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Team Arpaio: New Evidence Will Convince Greatest Skeptic Document Is 100% Forgery
BirtherReport.com ^ | January 27, 2013 | Unattributed/Mike Zullo

Posted on 01/27/2013 7:25:19 AM PST by Seizethecarp

Sheriff Joe Arpaio's lead Obama investigator Mike Zullo appeared on Carl Gallups' radio show Freedom Friday. Zullo repeated that the Obama investigation never stopped and that the only thing that stopped is the media coverage around the investigation....

Zullo says; "We are so convinced... let me go out on limb... I am going to put my reputation out there that we have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt--the higher standard--beyond a reasonable doubt that this document is an utter forgery."

Zullo also says; "the evidence we have acquired, new found evidence that we have never made public at any point in time, and we are not going to make public until we have the right opportunity, will convince even the greatest skeptic that this document is 100% a forgery."


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: arizona; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; joearpaio; mikezullo; naturalborncitizen; obama; sheriffjoe
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To: edge919

Because of harassment, Obama goes unchallenged?

Dim memories from the past:

“THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered...” Thomas Paine

Nathan Hale’s last words: “I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country.”


151 posted on 01/29/2013 2:09:33 AM PST by JohnnyP
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To: sten

there was a report that voting machines were seized in Maryland. Then, nuttin’ else.


152 posted on 01/29/2013 7:24:53 AM PST by stickywillie (was that a glimmer of hope, or is it just that Dale Carnegie Course?)
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To: stickywillie

i spoke with a dept of state lawyer that was a bit pissy... seems i’ve spoken with 5 different people over the passed few weeks and no one person is allowed to ‘dominate’ the resources of the office (i do 80-100 hrs/wk... a 15 min call doesn’t ‘dominate’ my week)

seems they’ve circled the wagons and candidates have no real documentation to file (a form, say/sign an oath attesting to eligibility, and pay a fee).

supposedly other agencies determine if the candidate is eligible (he rattled a list very fast... social security, irs, homeland security, and something about voter registration)

it would be nice to know exactly who does the verification of candidates... as it would be interesting to hear how they could have verified forged documents.


153 posted on 01/29/2013 8:37:32 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: stickywillie

actually, i just spoke w/ McCain’s office to see where he had to submit his information when he was running. they didn’t know and referred me to the RNC. i was able to reach a guy that was on his campaign staff and he said they didn’t have to turn over any such documentation (i found a wiki article that stated a senior staffer showed a wapo reporter)

he further stated that the RNC has decided to avoid any fight on the birth certificate as any cases brought are going nowhere (i pointed out how they’re never heard, just dismissed to avoid submitting into evidence any forged paperwork).

the RNC will continue to fight ‘on the issues’ (not going to work... as more ppl lose their jobs, more ppl will vote for govt support... ie: democrats).

so... it’s a loss.
no state agency or dept cares.
no federal dept or agency.
no judicial agency.
no one except a few crusty old Constitutional freepers

pretty much at the end of the line.

the Constitution is in breech...

it’s all down hill from here.


154 posted on 01/29/2013 9:40:53 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

The R party are all either complicit or cowards. They don’t give a rip. They’re self serving bastards. They’re letting the country go to hell hoping to save their own personal skins and wealth. It’s called appeasement. They’re utterly loathesome and they deserve to lose, as they have already. Lose becaues they exhibit no moral courage or pesronal or constitutional principles.

If that changes, they’ll will (bar massive election fraud; another issue they wilfully ignore).


155 posted on 01/29/2013 10:39:53 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ConstantSkeptic
As far as Arpaio, I think he has his own agenda. If he truly had evidence, then why hasn’t it gone anywhere?

Hey n00bie, there were hundreds of leftist SRM moles that went to Alaska in 2008 trying to dig up dirt on Gov Palin, but we STILL don't have a clue of where 0 bummer was born, his college records, his personal background, - on and on. You can post anything you want, but if it is not real, I don't care.

I have a birth certificate that has my footprint and my mother's thumb print from ST Johns Hospital in Taylor Texas. I don't think 0 bummer could ever produce one close to that if forced to do so and that really bothers me.

156 posted on 01/29/2013 12:19:50 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (0 bummer inherited a worse economy in 2012 than he did in 2008.)
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To: JohnnyP
Because of harassment, Obama goes unchallenged?

Sorry, but this is an oversimplification.

Dim memories from the past:

Dim seems an appropriate description. The Hale quote is really out of context because we're not talking about "one life."

157 posted on 01/29/2013 11:05:32 PM PST by edge919
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To: Seizethecarp

If Zullo believes so strongly in his, and Arpaio’s evidence and really wants to get this out publicly and at a judicial level he would be willing to help Orly Taize in her upcoming USSC hearing she has scheduled with Roberts supposedly presenting her case/charges. I know many people poo-poo Tatz but at least she is biting at the butt of Obama and not just bemoaning that he is a usurper.


158 posted on 01/30/2013 12:08:04 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: edge919

Wow, this is like birther whack-a-mole. May I appeal or is there threat of sanction?


159 posted on 01/30/2013 3:23:03 AM PST by JohnnyP
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To: noinfringers2

Taitz’s appeal is not being “heard.” There is no SCOTUS hearing on Feb 15. IMO, there will only be a cursory routine distribution at conference of her appeal followed almost certainly with no action and no comment thus leaving the lower court dismissal in place.

Taitz is relentless, but relentlessly incompetent and persistently confused about the difference between criminal and civil law in her filings. Neither she nor her financial backers seem to care, for some reason (delusional or tactical).


160 posted on 01/30/2013 12:58:43 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: edge919
(CS) There have been three times in which Hawaii has made official verifications of the information on the birth certificate.

(edge919) None of those three rise to standards of the Federal Rules of Evidence in certifying the document as CORRECT.

(CS) The State of Hawaii has verified that the information on the posted long form birth certificate matches the information on Obama's original Certificate of Live Birth. This is not rocket science. Any court will accept the verification as prima facie evidence of the details of the data verified. You're not comparing dollar bills, you're comparing information. "August 4, 1961" on the posted long form matches the "August 4, 1961" on the original Certificate of Live Birth. It's the information which matters and that is what Hawaii has verified.

(edge919) The MDEC was not "required" submit a letter of verification from the state of Hawaii, but they did. But they shouldn't have to ask for a letter of verification to begin with because their buddy and co-defendant Obama should have a spare copy of his alleged certified hard copy of his B/C. He claimed to have obtained TWO copies in April 2011. That's what the extra copy was for, wasn't it?? To submit in court where it has been challenged. Why did he need two if he's not going to use EITHER??

(CS) While Obama may be listed as a defendent in this suit, I don't believe he was ever successfully served by Dr. Taitz, so legally he is not a defendent at this point.

Dr. Taitz included a poor copy of Obama's long form birth certificate in one of her motions. The lawyers for the MDEC included a more legible copy of the LFBC with their reply, which led Dr. Taitz to ask the court to sanction the lawyers for submitting a forged document. I doubt the lawyers considered asking Obama (who was not their client not a legal part of the lawsuit at this point) for one of his copies of the LFBC. Instead the lawyers asked the State of Hawaii, the official record keeper, for a verification of the information contained on the copy of the LFBC that the lawyers had given to Mississippi. Lawyers ask states for documentation every day. This is just standard operating procedure, not a big deal.

(CS) So yes, if Obama is ever REQUIRED by a court to produce a certified copy of his birth certificate, I believe he will do so.

(edge919) You still haven't explained why you have such an irrational belief. Have you not seen Obama go out of his way to avoid presenting this document in court?? You're like Charlie Brown expecting Obama to actually hold the football for you to kick.

(CS) Irrational? Let's see, Obama is the first president to produce both his Certificate of Live Birth and his Long Form Birth Certificate. Hawaii has stated that Obama was born there and has produced three verifications of Obama's birth. Yeah, they're all trying to hide something.

161 posted on 01/30/2013 5:40:03 PM PST by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: ConstantSkeptic
"Obama is the first president to produce both his Certificate of Live Birth and his Long Form Birth Certificate."

No he did not.

His own lawyer wouldn't let him hold the piece of paper at that press conference to defraud the American public.

WHERE IS THAT CERTIFIED BC (Long or short) with requisite seals?

162 posted on 01/30/2013 6:04:29 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: ConstantSkeptic
The State of Hawaii has verified that the information on the posted long form birth certificate matches the information on Obama's original Certificate of Live Birth."

Onaka wrote:

“I verify that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama that you attached with your request matches the original record in our file”.

Onaka wrote "original record" not "original birth certificate." Stop misquoting him.

The "original record" could be anything but an "original birth certificate." The information could have come from Obama himself to get a non-valid COLB.

163 posted on 01/30/2013 6:33:49 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: little jeremiah
"Yeah, you’re really “concerned” all right. Troll. I vote retread."

Definitely a Retread Troll.

164 posted on 01/30/2013 6:41:22 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Seizethecarp; LucyT; butterdezillion; null and void

“It’s going to get wild.”

PING

Most of Communism’s 45 goals to take down America have been met

http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2013/130130/news-communism.html

SNIP

Zullo said the White House and Hawaii officials conspired to create a record that was never there.

He also said there is no evidence Obama was in Hawaii before age five and there is no evidence as to who his parents are.

“We have a list of people who need to be compelled to talk,” said Zullo, adding, “This investigation isn’t over. I can’t talk much more about where we’re going. It’s going to get wild.”

Zullo said, “You guys aren’t conspiracy nuts. You know the truth,” and brought up “gaslighting,” a form of psychological abuse where false information is presented with the intent of making the victims doubt themselves and which can be done on a mass scale.

He said, “The media has been using this for decades.”


165 posted on 01/30/2013 7:06:40 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

I suggest that you take a look at the Verification of Birth (http://www.scribd.com/doc/96200621/2012-06-06-MDEC-Motion-to-Supplement-Response-to-Motion-for-Sanctions-S-D-Miss) that the State of Hawaii provided to the attorneys for the Mississippi Democratic Party. In it Onaka wrote:

Pursuant to Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-14.3, I verify the following:

1. The original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II, is on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health.

2. The information contained in the “Certificate of Live Birth” published at http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate and reviewed by me on the date of this verification, a copy of which is attached to your request, matches the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health.

Moreover, above his signature, it states:

I certify that the information contained in the vital record on file with the Department of Health was used to verify the facts of the vital event.


166 posted on 01/30/2013 7:42:09 PM PST by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: Smokeyblue

I notice the troll is still here. I alerted mods, I wonder if they’re paying attention.

I just found a mozlem troll on this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2983557/posts?page=34

Calls himself “Last Prophet” and the one comment I saw was obviously mozlem troll. 2 week old or so signup date.


167 posted on 01/30/2013 8:20:42 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Smokeyblue

Thanks for the ping!


168 posted on 01/30/2013 8:33:44 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: ConstantSkeptic
The State of Hawaii has verified that the information on the posted long form birth certificate matches the information on Obama's original Certificate of Live Birth.

This is a LEGALLY meaningless claim. Again, the FRE requires that the record be certified as CORRECT. Second the law in Hawaii says the existence of a record shall be verified through a letter of verification or any other facts, as stated by the applicant. Asking if information "matches" doesn't amount to stating specific FACTS for verifiation. It's a good dog and pony show, but it is NOT a legal verification in accordance with either the Federal Rules of Evidence or Hawaii's own statute on letters of verification. Having a record on file with matching information doesn't say whether the information on file is CORRECT. That's what a certified birth certificate is designed to do, but a letter of verification falls way short of certifying birth facts when they are not specifically stated. Let this sink in to your head.

Irrational? Let's see, Obama is the first president to produce both his Certificate of Live Birth and his Long Form Birth Certificate.

Actually, this simply isn't true. Eisenhower obtained a birth certificate prior to running for president. Yes, Obama is the first to have jpgs and PDFs posted on a website, but this doesn't say anything about whether he will actually present these alleged documents in a court of law, especially when he's already refused to do so in dozens of previous opportunites. So AGAIN, why this irrational belief??

169 posted on 01/30/2013 8:39:08 PM PST by edge919
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To: JohnnyP
Wow, this is like birther whack-a-mole. May I appeal or is there threat of sanction?

What on God's green earth is "birther whack-a-mole"?? What the hell does an appeal have to do with anything?? And what threats of sanctions?? Earth to Johnny, time to bring yourself out of the clouds.

170 posted on 01/30/2013 8:45:24 PM PST by edge919
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To: Essie

“They are simply doing the work that the bogus mainstream media should have done. “

What work? Nothing has come of it. Lots of promises, but no results.


171 posted on 01/30/2013 8:57:28 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: little jeremiah; Smokeyblue
I notice the troll is still here. I alerted mods, I wonder if they’re paying attention.

The born on date and posting history are a dead give away. I'm trying to figure out if the screen name is the result of cynicism or pathological narcissism.
172 posted on 01/30/2013 9:11:45 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: edge919

There was a challenge that was withdrawn because of harassment.

The founders of this country were harassed, but some gave all in the effort to throw off the tyrant of the day.

You dismissed my metaphors to that period in the same manner as an Obot judge dismisses a birther case.


173 posted on 01/30/2013 9:24:14 PM PST by JohnnyP
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To: JohnnyP
There was a challenge that was withdrawn because of harassment.

Yes, harassment of people who weren't involved in the challenge.

The founders of this country were harassed, but some gave all in the effort to throw off the tyrant of the day.

Right, they banded together. Nobody banded together in the challenge that was made.

You dismissed my metaphors to that period in the same manner as an Obot judge dismisses a birther case.

No, I dismissed your metaphors to that period because they are poor metaphors for this situation. You dismissed my metaphors to that period in the same manner as an Obot judge dismisses a birther case.

174 posted on 01/30/2013 9:35:02 PM PST by edge919
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To: edge919

Isn’t that type of harassment a crime?

Where can we read the story?


175 posted on 01/30/2013 9:58:00 PM PST by JohnnyP
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To: JohnnyP
Isn’t that type of harassment a crime?

I didn't list a "type" of harassment. Not all types rise to a level of explicit criminal activity, although that doesn't mean it's acceptable or proper behavior.

Where can we read the story?

There are stories posted in several places. Google is your friend.

176 posted on 01/30/2013 10:10:42 PM PST by edge919
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To: PA Engineer

There’s another troll with a name sort of like that one - oh yeah, Conscience of a Conservative. Trolls like these aren’t banned any more for some reason; the mozlem one I found is still here. Maybe mods are bizzy.


177 posted on 01/30/2013 11:06:50 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Seizethecarp

I don’t view Taitz and her followers as you do. I believe that with the job Obama and his enablers have done to obfuscate his history any light on such is like the drip-drip of a water pipe that will eventually lead to the big leak. There are quite a few others that push the same agenda as Taitz from their own baseline and perspective. I tend to believe that all these people including Taitz are honest and wanting the best for the USA as to It’s Constitutional foundation and are willing to give more effort for such a goal than others. As for me they should not be derided as long as they are on a patriot’s true and legitimate path. They are no more fools than other persons I look to for honest information.


178 posted on 01/30/2013 11:11:57 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: edge919

No, you’re wrong about the authority of a verification letter. As I said, I am not a lawyer, so I will instead quote from the lawyers who requested the verification (see http://www.scribd.com/doc/96289285/Mississippi-Democratic-Party-Motion-v-Taitz):

The Hawaii Verification, which (a) contains the seal of the Hawaii State Department of Health (an agency of a state of the United States), and (b) was executed via signature and initials by Dr. Onaka, is self-authenticating pursuant to Fed. R. Evid. 902. Moreover, the Hawaii DOH Verification is not subject to the hearsay rule pursuant to Fed. R. Evid. 803 (9). That Dr. Onaka is the Hawaii State Registrar with authority to provide information regarding vital records on file with the Hawaii Department of Health is an undisputed fact.

The Hawaii verification provides official confirmation that the “information” – i.e., each and every vital fact of President Obama’s birth stated in the LFBC posted at whitehouse.gov – is the same information contained in his original LFBC on file with the department. As such, the Hawaii Verification – with under Haw. Rev. Stat. § 338-14.3 (b) “shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and the facts of the event are as stated by the application” – clearly establishes the veracity of the LFBC posted at whitehouse.gov and confirms that no fraud occurred either in the posting of the document on whitehouse.gov or in MDEC Counsel’s submission of a copy of the LFBC as an exhibit in these proceedings. See, e.g., In re Doe, 981 P.2d 723 (Haw. Ct. App. 1999) (”to verify includes to confirm or establish the truth or truthfulness of; to confirm or establish the authenticity of; to authenticate.”) (internal quotations omitted); Amfac, Inc. v. Waikiki Beachcomber Inv. Co., 839 P.2d 10 (Haw. 1992) (”Verification” is defined as “evidence that establishes or confirms... accuracy or truth...” or “the process... required to prove or establish authenticity or validity.” Webster’s Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language 1587 (1989). To “verify” means “[t]o prove to be true; to confirm or establish the truth or truthfulness of; to check or test the accuracy or exactness of; to confirm or establish the authenticity of; to authenticate... Black’s Law Dictionary 1561 (6th ed. 1990).”).


179 posted on 01/31/2013 3:21:04 AM PST by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: ConstantSkeptic

I started posting on this thread because I am fed up with folks like Zullo stringing people along.


The reason I joined the Free Republic was to ‘expose’ ConstantSkeptic. Ladies and Gentlemen, he is a member of Fogbow who goes by the poster name ‘Epectitus’. He also goes by the name ‘HistorianDude’ on other internet forums defending Obama’s eligibility. He also wrote ‘The Annotated Zullo’ a 50 page detailed hit piece slamming lead investigator Mike Zullo’s Cold Case Posse evidence on Obama’s fraudulent Birth Certificate and Selective Service Registration U.S. Postal Pica Date Stamp. I knew right off it was him by his addicting constant habit of posting on nothing but Obama’s eligibility threads compiled with his smart eleck attitude towards others who disagree with him. It was a dead give away. I had to act.


180 posted on 01/31/2013 3:21:31 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
There are plenty of Fogbow trolls here on Freerepublic.

Don't expect the management to take any action.

181 posted on 01/31/2013 3:36:42 AM PST by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
The reason I joined the Free Republic was to `expose' ConstantSkeptic.

The best thing to do is leave that behind and join other discussions on other threads. If this fogbow (don't know what that is) group doesn't have correct facts to counter the birthers, then they will expose themselves.

182 posted on 01/31/2013 3:55:37 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Smokeyblue
Onaka wrote "original record" not "original birth certificate." Stop misquoting him.

Onaka wrote "information... matches the original record" to Arizona. To Kansas he wrote "information...is identical to the information contained in the original CoLB for BHO, II on file with the State of HI DoH". Not a misquote.

183 posted on 01/31/2013 4:01:59 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
"He also wrote ‘The Annotated Zullo’ a 50 page detailed hit piece slamming lead investigator Mike Zullo’s Cold Case Posse evidence"

His calling Zullo a con-man is so absurd and over the top that it figures he wrote some pathetic diatribe to slander him.

Thanks for the information.

184 posted on 01/31/2013 7:35:33 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: ConstantSkeptic; palmer; butterdezillion

There is no need to respond to you two but for the lurkers out there, here is a link to explain the issue as written by Butterdezillion:

An article which helps explain why neither MDEC’s verification nor Kobach’s means anything:

http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/wheel-of-fortune-v-family-feud-final.pdf

Link to the PDF: http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/kansas-verification.pdf

Link to Klayman’s letter, which Kobach received on Sept 7th: http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/complete-klayman-letter-to-bauer.pdf

And a previous thread about the topic.

Kansas Verification Works for Non-Valid Record Too

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2934384/posts


185 posted on 01/31/2013 8:02:36 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

You’re kindly welcome.


186 posted on 01/31/2013 8:30:08 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: sten

Sounds like the RNC knows the judges have all been threatened.

Maybe because the leadership of the RNC has also been threatened...

If so, though, they know that they won’t be able to do anything “on the issues” either. The same threat that stops everybody on eligibility can stop them on anything. That’s what Glenn Beck found out at Fox. First he was told he couldn’t allow anybody to speak about eligibility, and then when it couldn’t be avoided any more he was presumably told he had to mock the “birthers”. And he did as he was told, focusing instead on other issues like Obama’s connections with Soros and Soros’ connections with both the Muslims and communists. Eventually they threatened his secretary’s life so constantly that he decided he couldn’t in good conscience keep talking about those things on Fox because he was jeopardizing her life. So he left Fox. The only way he could talk about the things that matter is if he was independent. Like Breitbart was independent. Note the “was”.

But I can tell him right now that being independent doesn’t do it either, unless you also do your own distribution, because the 2 leading radio distribution companies were also threatened. Ruh’s EIB Network is independent, but because he depends on Clear Channel to distribute his program, he can’t say whatever he wants either - not if he wants to continue in the business.

Appeasing a tyrant on this one - tee hee - silly, unimportant, nut-job - issue basically tells everybody that you’re for sale, and simply haggling over the price. They’ll up the price whenever they want as long as they have you over a barrel.

And Soros’ communist-Islamist alliance has the judges, RNC, and Congress over a barrel. I believe it is a threat of another run on the bank to collapse the US economy.

Did it sound to you like the RNC was calling the lawsuits stupid, or was saying that there was no will to uphold the law, or what? Were they acting like the “birthers” are the problem, or like the judges are the problem?


187 posted on 01/31/2013 8:55:44 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: ConstantSkeptic

You’ve had all this explained to you. YOu are either too stupid to understand it, or too “invested” (shall we say) to accept it. You never rebut anything; just keep bringing up the same stuff that destroys your argument - as we’ve already explained from the statutes and from other verifications.

The MDEC attorneys requested no fact of birth to be verified and the certifying statement in their letter of verification said “I certify that the information contained in the vital record on file with the Department of Health was used to verify the facts of the vital event.”

That’s a standard certifying statement and it was used even when there were NO “facts of the vital event” that were verified. That shows that the statement means, “If I verified any facts, it was from looking at the information in the vital record.” But they didn’t verify any birth facts. They verified the existence of a record, and they verified that the information on a White House BLOG page “matched” the information in the official record.

But “matches” is not the same thing as “is identical to”, because Onaka would not verify for KS SOS Kobach that the information was “identical”. AND he wouldn’t use the official White House web site for Kobach, either - switched it to refer to the White House BLOG page.

The MDEC letter of verification is totally worthless. We have no idea what “matches” means in Onaka’s mind but it clearly isn’t “identical”, which defies the point that MDEC tries to make. And even though MDEC told the HDOH they needed the letter of verification because Obama’s true birth facts are in question in the lawsuit, the MDEC attorneys were very, very careful to not ever ask for any true birth facts to actually be verified.

IF the claims were identical and IF the actual record was valid, this verification could legally mean something. But in other verifications Onaka revealed that neither “IF” was true. The claims are NOT identical, and the record is NOT valid.

The MDEC verification is a false flag, and the way they did it was actually what convinced me that they understood Obama’s BC to be non-valid, based on Onaka’s response to AZ SOS Bennett.

This has all been explained to you and you’re not going to budge because you’re a troll. WE all know that already. I say these things for the sake of any lurkers.


188 posted on 01/31/2013 9:14:34 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

How do you know it’s him? The Obots are all basically the same in their style and substance. They’re easy to smell but hard to tell apart.


189 posted on 01/31/2013 9:21:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: ConstantSkeptic; All

Tell me exactly how that letter of verification to MDEC would be any different if Obama’s BC at the HDOH was written in crayon on toilet paper 45 years after the birth.

Nobody respond to this guy until he does that. He keeps giving the same blather and we’re all wasting our time. If he wants to say that the verification verifies the existence of something more than a crayon & TP claim 45 years after the fact, then he needs to show what words on this verification would be different if it was a crayon/TP 45-year-late BC.


190 posted on 01/31/2013 9:27:49 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: palmer

No, he was ASKED by KS to say “identical”. He wouldn’t.


191 posted on 01/31/2013 9:30:20 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Actually what she said was, "What difference, at this point, does it make?" And that would be more applicable here. He's the sitting POTUS for a second time. Short of impeachment, successful quo warranto, or death, he ain't goin' anywhere.

I hate to say it, Buckeye, but you are probably correct on this. However I still think it's important for as much evidence as possible on Obama's background to be in the public domain for future historical research.

192 posted on 01/31/2013 10:59:41 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Smokeyblue

I just noticed something. The HDOH will never reference the actual White House file of the PDF. They always refer to the White House BLOG page. KS SOS Kris Kobach gave a link to the actual White House page where the PDF file could be viewed, and Onaka would not use that for his verification. The HDOH at http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html gives a link to the blog page, not the actual White House page with the file.

Interesting that the MDEC attorneys were 2 for 2 on the HDOH’s “hot buttons”. They used “matched” instead of “identical”, and they used the blog page instead of the WH file page. Interesting that Kobach wasn’t alerted of the particular verbiage necessary to squeak out a butt-covering response from the HDOH. Somebody’s falling down on the job.

The MDEC attorney is a Fogbower.


193 posted on 01/31/2013 11:57:49 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: noinfringers2

I sent $$ to Taitz until there were claims that I found to be credible that she had asked two witnesses to give false testimony and also she went off on a federal judge in an extremely foolish and legally suicidal manner.

Although I am not an attorney, I spent 5 years in civil court in Texas contesting custody and I picked up enough law to realize that, in fact, Taitz does NOT understand our Constitution or the difference between civil and criminal law.

The fact that the CA Bar has not disbarred her is proof of the corruption and crony-oriented protection of that bar.

Yes, at times simply on the matter of explaining the original meaning of NBC, Taitz has articulated the issue well on TV, but her manic persona and incompetent legal filings pushing the wrong claims in the wrong court with the wrong plaintiff undermines the credibility of “birthers” (constitutionalists) and has invited nationwide derision of same.

Also, nearly every time another activist gets in front of a judge anywhere in the country, Taitz zooms in and tries to grab the microphone and spotlight almost always with a half-baked court filing as well.

Bottom line: Taitz is not helping true patriots use the courts given to we the people in our Constitution, she is undermining use of the courts.


194 posted on 01/31/2013 12:05:48 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: butterdezillion
Yep.

http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

VS.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate

Kansas to Onaka:

The information contained in the “Certificate of Live Birth” published at http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf and reviewed by you on the date of your verification, a copy of which is attached to this request, is identical to the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health

Onaka to Kansas

3. The information contained in the “Certificate of Live Birth” published at http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate and reviewed by me on the date of this verification, a copy of which is attached to your request, matches the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health.

Onaka to MDEC - Mississippi Democratic Party

2. The information contained in the “Certificate of Live Birth” published at http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate and reviewed by me on the date of this verification, a copy of which is attached to your request, matches the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health.

195 posted on 01/31/2013 1:22:48 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: butterdezillion
"The MDEC attorney is a Fogbower."

Figures. I wonder what his Freeper Troll name is?

196 posted on 01/31/2013 1:25:15 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Correction: I hand typed this post out and instead of copy and pasting and I see I made a mistake.

I missed the “www.” in the address below:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

VS.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate


197 posted on 01/31/2013 1:33:04 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue; butterdezillion; edge919; rxsid; LucyT; Red Steel; null and void

The pattern of evasion by Onaka (substituting “matches” v. “identical”) is, IMO consistent with what Zullo and Arpaio have charged is a conspiracy in HI (DOH and Governors) to conceal the fact that prior to April 2011 that was no paper “original” Certificate of Live Birth in HI, as Abercrombie had said in January 2011.

I am suspecting that when no LFBC was found and the pressure from Corsi and Trump was mounting the conspirators allowed POTUS Obama to “find” a “copy” of his “original 1961 LFBC” most likely forged as a pdf in Chicago.

This 2011 forged pdf was then transported to HI DOH and placed in the vital records archive with a sworn statement from Obama that this was a “true and correct copy” of the BC that Ayers referred as being found with his immunization records to when he wrote Dreams for Barry.

Doesn’t HI law allow subsequent provision of “proof” of an HI birth if it is sworn to?

There could even be a secret “nunc pro tunc” (now for then) executive order signed by Governor Abercrombie directing that the 2011 pdf from Chicago be deemed an “original” that had been lost. The fake pdf would gain legal treatment as an original in the same way that a modified adoption certificate would be.

Given this hypothetical, Onaka could truthfully say that an original vital record is in the archive...originally created in 2011 in Chicago and deemed to be legally a 1961 document nunc pro tunc in April 2011.

Remember that Corsi’s PI in HI claimed that he had a mole in HI DOH who said that up until April 2011 there was no LFBC for Barry, but then suddenly one appeared in the archive. Then Barry’s personal lawyer flies out from DC to witness this magically appearing BC getting copied and certified (with a deniable Onaka signature stamp).

The Federal Rules of Evidence allow for cross-examination of the custodian of records, Onaka, as a challenge to prima facie acceptance if there is evidence that the record is not genuine, IIRC (IANAL). But any such cross-examination an only occur in a court and Barry has NEVER “produced” his HI LFBC in any court obviously to evade any testimony on the record as to the provenance of the WH pdf LFBC or the alleged “original” LFBC in possession of HI DOH or any comparison of the two.

State secretaries of state can only request certification from a co-equal state, they are not entitled to cross-examine of challenge the prima facie veracity of documents that another state certifies. Each is entitled to full faith and credit acceptance from other states, unlike federal courts. This convenient fact is, of course, known to Barry and his Chicago, HI and DNC co-conspirators.

Again, all of the above would be consistent with Zullo and Arpaio’s claim that HI officials are actively conspiring to defeat examination of the HI vital record in a court of law.


198 posted on 01/31/2013 2:37:41 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Thank you.

I knew it was a troll, thanks for the other info. I alerted mods, hit abuse, and told others.

So it’s a free for all here, I guess.


199 posted on 01/31/2013 2:58:44 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: butterdezillion
If so, though, they know that they won’t be able to do anything “on the issues” either. The same threat that stops everybody on eligibility can stop them on anything.

That's it in a nutshell. That is where we are. An R "leadership" and rank/file composed of capons, all effectively neutered.

What to do next.

200 posted on 01/31/2013 3:01:58 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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