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Gun Owners Worry New Proposals Could Make Millions Of Americans Criminals (Everything Class III?)
The Raleigh Telegram ^ | January 10, 2013 | Staff

Posted on 01/10/2013 12:13:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

RALEIGH – Many North Carolina gun owners and gun enthusiasts are worried that new gun proposals that go far beyond an assault rifle ban would make many of the otherwise law abiding 80 million Americans who are gun owners into criminals if they do not register their weapons with federal authorities.

National and international media reports have stated that the White House under a committee led by Vice President Joe Biden is going to seek sweeping changes in how guns are registered, sold, and taxed in the wake of the Newton, Connecticut school shooting.

Under the potential proposals which have yet to be officially announced, all firearms would be required to be registered in a national database that would keep track of all guns and who owns them. The database would include all new guns but also would include all guns that have been sold in the past, as there would be no “grandfather” clause in the new proposals.

In addition, one gun shop operator told the Telegram that the proposals could basically treat all firearms as “class three” weapons.

This would mean that they would be tracked in a national database, that there would be a substantial tax on the guns, and that they could not be passed from generation to generation as they would be destroyed upon the death of the registered owner. In addition, it would be a federal crime to transfer the guns or even to own them without having them registered, even if they were legally obtained...

(Excerpt) Read more at raleightelegram.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloodoftyrants; congress; democrats; donttreadonme; gunconfiscation; guncontrol; gunregistration; nocompromise; obama; rtkba; secondamendment; tyranny; wewillnotcomply; youwillnotdisarmus
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"It's for the children."
1 posted on 01/10/2013 12:14:01 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Won’t happen.

Unless we let it.

Oh, forgot, we’ve got “B*ll-less Bonehead.”

Oh noes, oh noes........


2 posted on 01/10/2013 12:16:17 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Brighten up, Comrade the vodka rations will numb all discontent.


3 posted on 01/10/2013 12:17:28 PM PST by Sybeck1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Don't care what they do. I won't comply.

/johnny

4 posted on 01/10/2013 12:18:05 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We need a 5 Million Gun Owner march asap on DC


5 posted on 01/10/2013 12:18:16 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Like I've said before, the law of unintended consequences, if I'm going to be a criminal risking hard time for a piddly banana clip or some gun that “looks scary”, I might as go all out, ignore every other gun law and mod all my semi's to full auto. In for a penny, in for a pound as they say...
6 posted on 01/10/2013 12:20:14 PM PST by apillar
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To: GlockThe Vote

Hows January 20th sound?


7 posted on 01/10/2013 12:22:20 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The idiot left would just love a national gun registration database, wouldn’t they. That way, instead of just releasing all of the names and addresses from one city or one county or one state, they could publish a nationwide list of gun owners in order to endanger and “shame” us all.

Screw that! I trust they know where they can shove that national gun registry.


8 posted on 01/10/2013 12:23:13 PM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: apillar
...and that they could not be passed from generation to generation as they would be destroyed upon the death of the registered owner.

Bwhaaa haaa haa! Could you imagine the huge percentage that would turn up "missing" right after the owners death?? What fools these people are, they don't even understand human nature!

9 posted on 01/10/2013 12:23:31 PM PST by apillar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A “good friend of mine” has seven weapons. The last of these was purchased in 1958. Somehow, I don’t think Obama will be able to find out about these. I wonder how many hundred million more weapons also fit into this category?


10 posted on 01/10/2013 12:24:03 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s “Title II” not Class III.

I formed several gun trusts last year just for this eventuality.


11 posted on 01/10/2013 12:25:21 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: XenaLee
The idiot left would just love a national gun registration database, wouldn’t they. That way, instead of just releasing all of the names and addresses from one city or one county or one state, they could publish a nationwide list of gun owners in order to endanger and “shame” us all.

In my area of rural West Virginia it would be much easier to print a list of those who don't own guns (but maybe it would shame them into buying one).

12 posted on 01/10/2013 12:25:42 PM PST by apillar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they start going to peoples houses who haven’t complied, I was just wondering how many people there are out there, who might be pretty good at setting up lethal booby traps and trip wires. Does anyone think many would resort to that? I wonder.


13 posted on 01/10/2013 12:26:26 PM PST by ZX12R
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Biden: "If you don't register your guns, the government will confiscate them"
January 10, 2013 | The Interwebs

Apparently, BrainDamage Biden just spouted this off on the radio in the last couple of hours...

14 posted on 01/10/2013 12:27:17 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They want everyone on the criminal list because it gives them great power to selectively enforce the laws against those viewed as requiring a cage. Step out of line, and the man comes and takes you away.


15 posted on 01/10/2013 12:27:54 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The first step Hitler imposed on the jews was to have them register their names, family members and addresses on a national list.
16 posted on 01/10/2013 12:28:26 PM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Would that make us easier to round up? As hard as it is (& expensive) to travel to a protest far away, I’ve often thought that people should line the nearest main street to their home or work at a given time, on a given day- enough so the local media would have to cover it, as a display of support or dissent on a given issue. Not as a protest per se, & only with the occasional signage to clarify the position, but as an unspinnable (or corruptible) visible accounting.
It’s sad that it’s come to this, but visible physical presence is about the only way the truth could be seen. Our media, polls, & even elections, lie way too often.


17 posted on 01/10/2013 12:29:42 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wow, pissin on the 2nd and the 5th.


18 posted on 01/10/2013 12:32:34 PM PST by wrench
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To: t1b8zs

We need to move on this fast.


19 posted on 01/10/2013 12:32:43 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s what they do. They pass laws that “make” legal behavior illegal, then they arrest the honest, law-abiding people and crow that they have solved the problem.

Meanwhile, they deliberately and intentionally leave illegal guns in the hands of the violent criminals who have more rights than the honest people.

How many people have been convicted for having a gun in their airline baggage which they genuinely forgot about?


20 posted on 01/10/2013 12:34:03 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: KGeorge
I’ve often thought that people should line the nearest main street to their home or work at a given time, on a given day

I think that's what the 19 January thing is all about.
"Gun Appreciation Day" or somesuch.

21 posted on 01/10/2013 12:34:18 PM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: t1b8zs; GlockThe Vote
"Hows January 20th sound?"

That sounds wonderful, but it would take an organization like the NRA or GOA to organize it and, so far, nothing like that is planned. If they don't, it may soon be too late for demonstrations.

22 posted on 01/10/2013 12:34:35 PM PST by Truth29
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To: ZX12R
If they start going to peoples houses who haven’t complied, I was just wondering how many people there are out there, who might be pretty good at setting up lethal booby traps and trip wires. Does anyone think many would resort to that? I wonder.

There are many of these deep, dark "hollers" here in West Virginia where you might have fifty homes, however they are really only several highly intermarried families. Everybody knows what's going on and who comes and goes. Now what do you think is going to happen the first time a dozen ATF agents come tooling up in their SUV's thinking they are going to raid some lone hicks guns, only to find a legion of heavily armed rednecks who know the area a heck of a lot better than them descending on them from all directions.(I'll give you a clue, read up on what happened to some of the "revenuer's" during prohibition) It's not a matter of if it will happen, but when...

23 posted on 01/10/2013 12:35:26 PM PST by apillar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t have time to search and see if this has been posted. It needs to be.

Obamacare Amendment Forbids Gun and Ammo Registration
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/09/Backfire-Obamacare-Forbids-Gun-and-Ammo-Registration


24 posted on 01/10/2013 12:35:37 PM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>> 80 million Americans who are gun owners into criminals if they do not register their weapons with federal authorities.

Unless I’m mistaken, all or substantially all of this new gun owner criminal class are over 18 and not felons — and thus eligible to vote.

Obama got about 66 million votes in ‘12.

This is dangerous electoral math territory for the ‘Rats.


25 posted on 01/10/2013 12:35:53 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This crap won’t get thru Congress. If the President tries to order it, Congress will overturn it. There are far too many gun owners who WILL vote single issue if need be, and the democrats know it.


26 posted on 01/10/2013 12:36:40 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

27 posted on 01/10/2013 12:37:55 PM PST by EEGator
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To: kiryandil
Biden: "If you don't register your guns, the government will confiscate them"

January 10, 2013 | The Interwebs

Apparently, BrainDamage Biden just spouted this off on the radio in the last couple of hours...

I'm starting to think Biden is the best friend we have, he's managed to fire up the movement in the last couple days like not even Obama could. (By the way Biden, if we DON'T register them, then you will have no way to find them, idiot.)

28 posted on 01/10/2013 12:38:32 PM PST by apillar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Someone has convinced Obama this will be no different than the Whiskey Rebellion.

Hooboy, don’t think so.


29 posted on 01/10/2013 12:44:14 PM PST by wrench
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To: norwaypinesavage
Somehow, I don’t think Obama will be able to find out about these.

Depends on how thick your walls are.

Scanner Vans Allow Drive-By Snooping

30 posted on 01/10/2013 12:44:23 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Vice President Joe Biden is going to seek sweeping changes in how guns are registered, sold, and taxed in the wake of the Newton, Connecticut school shooting.

Nothing makes Obama and this corrupt Government happier than when they can ca$h in on a tragedy.

31 posted on 01/10/2013 12:45:51 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Class III?


32 posted on 01/10/2013 12:46:56 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is a move to repeal NFA (highly restricted weapons regulation) as unconstitutional.
The _Heller_ case deemed handguns Constitutionally protected.
Expanding NFA to include handguns will make it easy to eliminate NFA altogether.


33 posted on 01/10/2013 12:48:52 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: Truth29

Tea party got two million people into DC for protests on just 3 days notice.
Just give us a reason and a date.


34 posted on 01/10/2013 12:51:00 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: grobdriver

I haven’t heard about that, More info?


35 posted on 01/10/2013 12:54:34 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Class III? Or how about this one:

Tragically, I lost both my babies in a boating accident, I shall never see them again!

36 posted on 01/10/2013 12:56:08 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: GlockThe Vote
We need a 5 Million Gun Owner march asap on DC.

Armed!

Well, the consequences of doing so might exceed the power of the statement, but it would definitely make a statement!

37 posted on 01/10/2013 1:03:03 PM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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38 posted on 01/10/2013 1:04:13 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: Truth29

There is actually going to be a Pro-Gun march on The Mall the week before the Inauguration.


39 posted on 01/10/2013 1:06:52 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So if they pass a law like this, does it make me a criminal, or does it confirm the one who passed it is one?

Seeing how who passes it is given authority by the Constitution that the law would be clearly violating, I really do not see such a law as binding and valid.

It is just a declaration of war on the Republic by some very evil men who have no authority by law. Shame on them.


40 posted on 01/10/2013 1:15:17 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: XenaLee

It’’s not to shame or endanger us, but to CONTROL us!


41 posted on 01/10/2013 1:24:14 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: EEGator

These same liberals who say, “Think of the children,” have no problems killing unborn children in their mothers’ wombs.....55 million children killed by abortion since 1973 and counting.


42 posted on 01/10/2013 1:29:09 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: KGeorge
This what I can find quickly

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-17961.html

In which we find (search on Clinton in the text):
"Anyways, I had to sell it shortly after because Bill Clinton was an idiot and made this shotgun a class 3 item and I was not 21 at the time."

Other details are probably out there, somewhere.

43 posted on 01/10/2013 1:46:52 PM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: grobdriver

grobdriver, did you mean this post for me? The question I had asked was for more information re Gun Appreciation Day. FR has been glitchy for me today & I know for some others (multiple posts TNFTO).


44 posted on 01/10/2013 2:05:56 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: apillar

Two words:

Webster County.

Lived in WV all my life, and never had a beef with anyone. Still makes me slightly nervous to go there.

I know of LOTS of “hollers” over there where no one can hear you scream, even if you scream into a cell phone or radio.


45 posted on 01/10/2013 2:26:52 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (I'm not racist - I hate Biden too!)
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To: KGeorge
Sorry - different post.
http://gunappreciationday.com/

Spread from gun shops to street corners... we are.

46 posted on 01/10/2013 2:28:22 PM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: grobdriver

No worries. (More concerned that your post got to it’s intended recipient)
Thank you!

Thank goodness!


47 posted on 01/10/2013 2:50:53 PM PST by KGeorge
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48 posted on 01/10/2013 2:56:17 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
We need a 5 Million Gun Owner march asap on DC

Dittos.

49 posted on 01/10/2013 2:57:25 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“No Guns for Negroes” video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nckgyfGbdnU


50 posted on 01/10/2013 3:01:33 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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