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The Gruesome Reality of Racist South Africa
Frontpagemag ^ | March 11, 2013 | Arnold Ahlert

Posted on 03/12/2013 7:51:01 PM PDT by Enza Ferreri

For decades, the country of South Africa was the focus of an international rallying cry against the injustices of apartheid. On June 17, 1991, South Africa’s Parliament abolished the legal framework for the practice of racial persecution. In 1994, Nelson Mandela and his Marxist African National Congress (ANC) assumed the reins of power. The international community looked away, satisfied that justice had prevailed. They continue to look away, even as South Africa has degenerated into another racist pit, best described by an Afrikaner farm owner: “It’s politically correct to kill whites these days.”

In July of 2012, Dr. Gregory Stanton, head of the nonprofit group Genocide Watch, conducted a fact-finding mission in South Africa. He concluded that there is a coordinated campaign of genocide being conducted against white farmers, known as Boers. “The farm murders, we have become convinced, are not accidental,” Stanton contended. “It was very clear that the massacres were not common crimes,” he added — especially because of the absolute barbarity used against the victims. “We don’t know exactly who is planning them yet, but what we are calling for is an international investigation,” he added.

The number of farm murders, or “plaasmoorde” as it is called in Afrikaans, is staggering. Over the last decade, it is estimated that at least 3000 Boers have been killed. Estimating the number of murders is necessary because the ANC has banned crime statistics from being compiled, claiming they scare off foreign investment. Moreover, the world knows little about the savagery that accompanies those killings. Many victims, including women and infant children, are raped or tortured before they are killed. Some have boiling water poured down their throats, some are burned with hot pokers, and some are hacked to death with machetes, or disemboweled. Several others have been tied to their own cars and dragged for miles.

The ANC, whose leader Jacob Zuma was reelected with over 75 per cent of the total voting delegates at the ANC National Conference held in Bloemfontein last December, denies that genocide is occurring, insisting that such attacks are part of the larger crime problem. Yet a report filed by the South African Institute of Race Relations notes that while crime has ostensibly declined between 1994 and 2011, “substantial numbers” of police stations have manipulated their crime statistics. The report sub-headline underscores the corrupt nature of crime statistics in the country: “Is this a true reflection of the crime statistics in South Africa? Who knows!” it states.

What is known is that the ANC celebrated in 100th year anniversary with a song led by President Zuma himself. “Dubula iBhunu” or “Shoot the Boer” was a line in the lyrics of an apartheid-era song, “Ayesaba Amagwala” (“the cowards are scared”) that violates the South Africa constitution prohibiting the “advocacy of hatred that is based on race … and that constitutes incitement to cause harm.” Yet Zuma apparently felt no compunction to refrain from singing it, because the ANC considers it an integral part of the anti-apartheid movement that is part of their heritage.

In 2010, Julius Malema, then leader of the ANC Youth League, revived the practice of singing the song after many years. After the South Africa High Court ruled it was hate speech, the ANC appealed. Last October, the ANC and AfriForum, a lobby group that wanted the song banned from public performance, reached an out-of-court settlement.

Dr. Stanton concluded that Malema’s revival of a song advocating murder moved South Africa from the fifth stage on his genocidal scale to stage six. When the South African judiciary ruled it to be unlawful hate speech, Genocide Watch put South Africa back at stage five. When President Zuma was caught on tape January 2012 singing, “We are going to shoot them with the machine gun, they are going to run/You are a Boer, we are going to hit them, and you are going to run/shoot the Boer…” South Africa was raised to stage six once again.

Stage six is known as Preparation: “Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity. Death lists are drawn up. Members of victim groups are forced to wear identifying symbols. Their property is expropriated. They are often segregated into ghettoes, deported into concentration camps, or confined to a famine-struck region and starved.”

The sixth stage is followed by stage seven: Extermination.

In December, more than 200 protesters of the Afrikaner civil rights group AfriForum, which included families of murdered farmers and survivors of farm attacks, marched in the capital city of Pretoria. They were commemorating the second anniversary of the murders of farm caretaker Attie Potgieter and his family. Potgieter was stabbed and hacked 151 times with a knife, a fork, and a machete, while his wife and two-year-old daughter were forced to watch. They were then executed with shots to the head. ”If you kill a rhinoceros in South Africa, you get more time in jail then if you kill a person,” said Susan Nortje, 26, Mrs. Potgieter’s younger sister. “I don’t think people understand. We must show people what’s really happening.”

The group is calling for attacks on South Africa’s mostly white farmers to be designated a crime of national priority. They delivered a memorandum to the country’s police minister, Nathi Mthethwa, urging him to give the murder of farmers the same level of urgency aimed at rhinoceros poachers and copper cable thieves. Mthethwa was not present at the time, but police spokesman Zweli Mnisi accused the protesters of “grandstanding.” “They are only representing people based on their color,” he contended. “For us, racializing crime is problematic. You can’t have a separate category that says, farmers are the special golden boys and girls. You end up saying the life of a white person is more important. You cannot do this,” he added.

Yet according to Johan Burger, a senior researcher with the Pretoria-based Institute for Security Studies’ crime and justice program, white farmers’ concerns are legitimately “special.” He reveals that it is now twice as dangerous to be a farmer in South Africa than a police officer. The overall murder rate in the nation is 31.9 per 100,000 people, 30 times that of Great Britain. For police it’s 51 out of 100,000. For farmers, who are overwhelmingly white, the rate soars to 99 out 100,000. Burger rejects the notion that such a rate constitutes genocide–even as he concedes that many murderers ”take out their hatred for all those past wrongs, and show who’s in control now.”

Like so many societies where demonstrating who’s in control becomes a necessity, disarming the population becomes a priority. In 2010, the ANC-led regime changed the Firearms Registration Act, demanding that all legal guns be re-registered by July 31, 2011. In the process of re-registration, more than half the applicants were turned down, and 90 percent were turned down again on appeal. Thus, white farm families were forced to relinquish their last line of defense against the tens of thousands of criminal gangs roaming the countryside–armed with AK47s. and as Genocide Watch noted on its website last July one more step was taken as well. “The government has disbanded the commando units of white farmers that once protected their farms, and has passed laws to confiscate the farmers’ weapons,” it reported. “Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocidal killings.”

There is also a movement, much like the one that occurred in Zimbabwe, to confiscate white farmers’ land. Julius Malema led the charge, saying all whites are criminals, and that his ANC Youth League members were going to take all the land back without compensation, unless farmers relinquish 80 percent of it. At a conference in 2011, Malema reiterated his plans, contending that the nation’s ”willing buyer, willing seller” program, aimed at redistributing 30 percent of white-owned land to blacks within the first five years of the country’s democracy (a deadline later shifted to 2014, and then to 2025), wasn’t working. ”You can never be diplomatic about willing-buyer, willing-seller. It has failed. You have not come with an alternative,” said Mr. Malema at the time. “We are giving you an alternative; we must take the land without payment.”

That is a recipe for famine, as revealed by Rural Development and Land Reform Minister Gugile Nkwinti. In 2009, he told Parliament that more than half of the farms purchased for black farmers, at a cost of $891 million in government outlays, had either failed or were “declining.”

Yet ANC president Zuma remains undeterred. “The structure of the apartheid economy has remained largely intact,” Mr. Zuma said, in a speech given June 26, 2012 to thousands of delegates at ANC’s policy conference, held every five years, where the party’s pre-presidential election platform is discussed. “The ownership of the economy is still primarily in the hands of white males, as it has always been.”

Embedded in that platform is the idea that making peace with white South Africans following the end of apartheid has “hampered” the transfer of wealth to black South Africans. Thus, a “second transition,” was proposed, which even the see-no-progressive-evil New York Times was forced to concede represents a ”sharp leftward shift for the A.N.C., which despite its roots has largely backed a free-market economy with minimal state intervention.”

Stanton sees a bigger picture. In a speech in Pretoria, organized by the Transvaal Agricultural Union, Stanton claimed the ANC was demonizing white farmers, who have been in South Africa since the 1600s, by calling them “settlers.” A Genocide Watch reports reveals the strategy behind those efforts. “High-ranking ANC government officials who continuously refer to Whites as ‘settlers’ and ‘colonialists of a special type’ are using racial epithets in a campaign of state-sponsored dehumanization of the White population as a whole,” it stated. “They sanction gang-organized hate crimes against Whites, with the goal of terrorizing Whites through fear of genocidal annihilation.”

ANC President Jacob Zuma continues to fan the flames of racial division. Last December, he admonished black South Africans for being dog owners, saying that doing so amounts to copying white culture. Zuma’s office contended the message was aimed at ”the need to decolonize the African mind post-liberation.”

It is a post-liberation effort that remains alarmingly on track to emulate all the other historically blood-soaked efforts by Marxists, who invariably need an enemy at whom to direct their anger. White African farmers are that enemy. Pieter Mulder, leader of political party FF Plus and South Africa’s deputy agriculture minister, who was focused on the excesses of Julius Malema a year and a half ago, nevertheless offered an inadvertently prescient statement about his country’s future. After noting that Malema and his ilk were attempting to take the country “back to the period before 1994 when violence and even the possibility of a civil war was part of the South African debate” he revealed why such forces remain seemingly unstoppable. ”We don’t have a Mandela that stands up and says: ‘This is wrong,’” he warned.


TOPICS: Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: africa; afrikaner; antiwhite; racism; southafrica
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1 posted on 03/12/2013 7:51:01 PM PDT by Enza Ferreri
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To: Enza Ferreri

Thank you for publishing this story. The United States must speak out for the South African farmers. I have seen many horrific pictures of what they do to them. They are trying to kill of white people in a stealth way and they are getting away with it because no one ways anything about it.


2 posted on 03/12/2013 7:57:35 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Enza Ferreri

Get armed and get organized


3 posted on 03/12/2013 8:00:07 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Enza Ferreri

For many years, I have wanted to visit South Africa - the history, the natural beauty, etc.

But in recent years, I have heard only bad things about South Africa. It doesn’t even seem to be safe for tourists.

The sad part is that the persons committing these crimes have only to look just north (Rhodesia) and see what similiar policies have caused. Those policies turned the Breadbasket Of Africa into a real hellhole. South Africa doesn’t seem to be that far behind.


4 posted on 03/12/2013 8:02:56 PM PDT by MplsSteve (General Mills is pro-gay marriage! Boycott their products!)
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To: Enza Ferreri

Coming soon to a country near you, that used to be known as The United States of America.


5 posted on 03/12/2013 8:04:53 PM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (Fight Third-World Despotism. Overthrow Obama.)
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To: Enza Ferreri

Coming soon to an owebama National Civilian Defense Force near us.


6 posted on 03/12/2013 8:05:05 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Enza Ferreri

Like so many societies where demonstrating who’s in control becomes a necessity, disarming the population becomes a priority. In 2010, the ANC-led regime changed the Firearms Registration Act, demanding that all legal guns be re-registered by July 31, 2011. In the process of re-registration, more than half the applicants were turned down, and 90 percent were turned down again on appeal. Thus, white farm families were forced to relinquish their last line of defense against the tens of thousands of criminal gangs roaming the countryside–armed with AK47s. and as Genocide Watch noted on its website last July one more step was taken as well. “The government has disbanded the commando units of white farmers that once protected their farms, and has passed laws to confiscate the farmers’ weapons,” it reported. “Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocidal killings.”


7 posted on 03/12/2013 8:08:14 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Enza Ferreri

This doesn’t even discuss the epidemic of rapes, thefts, violent crime.

As for racism against whites, seizing their property, etc., it’s happening here and will only get worse because no one is willing to confront it.


8 posted on 03/12/2013 8:14:36 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: Enza Ferreri

There is no peaceful solution possible for this. Once all the farmers have been murdered or chased off, attention will turn to those whites who live in the small towns, and after that the cities, just like happened in other African countries.

It is impossible to get a firearms license for any kind of weapon that can at least offer some protection against AK 47’s, or against groups of attackers. The process for hunting rifles and handguns takes years, and most applications are denied several times. Structures for protection and patrols exist, but responses to attacks in progress invariably come too late.

The leftists and communists of the world will keep looking the other way, and if confronted with it, will state that white South Africans had it coming for all the wrongs they did.


9 posted on 03/12/2013 8:19:26 PM PDT by Ironfocus
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To: Enza Ferreri

Haiti on a larger scale...


10 posted on 03/12/2013 8:21:22 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Enza Ferreri
"Estimating the number of murders is necessary because the ANC has banned crime statistics from being compiled, claiming they scare off foreign investment."

Somewhat akin to taking your money, and flushing it down the toilet.
Only the Chinese want to deal with africa.
But they have none of the compunctions that euro/caucasians have,
and arent afraid of being called the dreaded 'R' word.
11 posted on 03/12/2013 8:22:37 PM PDT by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: Enza Ferreri
”We don’t have a Mandela that stands up and says: ‘This is wrong,’” he warned.

Like all other marxists, Mandela believes that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet...that the ends justify the means. This is exactly what he wants, otherwise he would be and would have been speaking out against these atrocities.

As for the coming famine (not a question of if, but when), LET THE ANIMALS STARVE!
12 posted on 03/12/2013 8:24:09 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: Enza Ferreri
Frontpage shouldn't attempt to complicate things with stories like this.

Why not leave things where everyone knew at a glance who the bad guys and good guys were?

13 posted on 03/12/2013 8:26:10 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Travis McGee

This is what a communist government and its armed gangs do.

Coming to America, soon.


14 posted on 03/12/2013 8:29:18 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Enza Ferreri

And to think, there were no blacks in SA when the Dutch settled there. Only a few Bushmen and Hottentots.


15 posted on 03/12/2013 8:30:50 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: cradle of freedom

The important lesson in this is advanced societies must learn not to be full of themselves. Europe colonized Africa and Asia, using the Darwin notion that it is natural for superior groups can take advantage of less advance groups, just like strong lions can beat on weak lions. Such policies will bear bitter fruit and generate hatred/revenge once the people of color break the European yoke. One group revenging against past offences from another group is old as the Old Testament in the Bible record of human nature.
Our founding fathers had the right attitude, no foreign entanglements including colonization/empire building. Unfortunately the US went on this road with the Spanish American War followed by Pres Wilson redefinition of the US as the New World to Leader of the Free World. What is happening to whites in South Africa and Rhodesia should serve as a warning to Americans to stay and prosper within the two great God given oceans that protect us. Follow the European imperial road and end up with more enemies and a legacy of revenge.


16 posted on 03/12/2013 8:30:59 PM PDT by Fee
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To: Enza Ferreri

Reminds me of Cambodia 38 years ago. The commies won there, and the media walked away - MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

The fact that one third of the people of Cambodia then died in the next 4 years barely raised a paragraph in the newspapers. It didn’t matter...the mission was accomplished.

In a way, the whites deserve what they’re getting - they knew FULL WELL what would happen if they handed over power, but they let the rest of the world goad them into thinking that it would be ok. They were actually doing just fine - more than able to both take care of themselves and their neighborhood. But they let it all go...


17 posted on 03/12/2013 8:31:34 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: 2banana

Get the hell out of that hell hole of a nation! They are outnumbered and out voted.


18 posted on 03/12/2013 8:34:23 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The jews said the same about Palestine. We can take it because no one is there. Over fifty years later, endless wars, terrorist attacks and facing over 300 million angry Arabs. Where did all those Arabs come from?!!!! I guess the Dutch made the same mistake. Where did all those Kafas come from??!!!!


19 posted on 03/12/2013 8:36:00 PM PDT by Fee
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To: Enza Ferreri
Of course productive WHITE Africans with knowledge of western life would never qualify for refugee status here.

But the Somalis who don’t know how to use a toilet in their section 8 apartments can come right in.

I weep for what has happened to this Nation...

20 posted on 03/12/2013 8:36:19 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: BobL
In a way, the whites deserve what they’re getting - they knew FULL WELL what would happen if they handed over power, but they let the rest of the world goad them into thinking that it would be ok. They were actually doing just fine - more than able to both take care of themselves and their neighborhood. But they let it all go...

Apartheid had to go, period.

In retrospect, South Africa should had been divided into several different countries.

21 posted on 03/12/2013 8:38:22 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
Apartheid had to go, period.

In retrospect, South Africa should had been divided into several different countries.

In only two sentences, you have correctly stated the South African situation. Bravo!

22 posted on 03/12/2013 8:44:56 PM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Enza Ferreri

I know someone who grew up there and echoed same things. They are racist in regards to how they treat different black tribes with different skin color and characteristics. It is not juist racism against whites. The blacks are harder on each other over there than any treatment they received by whites.


23 posted on 03/12/2013 8:45:40 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Enza Ferreri

“Like so many societies where demonstrating who’s in control becomes a necessity, disarming the population becomes a priority. In 2010, the ANC-led regime changed the Firearms Registration Act, demanding that all legal guns be re-registered by July 31, 2011. In the process of re-registration, more than half the applicants were turned down, and 90 percent were turned down again on appeal.”

No comment necessary.


24 posted on 03/12/2013 8:46:52 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: 45semi

Who’d invest in a socialist black racist country like South Africa?


25 posted on 03/12/2013 8:49:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Apartheid had to go, period.

In retrospect, South Africa should had been divided into several different countries. “

Why...because the libs deemed it so? I don’t listen to them, sorry.

I would put Apartheid up against ANY other sub-Saharan African country, by any measure, including freedom, and it would win. All the countries are tribal...the only bad thing about South Africa was that the wrong tribe was running the place.


26 posted on 03/12/2013 8:51:56 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Fee

***I guess the Dutch made the same mistake. Where did all those Kafas come from??!!!!***

The blacks were pushed out of their lands to the north by the impis of SHAKA, who demanded a 500 mile radius of empty land around his corral. Patrolled by impis, anyone caught in there were murdered.


27 posted on 03/12/2013 8:58:27 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Apartheid had to go, period. In retrospect, South Africa should had been divided into several different countries.”

Actually, I agree breaking up the country would be preferable to what it is today, but I doubt that the world community was in any mood for that - where you’d have a wealthy white state surrounded by a destitute black state (or states). They (the world community) wanted blood back then, and that wouldn’t have satisfied them.


28 posted on 03/12/2013 9:00:43 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Enza Ferreri

Isn't that one of Zuma's wifes?

Ain't that Zuma?

Imagine the Reagans, the George H.W. Bushs playing nice-nice with the white leader of apartheid S.A.

The images are from a G20 summit and Mrs. Obama's visit to South Africa.

.. yep.. Obama and Zuma are buddies, America. :)

29 posted on 03/12/2013 9:07:56 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Enza Ferreri

In a few years South Africa will be like Zimbabwe. Massive starvation and savage brutality.


30 posted on 03/12/2013 9:11:16 PM PDT by detective
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To: Enza Ferreri
Like so many societies where demonstrating who’s in control becomes a necessity, disarming the population becomes a priority. In 2010, the ANC-led regime changed the Firearms Registration Act, demanding that all legal guns be re-registered by July 31, 2011. In the process of re-registration, more than half the applicants were turned down, and 90 percent were turned down again on appeal. Thus, white farm families were forced to relinquish their last line of defense against the tens of thousands of criminal gangs roaming the countryside–armed with AK47s. and as Genocide Watch noted on its website last July one more step was taken as well. “The government has disbanded the commando units of white farmers that once protected their farms, and has passed laws to confiscate the farmers’ weapons,” it reported. “Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocidal killings.”

They want to do the same thing here....
31 posted on 03/12/2013 9:22:52 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Enza Ferreri

Another liberal Democrat success story. How uplifting!


32 posted on 03/12/2013 9:24:11 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Flatus I. Maximus

0bamanite have said that they want to replace the US Constitution with that of SA(Mandela’s Paradise)..the only mitigating factor is that the demographics here are inverse to SA’s. 0bama and his minions are as innumerate as they are intemperate!


33 posted on 03/12/2013 9:27:18 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Fee
Such policies will bear bitter fruit and generate hatred/revenge once the people of color break the European yoke.One group revenging against past offences from another group is old as the Old Testament in the Bible record of human nature.

This is true, but the unfortunate fact is that the cat is already out of the bag. To the extent that the USA has engaged in empire-building, it has not done so in the same way that the Europeans did, which was for the purpose of harvesting local resources, primarily. Yet the USA, seen as a "white country", still has to bear the brunt of the anti-white hatred now, even when it is doing things to help other nations (like aid to Africa). In other words, the USA and all other "white" countries already have to deal with anti-white hatred whether it is deserved or not.

The lesson that should really be taken from South Africa's example, is that when you are part of a civilized minority group who keeps the stores full and the trains running, you don't turn over control of the country to a more primitive majority who hate you just because a bunch of hand-wringing lefties overseas cry about social justice. Not unless you enjoy being macheted to death, that is.
34 posted on 03/12/2013 9:28:57 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Enza Ferreri

I went to church with a couple from South Africa in the 80’s. They were both agriculture graduate students at New Mexico State University. They returned to South Africa after they graduated. I have often wondered what happened to them and if they are still alive.


35 posted on 03/12/2013 9:36:49 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: BobL

The Whites there had no choice, except to move, Bob. We are seeing the same tendencies in our own country, so where would you have us go? All of us on FR, to one degree or another, fight these same policies but get no relief from our “leaders”, who have sold us out.


36 posted on 03/12/2013 9:50:54 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Fee

They MOVED there, not unlike the Irish Catholics who moved into N.I. because of the wealth created by Protestants. There is so much wrong with your posts, I hardly know where to begin.


37 posted on 03/12/2013 9:53:41 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: wjcsux

Have you tried the usual social media, like Facebook and Myspace? It would be interesting to hear from them.


38 posted on 03/12/2013 9:57:09 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: cradle of freedom

“The United States must speak out for the South African farmers. I have seen many horrific pictures of what they do to them. They are trying to kill of white people in a stealth way and they are getting away with it because no one ways anything about it.”

If you’re waiting for Obama to speak out on behalf of white people, you might just as well spit directly into the wind.


39 posted on 03/12/2013 11:14:28 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: cradle of freedom

“The United States must speak out for the South African farmers.”

Do you really think the “United States” is going to speak out with the guy we have in the White House right now?


40 posted on 03/13/2013 2:49:58 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Enza Ferreri

“The Whites there had no choice, except to move, Bob. “

I LOVE that technique, I even have it on my home page. In any case, I remember those days well, and the whites were FAR from defeated there. It was more like they were worn down and tired of doing what was needed to keep order in their country. Not much different than when the Israeli’s elect a Labor leader that wants to cut deals with a Palestinian mob that wants every one of them dead.

As to your question, you fight back. Europe will have to make that decision soon, and I expect there to be a bloodbath, with the native Europeans winning out. But they brought it on themselves, but allowing a determined foe to gain a foothold, and then build up strength.


41 posted on 03/13/2013 4:04:49 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Enza Ferreri

“Freeeeeeee Nelson Mandela.
Freeeeeeeeee Nelson Mandela.”


42 posted on 03/13/2013 4:12:11 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: fabian

“Get the hell out of that hell hole of a nation! They are outnumbered and out voted.”

Easier said than done. I know of two people who have paid a high fee to apply for a travel visa, only to be denied. These people are trapped.


43 posted on 03/13/2013 4:53:13 AM PDT by Thidwick
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To: Enza Ferreri

Zimbabwe all over again.


44 posted on 03/13/2013 5:29:43 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Enza Ferreri
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45 posted on 03/13/2013 5:31:03 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: BobL

That is a bit like saying that Jim Crow laws needed to stay in the South because it was the only way to “keep the n***ers in line”. Just to clarify, is that what you are saying?


46 posted on 03/13/2013 5:34:14 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

“That is a bit like saying that Jim Crow laws needed to stay in the South because it was the only way to “keep the n***ers in line”. Just to clarify, is that what you are saying?”

Kind of like saying that what happened in Rwanda was JUST FINE, as long as the colors are right. Just to clarify, is that what you are saying?


47 posted on 03/13/2013 5:59:29 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: BobL

What I am asking is that do you think that laws that keep one race of citizens down in favour of another are justified? It seems that way, I’m just trying to clarify if that is what you intended to say when you made that comment about the whites ‘bringing it upon themselves’ by ditching apartheid.


48 posted on 03/13/2013 6:40:42 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Thidwick

Well, where their is a will,, there is a way. Cannot just stay and get slaughtered there.


49 posted on 03/13/2013 7:40:16 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: MinorityRepublican

Actually, dividing the country by tribal lines was the plan under apartheid, with cross-border industrial development to sustain the different tribal homelands. It failed because the British colonial government refused to give up the mineral rich areas, stifling development away from the mining hubs, and after 1963, when British colonialism ended, there was little desire to pursue new borders or large-scale development as the industrial hubs were pretty much established. Some homelands did become relatively successfully self-governed, but since the industrial development never happened as planned, it was not sustainable from an economic perspective.

Under the format that apartheid ended up as, I agree, it had to go, but the current solution is not any better for the majority of South Africans. The new ruling class likes it a lot though.

I would have loved to see South Africa take a free market approach and establish the only free-trade zone on the continent, with self governance to each of the major tribes and population groups in an own country. Wishful thinking given the ideological history of all involved.


50 posted on 03/13/2013 10:36:49 AM PDT by Ironfocus
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