand God’s will. He did reveal much of it to us these past few thousand years.


46 posted on 09/22/2013 11:55:42 AM PDT by impimp
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To: Shimmer1
They weren’t poor, your uncle was.
47 posted on 09/22/2013 12:11:53 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: headsonpikes
Today, while my siblings struggle financially, I’m doing just fine, thank you.

Did you get to live in your “dream house”?

Yep. Actually, I have two. One is a 4,000 square foot house on 23 acres that looks over a very large pond; the other is in another state. It's somewhat smaller but has 15 acres of woodland around it.

I would not have had this were I burdened with kids' costs--including college tuition payments.

IOW, I planned my life carefully and everything worked out the way I planned. I guess that somehow bothers you.

48 posted on 09/22/2013 12:18:40 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Shimmer1
They weren’t poor, your uncle was.

Somehow my post #47 did not get all of what I wrote into it. I said, in response to the above quote: My siblings were--and are--poor. My uncle was the one I had to go to when I desperately needed money to complete my last year of college. It would have been a waste to check with any of the other relatives (uncles, aunts and the such) since they were poor and had no excess funds. My uncle was a generous man to boot.

Your viewpoint is consumed by a narrow focus on what you think is important (not that mine is not; I see things from an entirely different perspective); and we just wouldn't agree that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. We surely would disagree on whether my uncle was rich in the ways that count...at least to me.

49 posted on 09/22/2013 12:34:48 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: bboop

What is the point of a dream house without kids?


50 posted on 09/22/2013 12:47:35 PM PDT by GeronL
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