Posted on 01/03/2013 9:54:57 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
ALLENTOWN, Pa.-The new movie "Promised Land" digs into the fierce national debate over fracking, the technique that's generated a boom in U.S. natural gas production while also stoking controversy over its possible impact on the environment and human health.
Written by and starring Matt Damon and John Krasinski, the film comes at an opportune time for a big-screen exploration of the issues surrounding the shale gas revolution, with cheap natural gas transforming the nation's energy landscape and "fracking" now a household word.
But viewers shouldn't necessarily expect a realistic treatment of drilling and fracking. It's not that kind of film...
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
based on Hollywood's typical treatment of history, science, religion, politics, warfare, romance, marriage, ... in short any aspect of human life, this sentence should read:
But viewers should necessarily expect an unrealistic treatment of drilling and fracking.
So if Matt Damon co-wrote this film, what are his credentials for the actualities in the environmental part? Environmental Science degree? Geology degree?
Engineering degree? Chemistry degree? Etc.
GERBIL WARNING
For those who have been unemployed, those communities in the rust belt whose tax base has been devastated, and the old and new companies servicing the industry, the gas boom has provided hope of a revitalized economy. For environmentalists, its the same old story -- fossil fuels should be abandoned in favor of solar and wind. Their stirring up NIMBY sentiments only goes so far as putting food on the table and being able to afford rent, a new car or TV will trump the apocalyptic rantings of the ecoNazis. Let them freeze in the dark while the rest of us safely enjoy God-given resources.
The only sub-IQ group out there with even less science knowledge than a D.C. politician-critter is a Hollywood cretin-critter.
I always think there is an incredible amount of arrogance when these folks speak on matters they are not trained in. You never hear these guys refer to someone like this guy, http://www.ou.edu/engineering/peteng/dept/roegiers.html, a really well respected professor in rock mechanics. Why? Because they don’t need to. They don’t need any kind of training in engineering, much less the more specialized mechanics of rocks and hydraulic fracturing, because they are cool like that. It is an incredible disrespect of the science, and the accomplishment of the men and women who work in that area, to spout off that such science and engineering should be scrapped when, which might effect people’s livelihood, and availability of cheaper energy resources, when they don’t have a clue what they are talking about, mostly because they don’t know anything about the science. Like Rush says, they do it because it makes them feel good, not because it is accurate or truthful. “Look at me, I made an anti-fracking movie, I care about the Earth more than most people, what a saint I am.” Just saying, there is a lot of self-centeredness to their motivation.
I may be wrong because of the tremendous P.R. campaign for this movie, but I have a feeling the drama of a landman getting farmers to sign gas leases isn’t exactly gonna pack ‘em in. I have a feeling this is another Hollywood agenda movie that will land with a thud.
"As actors, it is our responsibility to read the newspapers, and then say what we read on television like it's our own opinion."
We don’t need Hollywood exploring the issues.
They always explore them from their own liberal point of view.
Ahhhhh, celebrities......is there anything that they don’t know?
I mean I'm far from an envirowhacko, being a Silverado drivin’, wood burning Harley rider, but the idea of somebody injecting into the ground below my (and my water supply) and not telling anyone what it is is... disturbing. Trade secretes my have their place, but with food or medecine, we have a choice of we don't want to use the product containing it, with drilling not so much.
As with nuclear power, a good thing overall, but there should be strict liability with no time limit for anything going wrong, I don't know if a mere 50 or 60 year track record is good enough for a process that could conceivably render an area uninhabitable in 100 year's time.... Don't really know, not my area of expertise....
I mean I'm far from an envirowhacko, being a Silverado drivin’, wood burning Harley rider, but the idea of somebody injecting into the ground below my (and my water supply) and not telling anyone what it is is... disturbing. Trade secretes my have their place, but with food or medecine, we have a choice of we don't want to use the product containing it, with drilling not so much.
As with nuclear power, a good thing overall, but there should be strict liability with no time limit for anything going wrong, I don't know if a mere 50 or 60 year track record is good enough for a process that could conceivably render an area uninhabitable in 100 year's time.... Don't really know, not my area of expertise....
Thackney is one person who can answer that question well.
All companies, at all location, are required to have on site the MSDS for every chemical being used on site. So in every location, there is access to what chemicals are being used, but not the exact amounts.
Some states, like Texas, have required that companies have a public online database where individuals can access what chemicals are being used for hydraulic fracturing.
Railroad Commissioners Adopt One of Nation's Most Comprehensive Hydraulic Fracturing Chemical Disclosure Requirements
http://www.rrc.state.tx.us/pressreleases/2011/121311.php
That disclosure must be made at a web site the industry had already started where multiple companies at many different locations had already started listing those chemical to put the public more at ease.
At Fracfocus.org, you can look up individual wells just by a geographic map. However, it is not yet used by everyone and is still a growing database.
Other major companies that actually perform the hydraulic fracturing (not the oil company, but the company hired for that stage of the well completion) have started their own online database for people to search. For example, you can search what Haliburton has used in some different areas.
http://www.halliburton.com/public/projects/pubsdata/hydraulic_fracturing/fluids_disclosure.html
I don't know if a mere 50 or 60 year track record is good enough for a process that could conceivably render an area uninhabitable in 100 year's time....
100 year time??? Do you understand that after a well is hydraulic fractured, that fluid removed so the well can now flow out the cracks made during fracturing? Not every drop will initially come out, but nearly all does. However, the flowing gas/oil is pushing that remaining hydraulic fluid back up the well. It isn't going to stay down there. The pressure of the reservoir is pushing that fluid back out. It is not going to stay down there and spread out; there field pressures are pushing it the other direction.
Could you answer his question? I know you said you had some experience with fracking.
Thanks. Exactly the kind of info I was looking for.
“Do you understand that after a well is hydraulic fractured, that fluid removed so the well can now flow out the cracks made during fracturing?”
No, I did not know that. Again. thanks.
If you want to learn more, Haliburton put together a nice site with an animated video to give a broad overview of hydraulic fracturing without a lot of in depth detail.
http://www.halliburton.com/public/projects/pubsdata/hydraulic_fracturing/fracturing_101.html
And here's Haliburton's list of chemicals used. Again, nothing 'scary' for anyone with a basic understanding of science but 'scary names' that the eco-Marxists can use to herd the sheep.
None of the "Chemicals" are secret. The specific companies keep their proportion used in various formations 'proprietary' for competitive advantage, but both the state regulators here in Pennsylvania and the Fed EPA know exactly what is being pumped down each well. They are just not allowed to tell Co A what formulation Co B is using a few miles away.
But none of it is going to ever 'poison' anyone.
If these folks were truly concerned about the environment they would be PROMOTING drilling and mining in the U.S.A. where we have so many rules and regulations regarding environmental and worker’s safety. But by shutting down activities here it shoves it off to places like China, Indonesia and Nigeria where neither the worker or the environment gets a second look.
I was at a mine in Indonesia and they had something in the company news letter about their highly rated safety rating. I was there for only three months and there were two deaths!
The chemical you are speaking of is an emulsifier and surfacant.
Essentially it makes water wetter, enabling the pressure of the wash combined with granules of sand and rock to displace oil from the many cavities and fractures pushing the oil to pumps and out of the ground.
It works even better when heated and wanna know what it is?
Soap that is low sudsing.
I used to sell Amway LOC soap to oil companies and it becomes 100 times wetter when heated.
They will call it by different names under different manufacturers but essentially that’s what they use.
Also, there are no studies proving that displacement technologies result in polluting ground water.
For various reasons it isn’t even likely it would happen.
I can’t go into the why’s and why not’s because I want to catch up on the news.
You have nothing to worry about making an area uninhabitable for 100 years except....Sinkholes.
You blow out what was supporting underground caverns and sometimes it will lose structure but, they happen without fracking anyway.
I think between thackney and my explanation you should be up to speed, Cliffs Notes Style.
Halliburton is an excellent resource.
They were my customer in the 80’s as well as Noble Drilling, Cherokee, Schlumberger, Amerada Hess(I will always be grateful to Mr. Hess, who passed some years ago) Every oil company in Cushing, Drumright, Yale, most of Western Oklahoma except Bartlesville based Phillips.
LOC!!!!
LMFAO.
Sold Amway, too.
Oh, crap, that is funny.
On a semi serious note, I may not be quite as dumb as I look, but I have NEVER been hesitant to admit what I DON’T know.
The only things besides playing bass I have a professional class knowledge of are document imaging and political polling.
Good resources. Thanks
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