Posted on 01/27/2013 7:25:19 AM PST by Seizethecarp
Don't expect the management to take any action.
The best thing to do is leave that behind and join other discussions on other threads. If this fogbow (don't know what that is) group doesn't have correct facts to counter the birthers, then they will expose themselves.
Onaka wrote "information... matches the original record" to Arizona. To Kansas he wrote "information...is identical to the information contained in the original CoLB for BHO, II on file with the State of HI DoH". Not a misquote.
His calling Zullo a con-man is so absurd and over the top that it figures he wrote some pathetic diatribe to slander him.
Thanks for the information.
There is no need to respond to you two but for the lurkers out there, here is a link to explain the issue as written by Butterdezillion:
An article which helps explain why neither MDEC’s verification nor Kobach’s means anything:
http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/wheel-of-fortune-v-family-feud-final.pdf
Link to the PDF: http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/kansas-verification.pdf
Link to Klayman’s letter, which Kobach received on Sept 7th: http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/complete-klayman-letter-to-bauer.pdf
And a previous thread about the topic.
Kansas Verification Works for Non-Valid Record Too
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2934384/posts
You’re kindly welcome.
Sounds like the RNC knows the judges have all been threatened.
Maybe because the leadership of the RNC has also been threatened...
If so, though, they know that they won’t be able to do anything “on the issues” either. The same threat that stops everybody on eligibility can stop them on anything. That’s what Glenn Beck found out at Fox. First he was told he couldn’t allow anybody to speak about eligibility, and then when it couldn’t be avoided any more he was presumably told he had to mock the “birthers”. And he did as he was told, focusing instead on other issues like Obama’s connections with Soros and Soros’ connections with both the Muslims and communists. Eventually they threatened his secretary’s life so constantly that he decided he couldn’t in good conscience keep talking about those things on Fox because he was jeopardizing her life. So he left Fox. The only way he could talk about the things that matter is if he was independent. Like Breitbart was independent. Note the “was”.
But I can tell him right now that being independent doesn’t do it either, unless you also do your own distribution, because the 2 leading radio distribution companies were also threatened. Ruh’s EIB Network is independent, but because he depends on Clear Channel to distribute his program, he can’t say whatever he wants either - not if he wants to continue in the business.
Appeasing a tyrant on this one - tee hee - silly, unimportant, nut-job - issue basically tells everybody that you’re for sale, and simply haggling over the price. They’ll up the price whenever they want as long as they have you over a barrel.
And Soros’ communist-Islamist alliance has the judges, RNC, and Congress over a barrel. I believe it is a threat of another run on the bank to collapse the US economy.
Did it sound to you like the RNC was calling the lawsuits stupid, or was saying that there was no will to uphold the law, or what? Were they acting like the “birthers” are the problem, or like the judges are the problem?
You’ve had all this explained to you. YOu are either too stupid to understand it, or too “invested” (shall we say) to accept it. You never rebut anything; just keep bringing up the same stuff that destroys your argument - as we’ve already explained from the statutes and from other verifications.
The MDEC attorneys requested no fact of birth to be verified and the certifying statement in their letter of verification said “I certify that the information contained in the vital record on file with the Department of Health was used to verify the facts of the vital event.”
That’s a standard certifying statement and it was used even when there were NO “facts of the vital event” that were verified. That shows that the statement means, “If I verified any facts, it was from looking at the information in the vital record.” But they didn’t verify any birth facts. They verified the existence of a record, and they verified that the information on a White House BLOG page “matched” the information in the official record.
But “matches” is not the same thing as “is identical to”, because Onaka would not verify for KS SOS Kobach that the information was “identical”. AND he wouldn’t use the official White House web site for Kobach, either - switched it to refer to the White House BLOG page.
The MDEC letter of verification is totally worthless. We have no idea what “matches” means in Onaka’s mind but it clearly isn’t “identical”, which defies the point that MDEC tries to make. And even though MDEC told the HDOH they needed the letter of verification because Obama’s true birth facts are in question in the lawsuit, the MDEC attorneys were very, very careful to not ever ask for any true birth facts to actually be verified.
IF the claims were identical and IF the actual record was valid, this verification could legally mean something. But in other verifications Onaka revealed that neither “IF” was true. The claims are NOT identical, and the record is NOT valid.
The MDEC verification is a false flag, and the way they did it was actually what convinced me that they understood Obama’s BC to be non-valid, based on Onaka’s response to AZ SOS Bennett.
This has all been explained to you and you’re not going to budge because you’re a troll. WE all know that already. I say these things for the sake of any lurkers.
How do you know it’s him? The Obots are all basically the same in their style and substance. They’re easy to smell but hard to tell apart.
Tell me exactly how that letter of verification to MDEC would be any different if Obama’s BC at the HDOH was written in crayon on toilet paper 45 years after the birth.
Nobody respond to this guy until he does that. He keeps giving the same blather and we’re all wasting our time. If he wants to say that the verification verifies the existence of something more than a crayon & TP claim 45 years after the fact, then he needs to show what words on this verification would be different if it was a crayon/TP 45-year-late BC.
No, he was ASKED by KS to say “identical”. He wouldn’t.
I hate to say it, Buckeye, but you are probably correct on this. However I still think it's important for as much evidence as possible on Obama's background to be in the public domain for future historical research.
I just noticed something. The HDOH will never reference the actual White House file of the PDF. They always refer to the White House BLOG page. KS SOS Kris Kobach gave a link to the actual White House page where the PDF file could be viewed, and Onaka would not use that for his verification. The HDOH at http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html gives a link to the blog page, not the actual White House page with the file.
Interesting that the MDEC attorneys were 2 for 2 on the HDOH’s “hot buttons”. They used “matched” instead of “identical”, and they used the blog page instead of the WH file page. Interesting that Kobach wasn’t alerted of the particular verbiage necessary to squeak out a butt-covering response from the HDOH. Somebody’s falling down on the job.
The MDEC attorney is a Fogbower.
I sent $$ to Taitz until there were claims that I found to be credible that she had asked two witnesses to give false testimony and also she went off on a federal judge in an extremely foolish and legally suicidal manner.
Although I am not an attorney, I spent 5 years in civil court in Texas contesting custody and I picked up enough law to realize that, in fact, Taitz does NOT understand our Constitution or the difference between civil and criminal law.
The fact that the CA Bar has not disbarred her is proof of the corruption and crony-oriented protection of that bar.
Yes, at times simply on the matter of explaining the original meaning of NBC, Taitz has articulated the issue well on TV, but her manic persona and incompetent legal filings pushing the wrong claims in the wrong court with the wrong plaintiff undermines the credibility of “birthers” (constitutionalists) and has invited nationwide derision of same.
Also, nearly every time another activist gets in front of a judge anywhere in the country, Taitz zooms in and tries to grab the microphone and spotlight almost always with a half-baked court filing as well.
Bottom line: Taitz is not helping true patriots use the courts given to we the people in our Constitution, she is undermining use of the courts.
http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
VS.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate
Kansas to Onaka:
The information contained in the “Certificate of Live Birth” published at http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf and reviewed by you on the date of your verification, a copy of which is attached to this request, is identical to the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health
Onaka to Kansas
3. The information contained in the “Certificate of Live Birth” published at http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate and reviewed by me on the date of this verification, a copy of which is attached to your request, matches the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health.
Onaka to MDEC - Mississippi Democratic Party
2. The information contained in the “Certificate of Live Birth” published at http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate and reviewed by me on the date of this verification, a copy of which is attached to your request, matches the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health.
Figures. I wonder what his Freeper Troll name is?
Correction: I hand typed this post out and instead of copy and pasting and I see I made a mistake.
I missed the “www.” in the address below:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
VS.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate
The pattern of evasion by Onaka (substituting “matches” v. “identical”) is, IMO consistent with what Zullo and Arpaio have charged is a conspiracy in HI (DOH and Governors) to conceal the fact that prior to April 2011 that was no paper “original” Certificate of Live Birth in HI, as Abercrombie had said in January 2011.
I am suspecting that when no LFBC was found and the pressure from Corsi and Trump was mounting the conspirators allowed POTUS Obama to “find” a “copy” of his “original 1961 LFBC” most likely forged as a pdf in Chicago.
This 2011 forged pdf was then transported to HI DOH and placed in the vital records archive with a sworn statement from Obama that this was a “true and correct copy” of the BC that Ayers referred as being found with his immunization records to when he wrote Dreams for Barry.
Doesn’t HI law allow subsequent provision of “proof” of an HI birth if it is sworn to?
There could even be a secret “nunc pro tunc” (now for then) executive order signed by Governor Abercrombie directing that the 2011 pdf from Chicago be deemed an “original” that had been lost. The fake pdf would gain legal treatment as an original in the same way that a modified adoption certificate would be.
Given this hypothetical, Onaka could truthfully say that an original vital record is in the archive...originally created in 2011 in Chicago and deemed to be legally a 1961 document nunc pro tunc in April 2011.
Remember that Corsi’s PI in HI claimed that he had a mole in HI DOH who said that up until April 2011 there was no LFBC for Barry, but then suddenly one appeared in the archive. Then Barry’s personal lawyer flies out from DC to witness this magically appearing BC getting copied and certified (with a deniable Onaka signature stamp).
The Federal Rules of Evidence allow for cross-examination of the custodian of records, Onaka, as a challenge to prima facie acceptance if there is evidence that the record is not genuine, IIRC (IANAL). But any such cross-examination an only occur in a court and Barry has NEVER “produced” his HI LFBC in any court obviously to evade any testimony on the record as to the provenance of the WH pdf LFBC or the alleged “original” LFBC in possession of HI DOH or any comparison of the two.
State secretaries of state can only request certification from a co-equal state, they are not entitled to cross-examine of challenge the prima facie veracity of documents that another state certifies. Each is entitled to full faith and credit acceptance from other states, unlike federal courts. This convenient fact is, of course, known to Barry and his Chicago, HI and DNC co-conspirators.
Again, all of the above would be consistent with Zullo and Arpaio’s claim that HI officials are actively conspiring to defeat examination of the HI vital record in a court of law.
Thank you.
I knew it was a troll, thanks for the other info. I alerted mods, hit abuse, and told others.
So it’s a free for all here, I guess.
That's it in a nutshell. That is where we are. An R "leadership" and rank/file composed of capons, all effectively neutered.
What to do next.
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