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What if a revolution is required....?
1/7/2013 | Self-vanity

Posted on 01/07/2013 9:41:13 AM PST by SERKIT

What if we had a President that ran on the concept of "fundamentally changing" America, away from its founding principles, away from its traditions, and away from the Constitution?

What if we had such corrupt politicians that freedoms were reduced, slowly but surely eroded, or repealed?

What if the corrupt politicians and the anti-American President continued to oppress the people and suppress freedom?

Wouldn't a revolution only predicted, but necessary? In order to stay free, and preserve the Constitution - where politicians fail to defend the Constitution - then the people will need to defend it - by maintaining an armed citizenry. Isn't this also part of the intent behind the Second Amendment?

Will the roots of the Liberty Tree soon, once again, require fertilization by the blood of tyrants and patriots, to paraphrase one of our founders?

You have the freedom to keep and bear arms, but you don't need to - you should have the freedom of choice.

Gear up! Patriotism required.


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1 posted on 01/07/2013 9:41:17 AM PST by SERKIT
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To: SERKIT

Sign me up ASAP.


2 posted on 01/07/2013 9:43:57 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: SERKIT

My family fought against British tyranny at the Battles of Cowpens and King’s Mountain. If tyranny needs to be resisted today, O’m sure there are enough Americans who will step forward to challenge it.


3 posted on 01/07/2013 9:46:02 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: BuffaloJack

King George III was a gentle saint compared to what we’re stuck with today.


4 posted on 01/07/2013 9:48:00 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: SERKIT
Let's pray that it never comes to that but as always....

Be vigilant and keep your powder dry....

5 posted on 01/07/2013 9:48:26 AM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: BuffaloJack

King George III was a gentle saint compared to what we’re stuck with today.


6 posted on 01/07/2013 9:49:05 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: BuffaloJack

A third of the population supported the revolution at the time, not much considering it’s outcome.


7 posted on 01/07/2013 9:49:53 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Being Breitbart, Lexington / Concord, America's first gun grab attempt)
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To: ronnie raygun

People were upset by the tax on tea and stamps placed on them by Parliament......but these taxes were NOTHING compared to all of the new taxes contained in Obamacare, in addition to higher taxes we’re going to have to pay on estates, dividends, capital gains, and income.


8 posted on 01/07/2013 9:54:52 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: BuffaloJack

Two 5th great-grandfathers of mine fought at Yorktown, the battle that ended the War, another was in Boston during the beginning...so where do I sign up?


9 posted on 01/07/2013 9:55:00 AM PST by mkboyce
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To: SERKIT

We are past the point of what the Founder’s intended the Second Amendment to rectify and return liberty into the hands they worked so hard to enshrine, should it ever be usurped from them.

A ‘revolution’ today would be a bloodbath and more in-line with the French experience with revolution than what our Founders were engaged in.

Sad fact of history and the moral make-up of this people today.

A fact known by the MarxoFascists, who NEED a bloodbath in order to succeed in completeness where they are taking us.


10 posted on 01/07/2013 9:56:18 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SERKIT
Ubama's "fundamental transformation" is designed to be a slow-motion train-wreck.

At some point, probably after about six-months of triple-digit inflation, riots will start in the inner-cities when the amounts on the EBT cards aren't covering trips to the casinos like they used to.

Whoever survives the following five years wins the "revolution."

I don't think Ubama is going to be among them.

11 posted on 01/07/2013 9:56:18 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the government. LIBERTY: When the government fears the people.)
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To: ronnie raygun

1/3 supported, 1/10 did something, 1/33 actually took up arms.

And they won.

We CAN do this again and restore our Republic.


12 posted on 01/07/2013 9:57:44 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: SERKIT

Gotta rout the media first.


13 posted on 01/07/2013 9:58:23 AM PST by Boiling point (Socialism; Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Boiling point

“Gotta rout the media first.”

That echoes a novel I downloaded from the net in .pdf form called “Unintended Consequences” in which the members of the media who collaborated with an oppressive regime were targted for assassination. That said, it is not a new idea.

It’s also an idea that I support. If push comes to shove then the people who’ve been shilling for an oppressive regime should be held to the same account as the regime itself.


14 posted on 01/07/2013 10:06:45 AM PST by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Dead Corpse

In today’s numbers that’s 10,500,000 would actually fight and w today’s weapons, it was the size of WWII Soviet Army.


15 posted on 01/07/2013 10:12:38 AM PST by DownInFlames
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To: SERKIT

Might want to start a UHF/VHF net first.


16 posted on 01/07/2013 10:14:09 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: ronnie raygun

And easily a third of the population of the geographic area now designated as “the United States of America” would support a similar resistance movement today. Even with the American Revolution, there were “sunshine patriots” and strong supporters of the Crown, theoretically in the majority, but remember, one man, with strong convictions, is a potent force that can shift that majority.

Secession should not be dismissed as a strategy, dividing the geographic area between the “red” counties and congressional districts, and the “blue” districts, and declaring separate republics. In many instances, the division would not be congruent with current state lines, so, potentially, a state like California could be divided between a thin coastal line, and the much larger interior.

Inevitably, the “blue” districts will turn out to be greatly fragmented, and it is impossible to administer any national entity across what is potentially hostile territory separating the multiple districts. The “red” districts shall turn out to be nearly contiguous, making administration much simpler.

It can be done. Should the “red” portion of the electoral map declare themselves a separate republic from the government administered from Washington, DC, there is really not a whole lot the Washington regime could do to reverse that intent. Sure, they have the military, and the naval forces, but much of the “red” portion of this geographic area is self-sufficient in production of raw materials, manufacturing, and distribution. Most of the “blue” districts are not.


17 posted on 01/07/2013 10:15:21 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: SERKIT

The leaders would be labled terrorists, placed on the president’s kill list, which is now legal, and the sight of predator and reaper drones crisscrossing our skies would become commonplace.


18 posted on 01/07/2013 10:15:50 AM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: SERKIT

One never knows what precipitating events may occur that lead to acts of liberation from threats to the well-being of the nation as a whole and seek to overthrow a ruling elite and corrupt cabal of politicians and wealthy and the misguided who benefit most with the ‘status quo’..

Taxes, guns, suicide attacks.. take your pick.

Nope, no one knows.. but we’ve seen numbers of all of them go thru the roof this millenium.. Progre$$ive agendas don’t come cheap, yaknow.


19 posted on 01/07/2013 10:16:20 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: DownInFlames
Against about 1.5 million combined Federal and local law enforcement that may violate their oaths of office and follow illegal seizure orders.

I like 10:1 odds in our favor.

20 posted on 01/07/2013 10:17:14 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: struggle
Might want to start a UHF/VHF net first.

We already have those.... ;-)

21 posted on 01/07/2013 10:17:14 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I would prefer to have the politicians afraid of the people, than the people afraid of their government.


22 posted on 01/07/2013 10:18:59 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Can supermax hold 300 million people.
Who’s gonna pay taxes if everyone’s dead or in jail?


23 posted on 01/07/2013 10:22:26 AM PST by Morris70
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To: SERKIT
I would prefer to have the politicians afraid of the people, than the people afraid of their government.

They are afraid of the people, it's just that all the people they are afraid of are on the left. Isn't it obvious?

24 posted on 01/07/2013 10:23:30 AM PST by Mr. Know It All
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To: SERKIT
Let me point out an important difference between 1776 and 2012. George III was a dictator, elected by no one. Obama was elected by millions of Americans.

I very much suspect that there was voter fraud in the last election. Add to that all the media bias. And, to be polite, much of what Obama is doing bends the Constitution.

But Obama won a relatively free election. He is the people's choice. This is not 1776. Obama is VERY bad for this country, but he is not George III (yet).

25 posted on 01/07/2013 10:24:34 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: SERKIT

Unfortunately, at this point politicians ARE the government.


26 posted on 01/07/2013 10:30:47 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the government. LIBERTY: When the government fears the people.)
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To: SERKIT
Stick To Your Guns
27 posted on 01/07/2013 10:30:47 AM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: Dead Corpse

“We CAN do this again and restore our Republic.”

Not likely. Almost half the population doesn’t even bother to vote.
It’s not 1776. Anybody that works a job, uses a cell phone, has cable or internet, buys anything at all with a credit card,has a bank account, or even a light bill, leaves a trail that’s easy to follow.

It’s not going to be like the fantasy that seems to prevail here.

The general population will not view the “New & Improved Minitemen” as freedom fighters.

The media will paint any such actions as terrorist acts and every TV show from COPS to FN&F will make political hay promising to bring the terrorists in dead or alive.

There’s a lot of chest thumping here, but I’ve had personal experience with a situation like that through an aquaintance I once had. The guy seriously Pissed Off the FBI. Trust me, when they show up to ask you a few questions it’s disconcerting, even if you have no idea about anything. The FBI interviewed everybody this guy knew.

This isn’t Colonial Boston. Taking to the woods with your trusty musket isn’t going to do anything but get you on a terrorist list and all your assets frozen as well as causing a major amount of grief for everybody you’ve known in the last 10 years.

I believe that most people are pretty comfortable with the illusion of freedom. You know you’re free to do the the things that society approves.
As long as the TV gets 500 channels and the internet connection works everything is fine.


28 posted on 01/07/2013 10:38:34 AM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: SERKIT

My 5th great-grandfather, John Carpenter, was George Washington’s neighbor near Mt. Vernon, travelled with him during his survey of the Western Reserve, fought with him in the French and Indian War and the Revolution.

I pray I have some of those genes in me as I suspect I’ll need them in the coming days.


29 posted on 01/07/2013 10:38:47 AM PST by Dick Bachert (An ARMED society is a POLITE society!)
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To: SERKIT
Obama’s Lawless Presidency

January 7, 2013

-By Warner Todd Huston

President Obama’s supporters love to call him the “cool” President, a “no drama” guy, and generally like to claim he is unflappable in office. Whatever the truth of that claim, there is one thing for sure: he doesn’t sweat the small stuff. Like following the law. During his four years in office this president has shown he couldn’t care less about the laws he’s supposed to be governed by as president.

This lawlessness started all the way back before he even became president. It was widely discussed in 2008 that he blatantly violated campaign donations laws by refusing to put in controls on his website that would prevent illegal, foreign donations. And we’ve only just learned as 2013 began that his 2008 campaign was levied the largest fine ever imposed on a presidential campaign for violations of campaign laws. In January the nation learned that the FEC fined Obama $375,000 for campaign reporting violations.

Once he became President, Obama immediately began misuse his powers to control Washington’s regulatory machinery to pay back pals and warp rules for ideological reasons. This president generally wields his regulatory powers with kid gloves to pay off supporters while at the same time that velvety hand holds a cudgel to smite foes.

One of his very first moves when he was swept into Washington, for instance, was to begin a program to give big payoffs to his union masters.

His first move was to put a union operative in as the head of the Department of Labor. Hilda Solis had been a union stooge her entire career and that stoogery only increased when Obama took office and quickly put her in charge of the DoL. This is significant because the DoL is supposed to be an unbiased arbiter between labor and the business sector. Installing Solis as the Sec. of Labor signaled a move to turn the DoL into an adjunct of Big Labor instead of an unbiased arbiter and Solis quickly moved to use the DoL as a weapon against the business sector.

Immediately Obama changed union reporting rules that cut unions slack in reporting their financial situation to the government. No more would unions be expected to account for themselves. Instead, unions would be given all the cover they needed to hide funds and expenditures from both government and union rank and file members.

This wasn’t his only pay off to unions. He’s continued to bend rules, vacate laws, dismantle transparency regulations, and turn a blind eye to union violations during his whole time in office.

Obama has also used Executive Orders to skirt both Congress and the law. Take for instance, Obama’s attempt to implement the Disclose Act through the back door using an EO. The Disclose Act was an effort that failed in Congress but Obama thought he could just ignore Congress and implement it anyway.

This fits with Obama’s announced policy that he would go around Congress whenever he feels like it.

Obama has also engaged in a strong campaign to misuse the Department of Justice for political purposes. His emplacement of Eric Holder as Attorney General was only the first move to turn the DoJ into a weapon against Americans he doesn’t like. Writer and former DoJ lawyer J.Christian Adams has chronicled the extensive damage Holder’s DoJ has done to the country with his and Obama’s politicization of the department.

In fact, the DoJ has been so ideologically pro-active that this month the federal government has been told to reimburse the state of South Carolina for court costs the DoJ unnecessarily caused as it illicitly attacked the state over its voter ID laws.

Obama has used the Environmental Protection Agency as a weapon repeatedly, as well. In only the latest example we find that a federal court has determined that the EPA overstepped its boundaries by idiotically claiming that water is a “pollutant” in order to force its will on state officials.

Another example of Obama’s disinterest in following the law was his responsibility to report his upcoming regulatory changes, the last report of which was due in October but wasn’t bothered with until December — conveniently after the election. The earlier April report he never issued at all.

Then there was Obama’s convenient change to the way the federal government defines poverty. Obama changed it so that poverty can never be shown to have gotten better. His new reporting scheme will forever define poverty as getting worse despite its actual condition either ways.

Obama also recently made a move to eliminate an embarrassing metric in the gathering of statistics issued by the Internal Revenue Service that shows how many Americans are moving, from where, and where to among the states. One can only assume the gathering of this metric was ended so that the steady flow out of highly taxed, deep blue states can no longer be tracked. In this way, Obama can help tax-hogging Democrats hide the fact that their policies are causing their states to lose citizens as those put upon folks move away to more prosperous, and usually lower taxed, states.

Sadly, no president before Barack Obama has violated the law, warped the regulatory scheme, and used his power to as ideologically as often as he has. None.

Suffice to say, there are many, many, many more examples like those I’ve listed here. There have been so many that it would take a book — or several — to chronicle all Obama’s ideological changes and violations of the law committed since 2008.

In fact, a few have made the attempt to elucidate that record.

To name just two, the aforementioned J. Christian Adams wrote a book titled Injustice: Exposing the Racial Agenda of the Obama Justice Department, detailing the abuse of power at the DoJ.

Another good book on Obama’s lawlessness is Phil Kerpen’s Democracy Denied: How Obama is Ignoring You and Bypassing Congress to Radically Transform America – and How to Stop Him.

Obama’s lawlessness is so voluminous that even the book titles about the subject can’t be short! And he isn’t done yet, either. Thanks to the American electorate, he has another full four years to indulge his lawlessness.

“The only end of writing is to enable the reader better to enjoy life, or better to endure it.”
–Samuel Johnson

Warner Todd Huston is a Chicago based freelance writer. He has been writing opinion editorials and social criticism since early 2001 and before that he wrote articles on U.S. history for several small American magazines. His political columns are featured on many websites such as Andrew Breitbart’s BigGovernment.com, BigHollywood.com, and BigJournalism.com, as well as RightWingNews.com, RightPundits.com, CanadaFreePress.com, StoptheACLU.com, AmericanDaily.com, among many, many others. Mr. Huston is also endlessly amused that one of his articles formed the basis of an article in Germany’s Der Spiegel Magazine in 2008.

30 posted on 01/07/2013 10:48:40 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: mkboyce

Here is my 5th Great Grandfather

Henry Dearborn was an American physician, a statesman and a veteran of both the American Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. Wikipedia Born: February 23, 1751, North Hampton Died: June 6, 1829, Roxbury Previous offices: Representative 1795-1797, Representative (MA 4th District) 1793 – 1795 Henry Dearborn

31 posted on 01/07/2013 10:52:16 AM PST by BreezyDog (Illegitimi non carborundum)
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To: ronnie raygun
A third of the population supported the revolution at the time, not much considering it’s outcome

Actually, I understood it was fewer than that... about 25%. But I doubt we will ever know with any certainty. The bottom line is that it only takes a few to really ruin the plans of the aristocrats in charge.

32 posted on 01/07/2013 10:53:09 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: snarkybob
Not likely.

Then you are neither wanted nor needed here.

Why? Because nothing less will change things. As you point out, the media and the establishment are all against us.

So go crawl into a hole and hope the coming sh*tstorm will pass you by...

33 posted on 01/07/2013 10:55:12 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

And yet, some issues keep raising their imperial heads.

complaints against George III include:
• He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good.
• He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance…
• He has obstructed the Administration of Justice…
• He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation.


34 posted on 01/07/2013 10:57:29 AM PST by MurrietaMadman
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To: Dead Corpse
Because nothing less will change things.

Change things to what? The American Revolution is one of the rare revolutions that created a better country in its wake. The Russian revolution had pretty lofty goals, but it ended up putting Stalin in power. It's the same story in a lot of revolutions.

Perhaps a new revolution will be started by "patriots," but there's no guarantee that those who started it will end up on top in the end.

35 posted on 01/07/2013 11:00:06 AM PST by Mr. Know It All
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To: Mr. Know It All
There's no guarantee that those who started it will end up on top in the end.

Excellent post, and excellent point at the end.

Jacques Mallet du Pan watched the work of the guillotine during the French Revolution, then made the famous comment "the Revolution devours its children".

36 posted on 01/07/2013 11:07:23 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: Dead Corpse

“Why? Because nothing less will change things. As you point out, the media and the establishment are all against us.
So go crawl into a hole and hope the coming sh*tstorm will pass you by...”

I’m sorry if the reality of the thing got your feathers ruffled.
I’m a keyboard warrior. No poll is too frightening for me to Freep, unless it requires me to sign up, then I won’t do it because I don’t like getting spam.

The daydreams of another revolution or civil war or just that, daydreams.


37 posted on 01/07/2013 11:09:05 AM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: Mr. Know It All
There was no guaranty last time either.

But maybe you guys are right. Maybe it won't work. Maybe things aren't so bad right now and just maybe they won't get worse.

I'm sure the Austrians said the same thing in 1938...

38 posted on 01/07/2013 11:12:28 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: SERKIT
Put yourself in our founders shoes. At what point did they feel it was necessary to shoot back and take a life of what they considered their own countrymen or regulars?

'He' (as the founders called him or our government in our case) would have to start executing the good and honest people as they did to our founders.

39 posted on 01/07/2013 11:12:55 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: snarkybob
Ah well... If it's all just daydreams... Then you can go back to sleep.

All will be well.

40 posted on 01/07/2013 11:14:14 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: BuffaloJack

We were one of Captain Dan Morgan’s 96 VA Rangers, fighting at the Battle of Quebec.

From his heroism at Quebec, winning at Saratoga and Cowpens, along with the fear his elite troops put in the British, Morgan saved this country, IMHO

http://www.want2bwriter.com/2011/05/daniel-morgan-unlikely-revolutionary.html


41 posted on 01/07/2013 11:14:35 AM PST by bigmak007 (They who can't control their own passions, want to passionately control others.)
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To: snarkybob

Hey, if spam is what holds you back sign this one...

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-armed-guards-president-vice-president-and-their-families-and-establish-gun-free-zones/6RDGkxLK

I signed it on December 23 and haven’t got a related piece of spam since


42 posted on 01/07/2013 11:16:45 AM PST by MurrietaMadman
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
King George III was a gentle saint compared to what we’re stuck with today.

George was insane probably from arsenic ingested accidentally.

Right now America has its first mentally ill tyrant probably a result of ingesting illegal substances instead of paying attention to Constitutional Law when he was a student.

43 posted on 01/07/2013 11:17:43 AM PST by Rapscallion (Obama is America's first tyrant....president in name only - PINO)
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To: alloysteel

And easily a third of the population of the geographic area now designated as “the United States of America” would support a similar resistance movement today. Even with the American Revolution, there were “sunshine patriots” and strong supporters of the Crown, theoretically in the majority, but remember, one man, with strong convictions, is a potent force that can shift that majority.

Secession should not be dismissed as a strategy, dividing the geographic area between the “red” counties and congressional districts, and the “blue” districts, and declaring separate republics. In many instances, the division would not be congruent with current state lines, so, potentially, a state like California could be divided between a thin coastal line, and the much larger interior.

Good ideas, but we should start electing county sheriffs that will stand up to the federal usurpation of power and deputize those who will not hesitate to stand for freedom.

This fight needs to start at a town/city/county level then work it’s way up to the State. We need county sheriffs that will kick the feds OUT of the county when they start harassing it’s citizens.


44 posted on 01/07/2013 11:23:49 AM PST by GraceG
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To: SERKIT

I sure wouldn’t be planning it or talking about it online or anywhere else out in public. Treason has consequences....even the founders understood that


45 posted on 01/07/2013 11:28:15 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Dead Corpse

Against about 1.5 million combined Federal and local law enforcement that may violate their oaths of office and follow illegal seizure orders.

I like 10:1 odds in our favor.

Uh huh, and they will give up their cushy federal jobs over principle and live in the cold...

Better to be a Fed and Fed, then Principled and starving...

In their minds of course


46 posted on 01/07/2013 11:28:51 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Morris70

Can supermax hold 300 million people.

Who’s gonna pay taxes if everyone’s dead or in jail?

No but those FEMA camps they have been building lately will work as processing centers as the 1 billion bullets are used to reduce the surplus inmate population you know for “collective economic reasons.”


47 posted on 01/07/2013 11:30:45 AM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG
Maybe. Maybe not. Lots of folks glommed on to Oath Keepers and the Threepers (III%).

And yeah... Fighting for freedom Vs. armed raids on your neighbors to illegally seize their firearms?

I'm betting "sick leave" becomes an epidemic.

48 posted on 01/07/2013 11:35:19 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: mkboyce

One of my fifth GGs also fought at Yorktown and for a year during the early dark years was a personal guard for Washington. Two others were Minutemen.

I believe that we have already surpassed the level of grievance and oppression experienced by our forefathers under the King.

FUBO & FAD


49 posted on 01/07/2013 11:40:33 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: ronnie raygun

One third of the population. That is the point. If a reaction to the current oppression comes it will not be a civil war of states lined up against states. It will be masses of people from across the states who stand up. Like then, not everyone will and some will oppose.

FUBO & FAD


50 posted on 01/07/2013 11:44:36 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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