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'Recognizing same-sex unions brings us closer to apocalypse' - Head of Russian Orthodox Church
RT ^ | July 23 2013 | RT

Posted on 08/20/2013 9:42:54 PM PDT by WilliamIII

The Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill sees the recognition of same-sex unions by Western countries as a portent of doom. He called upon Russians to ensure that sin is never formalized by the rule of law.

"We face enormous temptations when countries start approving sin and codifying it into law in order to justify it,” Itar-Tass quoted the patriarch as saying after the Sunday service in the Kazan Cathedral on Red Square.

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To: sickoflibs

“...Here we give the food stamps, explosives and pressure cookers, ...”

and taxpayer-funded lawyers.


41 posted on 08/21/2013 12:18:26 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; sickoflibs; BillyBoy

Russian culture seems to disapprove of faggotry, the religious and non-religious alike.


42 posted on 08/21/2013 2:14:57 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

The Russians haven’t endured 20 or more years of relentless propaganda on TV from schools and music industry and the culture. Our society is a victim of vicious Nazi-like propaganda promoting pure evil as normal


43 posted on 08/21/2013 2:18:09 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Impy; sickoflibs; BillyBoy

Communism is emasculating enough without adding perv world to it.


44 posted on 08/21/2013 2:43:43 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Deu 17:15 Thou shalt in any wise set [him] king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: [one] from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which [is] not thy brother.

Deu 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.

Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

So, according to this, taking a second wife is adultery.


You have twisted all 3 verses.

The first 2 in the OT are SPECIFICALLY talking about a KING as shown in the verse prior to the first you quoted: "Deu 17:15 Thou shalt in any wise set [him] king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: [one] from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which [is] not thy brother.

The NT verse says "put away his wife", which is not part of the discussion. The discussion was about PLURAL WIVES, meaning more than 1 at the same time, not divorcing and re-marrying.

Now here's one to chew on:

"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things." 2 Samuel 12:8
45 posted on 08/22/2013 1:36:15 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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***”And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom,***

If you will study ancient history you will find that wives were given as hostages in treaty negotiations with nations and tribes around them. Also, when a new king came to power he took the first king’s wives as proof of the new king’s authority.

Please note that Absalom went into David’s wives before he was killed and David put away those wives.

Also, plural wives and concubines caused all sorts of problems. Abraham was given Hagar, by Sarah herself, and this has caused all sorts of problems today.

Jacob worked for Rachael but was forced to take Leah by her father. This caused all sorts of family problems with each forcing Jacob to take their handmaidens. There was NO peace in that family.

Gideon had many wives and look what happened to all of his sons! No peace in that family.

David had many wives and look at what happened in that family! Intrigue, treason, fear of your life as it was the norm for a new king to kill the offspring of the the other wives’ kids to prevent one from trying to ursurp the throne.
Thus the intrigue of Nathan trying to get Solomon on the throne instead of Adonijah.

When Adonijah desired the maid of David for a wife, Solomon had him killed because taking this maid would have been seen by the public as a proclamation that Adonijah was the true king with David’s “wife”, even though she was just a bed warmer.

God had warned against these problems put they were ignored by the desires of men, and this is what Jesus was saying.

Moses allowed it because of the hardness of their hearts.

AGAIN! Look at the words of JESUS!

Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery:

NOW! If an old boy marries a woman, then marries another woman (Number 2) is it lawful in GOD”s eyes, or is some dispensation given if he did not put away his first wife before marrying his second?

This thread is about same sex marriage. This is a discussion for another thread.


46 posted on 08/22/2013 6:47:53 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
NOW! If an old boy marries a woman, then marries another woman (Number 2) is it lawful in GOD”s eyes, or is some dispensation given if he did not put away his first wife before marrying his second?

Going by the regulations that were given as part of the law, I would have to say "yes". I can only go by what the Bible says, not what I want it to say or you or anyone else wants it to say.

Use some simple logic here. If Jesus meant it was adultery to have 2 wives at the same time, why didn't He just say that? Then the verse would read something like "Whosoever shall have a wife and shall marry another, committeth adultery" but He didn't say that. He put in a qualifier that if you "put away your first wife" THEN marry a second you have committed adultery.

As to your first point about where the extra wives came from for David, it matters not. Wives are wives and they were then in every sense of the word.
47 posted on 08/22/2013 8:48:14 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN

John has a wife. He does not like her and divorces her. He then marries another woman.

He has commited adultery.

Bill has a wife. He does not like her but does not divorce her. He then takes another wife. THIS IS NOT ADULTERY?


48 posted on 08/22/2013 9:09:23 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Bill has a wife. He does not like her but does not divorce her. He then takes another wife. THIS IS NOT ADULTERY?

According to the OT that would be wrong, not because he married another wife, but because he did not "like" her. If he marries a second wife, but loves them both and shows no favoritism, then that is not adultery.

Again, maybe it's not something you or I like or would do...but I didn't write the book.
49 posted on 08/23/2013 3:17:36 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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