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Billions of rounds of hollow points, black helicopters- what does it all mean?
Flopping Aces ^ | 02-09-13 | DrJohn

Posted on 02/09/2013 10:02:29 AM PST by Starman417

Black hawk helicoptersAP

At IBD Andrew Malcolm ask the question:

Why are the feds loading up on so much ammo?

In a puzzling, unexplained development, the Obama administration has been buying and storing vast amounts of ammunition in recent months, with the Department of Homeland Security just placing another order for an additional 21.6 million rounds.

Several other agencies of the federal government also began buying large quantities of bullets last year. The Social Security Administration, for instance, not normally considered on the frontlines of anything but dealing with seniors, explained that its purchase of millions of rounds was for special agents' required quarterly weapons qualifications. They must be pretty poor shots.

But DHS has been silent about its need for numerous orders of bullets in the multiple millions. Indeed, Examiner writer Ryan Keller points out Janet Napolitano's agency illegally redacted information from some ammunition solicitation forms following media inquiries.

This administration did something illegal? Shocking.

DHS could shoot us all- with hollow points:

According to one estimate, just since last spring DHS has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm. That's sufficient firepower to shoot every American about five times. Including illegal immigrants.

To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, DHS is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war.

Question is, against whom?

Did Obama hint at why in 2008?

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

It's not just this either. Events start to add up:

Black helicopters appear in US cities:

Miami

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1BhRNfY1lo

MIAMI (CBSMiami) – Some members of the U.S. military were busy in Miami Thursday night as they conducted exercises in Downtown Miami.

CBS4 captured video of Black Hawk helicopters flying over the city as part of a joint military training exercise.

Thursday night’s training took place near the Stephen P. Clark Center in Miami and a nearby Metrorail station where troops could be seen rappelling from the military choppers onto the Metrorail station platform.

Houston

HOUSTON (KTRK) -- The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire created a lot of concern Monday afternoon in one Houston neighborhood.

We received a lot of phones calls, Tweets and Facebook posts from worried neighbors, wondering what was going on.

SkyEye 13 HD was over the south side where at first look, it appeared there was a massive SWAT scene happening.

With military helicopters flying above her southeast Houston neighborhood, Frances Jerrals didn't know what to think.

"When you see this, you think the worst. When you hear this, you think the worst," Jerrals said.

And so, she passed along her concern.

"She told me 'don't come home it sounds like we're in a war zone. Guns, shooting, helicopters flying around the house,'" Isaac Robertson Jr. said.

The U.S. Army along with other agencies took over the old Carnegie Vanguard High School near Scott and Airport. There were armed men in fatigues, plenty of weapons and what many thought were real live rounds

"I felt like I was in a warzone." Jerrals said. "It was nonstop. I was terrified."

Gunfire? In a residential neighborhood? Yes, blanks, but without warning?

We had Janet Napolitano warning us of domestic terrorists such as US military veterans, pro-life groups and those opposing illegal immigration.

(excerpt) Read more at floppingaces.net...


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: dhs; guncontrol; obama; secondamendment

1 posted on 02/09/2013 10:02:39 AM PST by Starman417
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To: Starman417

It means people on our side need as much Thorazine as the liberals did when they were screaming about these things during the Bush administration.

The ammunition orders for example, isn’t as much as people are making it out to be. If you get into the details, what has changed is they are making five year contracts versus yearly contracts. Ammunition orders under the Bush administration were around 230 million rounds per year so the increase isn’t that much. (also note, many of the ‘billions’ stories make it appear they are actually getting that much delivered, which isn’t true, they are simply contracting a negotiated price for up to a certain amount for a period of time).

What has changed, however, is going to half-decade contracts at one time. This has created bottlenecks in the system that has impacted supply and is in part, causing the shortages you are seeing now.


2 posted on 02/09/2013 10:09:23 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Starman417
Southern California, today. One man, with a bit of psyops screed on the internet, and a few rounds has the southern part of the state on high alert and wasting tax dollars on overtime.

Folks have opinions about government tyrany, but reality is that one guy can tie up thousands of men and millions of dollars in resources.

Multiply by 100,000.

/johnny

3 posted on 02/09/2013 10:10:10 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Starman417

It means we need to think. We need to adapt. Keep an eye on what is going on. The government’s tactics are being telegraphed. CWII cannot be fought on the government’s terms.


4 posted on 02/09/2013 10:11:54 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: mnehring

Why do they need so much ammo?


5 posted on 02/09/2013 10:12:09 AM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: Starman417
I am sure that a sniper with a Barrett .50 caliber rifle could take out a black helicopter that was attacking Americans. Our biggest concern is the Feral Government dominated by fascists and muslims.
6 posted on 02/09/2013 10:12:55 AM PST by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: ConservativeInPA

It means hunker down. Lock and load. MOLON LABE.


7 posted on 02/09/2013 10:15:24 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Starman417
Their huge volume purchases are also making it more difficult and even impossible for the citizenry to find certain ammo..

After Sandy Hook, civilians went nuts buying ammo.. Good thing the gov't made most of their massive ammo purchases right before Sandy Hook. Hmmmmm, almost as if they knew Sandy Hook was going to happen!

8 posted on 02/09/2013 10:17:04 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Mmogamer

First, they aren’t actually being delivered that much ammo, they are contracts to lock in the price for ‘up to’ that much. We don’t know how much they are actually buying within that contract.

Second, they have needed ‘that much’ for a long time, at least since 2001 they have been purchasing at least 230 million rounds per year. (and if you do the numbers, you’ll see the current half-decade contracts versus annual then are about the same total amounts).

Homeland Security is the umbrella that covers agencies like ICE, Border Patrols, Customs, FBI, etc. All of those agencies burn millions upon millions of millions of rounds at practice ranges alone. Who knows how many are also being stockpiled anticipating future shortages, etc.

My point is that people are making a big deal out of something that isn’t that much out of the norm. The libs screamed about Bush using these on them when he was President, now the roles are switched. This is a usual storyline that switches players as the PTBs switch.


9 posted on 02/09/2013 10:18:33 AM PST by mnehring
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To: WMarshal

Most helicopters can be put out of action by small caliber weapons such as 7.62 or 5.56. Military helicopters have some armor but mostly to protect the pilots and crew.


10 posted on 02/09/2013 10:19:12 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Their huge volume purchases are also making it more difficult and even impossible for the citizenry to find certain ammo..

I think this may be one of the reasons why they switched from annual contract purchases to contracting for a half-decade instead. Create a supply bottleneck.

11 posted on 02/09/2013 10:20:05 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Good points but it doesn’t really explain it all away, particularly the military exercises.


12 posted on 02/09/2013 10:20:55 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Starman417
Because the INFLATED budgets of many of those useless Agencies are available to spend on ammo. The Executive Branch, the Czars, and the Regulatory Agencies are slush-funds and packed with high-paid do-nothing friends and lackeys, and we could eliminate ALL the Regulatory Agencies, ALL their un-needed office/paper-pushers who stifle growth, and bleed taxpayer money for the SEIU/DNC coffers.

Without touching the Military, we could cut 50% of the Federal staffs and not miss a thing (we might even likely gain Freedom from interference with We The People).

13 posted on 02/09/2013 10:26:41 AM PST by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: driftdiver

“Good points but it doesn’t really explain it all away, particularly the military exercises.”

We’ve had more than the usual low-level flyovers here around Richmond, VA. Mostly choppers. It’s both annoying and suspicious.


14 posted on 02/09/2013 10:26:49 AM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: driftdiver

The military exercises aren’t that unusual either. If you look up archive news stories for ‘operation urban warrior’ you will see these type of exercises taking place pretty regularly from the mid 90s through now. It is practice moving through urban areas that they can’t get on the practice range. I believe these really picked up after the Black Hawk Down incident when we saw a big gap in urban warfare knowledge.


15 posted on 02/09/2013 10:27:54 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Starman417

What does it all mean? Probably a half dozen more threads on the subject this month.


16 posted on 02/09/2013 10:28:26 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: mnehring
It means people on our side need as much Thorazine as the liberals did when they were screaming about these things during the Bush administration.

Exactly. Because there is absolutely zero-difference between what the Bush administration desired for the country, versus what the Obama Regime desires for the country. /sarcasm

So how-come I no-got warm-fuzzies about the next 4-years and was so tickled to get another 1K rounds of Golden Tiger from SGAmmo this AM!
17 posted on 02/09/2013 10:29:56 AM PST by CaptSkip
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To: Starman417

“Department of Homeland Security just placing another order for an additional 21.6 million rounds.”

The lucky thing is that it is being purchased by one of the most incompetent of all the incompetent Federal agencies.

It will only be a matter of months before they can’t find it, can’t account for it, and can’t explain it (and I’ll be buying some choice ammo at the local flea market.)


18 posted on 02/09/2013 10:31:04 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: JRandomFreeper

Reminds me of the whole DC sniper incident. Two idiots with a rifle brought havoc on that whole region. Now imagine sane people armed with high caliber rifles that can really reach out and touch someone. Oh, and those rifles rarely hold more than five rounds, but they are a very effective five rounds.


19 posted on 02/09/2013 10:31:50 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Mmogamer
Why do they need so much ammo?

Who knows, maybe they are planning for another civil war.

20 posted on 02/09/2013 10:31:53 AM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Starman417

They are expecting an insurrection.


21 posted on 02/09/2013 10:33:43 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: factoryrat

A wise man once said,” Every shot that misses it’s target is just useless fireworks.”


22 posted on 02/09/2013 10:36:02 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: mnehring

I think that is the goal of Barry and Napolitano: Dry up the supply of ammo — this is the most efficient way to do it - buy it all up now ostensibly under a 5-year contract. Then, do whatever you need to do with the Sheeple on your own timetable.


23 posted on 02/09/2013 10:36:42 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Starman417

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- BILLIONS of rounds of hollow points, black helicopters for the SAA, IRS, HLS - What does it all mean?

- Who does Obama plan to kill?

- Is it you?

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24 posted on 02/09/2013 10:37:03 AM PST by devolve ( -------- -- --It is not where Obama was born that is the problem - it is where he's living now--)
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To: Sioux-san

That is a lot more of a logical conclusion than some of the conspiracies going around.


25 posted on 02/09/2013 10:37:57 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Starman417

26 posted on 02/09/2013 10:38:26 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Mmogamer

[Why do they need so much ammo?]

Because many of them are lousy marksmen.


27 posted on 02/09/2013 10:40:56 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: mnehring

I disagree with your assessment of the banal purpose.


28 posted on 02/09/2013 10:43:51 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

These guys have a real problem.I can put 10 in the black at 500 yards anytime you ask,and I’m just a bit better than average shot in the family.My late father,there was a man who really knew how to shoot.


29 posted on 02/09/2013 10:49:54 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

These guys have a real problem.I can put 10 in the black at 500 yards anytime you ask,and I’m just a bit better than average shot in the family.My late father,there was a man who really knew how to shoot.


30 posted on 02/09/2013 10:50:03 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Starman417

What next the public can only buy rubber ammunition?.


31 posted on 02/09/2013 10:51:17 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Starman417
"Billions of rounds of hollow points, black helicopters- what does it all mean?"


32 posted on 02/09/2013 10:52:27 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: driftdiver

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Obama is using your taxes to prepare for using hollow point cartridges (cop killer bullets says Sarah Brady) and military choppers on malcontents and damgerous extremists like you and your family!

- Obama may also be getting “a piece of da action” for himself and his Chi-Town buddies -

But he would not do that would he?

- Janet Nappy is exploring a run for President in 2016 - she needs to stock up on supplies.....

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33 posted on 02/09/2013 10:57:35 AM PST by devolve ( -------- -- --It is not where Obama was born that is the problem - it is where he's living now--)
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To: devolve
- Who does Obama plan to kill?

- Is it you?

His own base, essentially. They are worried about mass insurrection in urban areas when the inevitable economic dislocation makes the EBT cards stop working. They may have to pretend they are after "the lone white gun nut" for reasons of political correctness - but that isn't who scares them.

34 posted on 02/09/2013 10:58:49 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Starman417

“Billions of rounds of hollow points, black helicopters- what does it all mean?”
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GUESS !!!!!.....and guess quickly.....and guess right.....the first time. !!!!!


35 posted on 02/09/2013 11:05:36 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Starman417

This just happened in my mother’s neighborhood - another swat team. She lives in one of the dullest, most dozy towns in New Jersey. What’s going on?


36 posted on 02/09/2013 11:22:18 AM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: WMarshal

such people have been ‘prematurely expiring’ over the last 10 months.

looks like someone else had your exact thought... and is removing the problem from the board


37 posted on 02/09/2013 11:50:05 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Starman417

Much panty-wadding about nothing, as is pointed out every time this same stuff is posted yet again.


38 posted on 02/09/2013 12:02:25 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Starman417

It means that in addition to your guns and ammo, you need body armor and a PASGT helmet.


39 posted on 02/09/2013 12:22:50 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: mnehring

Why does Social Security need ammo? And what is the point of the “military exercises” over major American cities? I believe Obama would have no problem killing Americans if they got in his way. But would our military follow his orders?


40 posted on 02/09/2013 1:21:07 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Starman417

Why buy millions of rounds of ammunition?

Buy low?

I ammunition about to be taxed out the wazoo?

Smart money is on ammo going up!


41 posted on 02/09/2013 2:10:46 PM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Starman417

Why buy millions of rounds of ammunition?

Buy low?

Is ammunition about to be taxed out the wazoo?

Smart money is on ammo going up!


42 posted on 02/09/2013 2:11:52 PM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Starman417

“DHS could shoot us all- with hollow points:”

Uh, I think thats the plan.


43 posted on 02/09/2013 2:21:39 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: mnehring

Oh, its just for practice. Uh, no dude its not and anybody who shoots knows these rounds are not for practice and why. You will be in the first die off and I’ll feel bad about it for about 15 seconds until I remember that I posted to you several timeS that THESE ROUNDS ARE NOT FOR PRACTICE, THEY ARE FOR YOU!!


44 posted on 02/09/2013 2:29:39 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Excellent point. When people ask what can the population do against an army, well, this guy shows how stupid that army can be.


45 posted on 02/09/2013 2:44:19 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: driftdiver

A guy out here in NM shot down the Sheriff’s Dept. chopper with a .30-06 a few years back.


46 posted on 02/09/2013 2:46:19 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Starman417
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

This is why all the local sheriffs in the country refusing to confiscate guns won't make a difference.

The Obama Schutz Staffel will be the confiscators. They will hurt anyone who gets in their way.

47 posted on 02/09/2013 3:04:03 PM PST by stboz
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To: Farmer Dean
I can put 10 in the black at 500 yards anytime you ask,and I’m just a bit better than average shot in the family.My late father,there was a man who really knew how to shoot.

Sounds like you must be related to Henry Bowman ;-)

48 posted on 02/09/2013 5:38:58 PM PST by GizmosAndGadgets (How Free Are You In America Today?)
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To: Starman417

I have been thinking about this for a while, and I think I know how to orchestrate a peaceful preemptive strike.
We don’t need a list of the ammo being bought with our own money.
WE NEED A LIST OF THE TRIGGER PULLERS.
Perhaps a group such as Anonymous can help, or an insider can help, but some how we need a list of every DHS employee with the addresses of their homes, as well as their relatives homes and we need it posted on multiple servers with their GPS coordinates and interactive maps with precise driving directions to their homes. Get it up on multiple sites all at once so it will be archived on as many servers as possible.
Once this information is made known, their loyalties will be tested.
In this way, we can manage a PEACEFUL RESOLUTION BEFORE THE SHTF.
I think it would be the single most effective deterrent to protect our freedom. All of us need to get the word out, through formal requests, through insider whistle blowers to hackers or what have you. We need to execute quickly to nip this thing in the bud.


49 posted on 02/11/2013 7:00:17 AM PST by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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