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Thank Goodness for Obamacare: Hidden Amendment Prevents Gun and Ammo Registry
Independent Journal Review ^ | JANUARY 9, 2013 | KYLE BECKER

Posted on 01/10/2013 7:07:45 AM PST by drbuzzard

“Sometimes you have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it,” to paraphrase former Speaker Nancy Pelosi. As reported at IJR earlier today, a hidden amendment in Obamacare prevents a national gun and ammunition registry.

That’s right. It was put into the bill by Senator Harry Reid — in order to keep the NRA out of the Obamacare fight. Well, thank you Harry Reid?

The Nevada senator, after all, is a fan of guns and firearms, believing them to be as American as baseball or football. (Football without suspected black conservative quarterbacks who play injured in big games, that is.)

Breitbart.com picked up on the story (which IJReview first learned of via The Right Scoop):

It seems that in their haste to cram socialized medicine down the throats of the American people, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Barack Obama overlooked Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c.

According to reports, that amendment says the government cannot collect “any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.”

CNN is calling it “a gift to the nation’s powerful gun lobby.”

So, even CNN has recognized the provision in the otherwise monstrous law. And now that the Republican Party has control of the House… well, sort of… there is no good reason for any of Feinstein’s gun laws to sail through Congress.

Not that any Democrat-run government will actually respect the law (see: the budget, FCC Internet regulation, the offshore drilling moratorium, the War Powers Act, etc…).

The Joe Biden gun-grabber task force has already indicated that this is above his pay-grade and Obama is going to have to straighten this out. Let me inform you jokers, it’s above both your paygrades: The Constitution forbids it. That would be “the law of the land” that decides if what the Congress or the Executive does is valid or not in plainfolk-speak.

The Senate vote on the Feinstein gun ban package is preliminarily scheduled for as early as January 22nd, the exact same day as newly returned Hillary Clinton is slated to testify on Benghazi. Since we’re loading up politically important events in Washington D.C. for that day, add another to the Democrat roll call: repeal Obamacare.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; obama; obamacare; obamacareguns; obamasignedit; obamaslaw; secondamendment; youwillnotdisarmus
Now this is a red letter day. In one fell swoop I have both a good feeling about Harry Reid and Obamacare. If someone had asked me if such a thing would ever have occurred, I certainly would have said, 'hell no'.
1 posted on 01/10/2013 7:07:55 AM PST by drbuzzard
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To: drbuzzard

Yeah, and like the trick Kennedy used to play to get the dupes to vote for his bills, there’s probably a clause at the end of the bill that eradicates the previous clause.


2 posted on 01/10/2013 7:11:20 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: drbuzzard
Oh, isn't that sweet!

Not only will Obama be bared from creating a registration scheme by executive fiat, he is barred by the law HE SIGNED! I'm sure there a more than a few conservative federal judges that will be happy to slap on an injunction and remind him of this little fact if he's dumb enough to try.

3 posted on 01/10/2013 7:13:46 AM PST by apillar
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To: drbuzzard

When they do shoot, it hits their own foot every time.


4 posted on 01/10/2013 7:15:45 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: drbuzzard

Right. Like they’ll pay the least bit of attention to “the law”.


5 posted on 01/10/2013 7:16:46 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: drbuzzard

Unfortunately, when you read the text, what it says is that you cannot use the Obamacare legislation as a justification or controlling authority for a gun or ammunition registry. There are plenty of other vague bits of legislation out there outside of ObamaCare that The One can try to warp to justify his desires.


6 posted on 01/10/2013 7:18:41 AM PST by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: drbuzzard

I’m sure Der Fuehrer has an executive order ready to fix that portion of the law.


7 posted on 01/10/2013 7:22:13 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: AzSteven

Specifically, see this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2976625/posts


8 posted on 01/10/2013 7:23:22 AM PST by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: fatnotlazy

Or the DOJ will publicly declare they explicit intent to ignore that portion of the law. See DoM.


9 posted on 01/10/2013 7:24:23 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: drbuzzard

He can issue an EO to clarify an existing law. This is a prime example of this. He will merely add that it is only in the context of doctor-patient confidentiality as iut relates to MEDICAL records.


10 posted on 01/10/2013 7:25:24 AM PST by wrench
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To: drbuzzard

There’s a LOT of misinformation about this floating around. The actual verbiage of the law is specific only to the law itself. It prohibits activities under the ACA (i.e. doctor visits) from requesting information or cataloging that information under the guise of the ACA.

If Obama & Co. wanted to pass a registration requirement OUTSIDE of the ACA, they could. Additionally, the ACA states that they cannot ask questions about LEGAL firearm ownership. If they make it illegal to own or possess firearms, Katy bar the door. Any hint of illegal activity can be cataloged and likely will.

Your doctor becomes a deputized law enforcement officer who can report suspicious behavior straight to the brown coats in DC.


11 posted on 01/10/2013 7:28:43 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: drbuzzard

What’s law to a pig?

This won’t even be a bump in the road for the man of lawlessness. The Dim’s will just ‘change their mind’ and pass a new law revoking the old law.


12 posted on 01/10/2013 7:29:56 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: drbuzzard

THANK YOU, NANCY PELOSI!!!!!!!

Backatcha beeyotch!!!!!!


13 posted on 01/10/2013 7:40:05 AM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: drbuzzard
Don't get too comfy. The language in the Affordable Care Act simply bars health insurance entities and doctors from using data collected on gun ownership in any way connected to insurance rates, coverage, etc.

It in no way precludes Obama and his regime of Muslim sympathizers from creating a new database or even confiscating all form 4473s nationwide for use in creating a database that will show them who has what.

The much touted language about firearms in ObamaCare has little to do with the current situation.

14 posted on 01/10/2013 7:41:49 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

“You got to pass it to know what is in it.”

Thanks for that one.


15 posted on 01/10/2013 7:42:34 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Yeah, I get that now. Shouldn’t have gotten any hopes up.


16 posted on 01/10/2013 7:48:57 AM PST by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: drbuzzard

1) I don’t believe any of this and 2) Obama will issue an executive order doing a) ban on sales and b) ordering registration.

Game, set, match.


17 posted on 01/10/2013 7:57:14 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: drbuzzard

Okay... Guess we’ll just have to repeal all of Obamacare except for that amendment.


18 posted on 01/10/2013 8:03:59 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: drbuzzard

Someone at the NRA saw this coming. Thank goodness for the NRA, and thank stupidity for Harry Ried. Harry got hoodwinked.

But this lawless bunch at the whitey hut don’t follow laws anyway. Don’t see this even slowing them down.


19 posted on 01/10/2013 8:12:45 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: rarestia

You are correct.

This is the actual text of the language:

(c) Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights.–

“(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.–A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to–

“(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or

“(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.

“(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.–None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to–

“(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;

“(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or

“(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.

“(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.–None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.

“(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.–A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under

[Page: S13491] GPO’s PDF

any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon–

“(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or

“(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.

“(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS.–No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to–

“(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or

“(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition.”.

I really wish that bloggers wouldn’t try to be lawyers. Moreover, I wish that conservatives wouldn’t throw out these bloggers as authoritative sources of information. It makes our side look like a bunch of conspiracy freaks.


20 posted on 01/10/2013 8:14:51 AM PST by Jgerald
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To: Blueflag
"Or the DOJ will publicly declare they explicit intent to ignore that portion of the law. See DoM."

It will probably go to the Supreme Court.

Prediction: Obama will win. Wonder how Roberts will go on this one...

21 posted on 01/10/2013 8:50:04 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: drbuzzard
The article is deceiving. I believe the amendment prohibits the government from using doctors to gather information on legally-owned guns. It's hardly the silver-bullet [pun intended] it's being touted as.
22 posted on 01/10/2013 9:20:49 AM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people..)
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To: drbuzzard

now we can repass that specific provision as an independent law and even preempt states.


23 posted on 01/10/2013 9:24:57 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: drbuzzard

Not a problem for the administration - with Roberts on SCOTUS, it will be determined that recording/removing our weapons is a legitimate tax...


24 posted on 01/10/2013 9:32:10 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: drbuzzard

Anyone who thinks the Republicans in congress will block changes to this or stand up if any other legislation ignores it- Anybody who believe that is ready for some Grade A swamp land in Florida.


25 posted on 01/10/2013 9:37:26 AM PST by Revel
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To: apillar

You mean those very same upstanding, moral and ethical guys who have blown off every single attempt by the citizens to shed some light on the stinking pile of effluent called Obama’s background and qualifications to even be on the POTUS ballot?

THOSE “conservative” federal judges???????????????????

Yer dreamin buddy.


26 posted on 01/10/2013 9:46:16 AM PST by CanuckYank
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To: American in Israel

I wonder how many more members than 5 million will now happen?

That said, for INSURANCE purposes this may hold but for police state purporses this may not apply.

Remember, judges are creatures of the belway. ALL judges.


27 posted on 01/10/2013 9:48:57 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: drbuzzard

bump


28 posted on 01/10/2013 10:21:55 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: drbuzzard

Please let all of your ,or any active military friends and family know that can have a FREE one-year membership to NRA.

NRA offers troops free one-year membership

By Karen Jowers - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Aug 14, 2007 17:07:55 EDT

Active-duty military personnel are eligible for a free one-year membership in the National Rifle Association.

A one-year membership typically costs $35. This offer will run indefinitely, said Zach Price, workplace giving coordinator for the NRA Office of Advancement. It is also open to Guard and Reserve members who have been called to active duty.

Service members can sign up for the free year’s membership online.

Benefits of membership include a subscription to an NRA magazine, $5,000 worth of accidental death and dismemberment coverage, and $1,000 of ArmsCare coverage for firearms, air guns, bows and arrows against theft, accidental loss and damage, as well as other benefits.

“NRA wants to emphasize the partnership between itself and the military,” Price said. “There’s a lot of overlap with the military in shooting sports, training classes, and a lot of present NRA members are current or former military.” The NRA’s ties with the military reach back to 1871 when the association was founded by two Union army veterans.

“We want to give a big thank-you to our active-duty troops,” Price said.

As with all similar association memberships, he said, members are asked if they want to renew at the end of their membership, as paid members.

http://nralifeofduty.tv/#/home

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/08/military_nra_070814w/


29 posted on 01/10/2013 10:42:21 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: fatnotlazy
I’m sure Der Fuehrer has an executive order ready to fix that portion of the law.

Der Zero Mein Feuhrer.

30 posted on 01/10/2013 11:07:06 AM PST by QT3.14 ( USA: Likely only country in world history to adopt policies and laws that ensure self-destruction)
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To: drbuzzard
Now this is a red letter day. In one fell swoop I have both a good feeling about Harry Reid and Obamacare. If someone had asked me if such a thing would ever have occurred, I certainly would have said, 'hell no'.

I don't know why you feel that way. All they have to do now is pass a law which repeals that provision. And the only barrier to doing that is the Republicans (hah!) in the House.

31 posted on 01/10/2013 12:30:16 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: drbuzzard
According to reports, that amendment says the government cannot collect “any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.” CNN is calling it “a gift to the nation’s powerful gun lobby.”

The cynic in me believes that the White Hut clown will just simply rewrite the law on his own. He has already shown us what he thinks of laws and the Consitution and is already performing such shenanigans. Where is the GOP? Ccowering under their Congressional provided desks. Any day I expect to hear the Republicans bring up their favorite saying "Hey we only have 1/2 of 1/3 of the Government - WE HAVE TO HAVE THE WH."

IMPEACH NOW AND PUT THIS CLOWN IN THE KLINTOON HISTORY BOOK - I know the Senate will not convict. The GOP is not going to find the backbone to accomplish anything even though they have the power of the purse - then go after Impeachment if you think you are not capable of winning any of these fights. Show me the first program or agency you have DEFUNDED. The reason why Congress has such a low approval rating is the GOP.
32 posted on 01/10/2013 12:47:40 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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