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Crunch Time - HELP NEEDED ^ | 12-27-2012 | butterdezillion

Posted on 12/27/2012 12:52:06 PM PST by butterdezillion

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To: 4Zoltan; Art in Idaho; butterdezillion; Puzo1

BTW, to change the date from the official date of January 6th, it would take an act of Congress.

21 posted on 12/27/2012 9:48:43 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: notted

What’s happening matches Scripture so closely it’s almost breathtaking. If it keeps going at this pace, economic collapse (the fall of Babylon) and sharia (the mark of the beast in order to buy or sell) will be next, and the persecutions now happening all over the Middle East and Africa will come here as well.

A couple summers ago I watched “Left Behind” for the first time. I wasn’t much in tune with the end-time prophecies before that. Even now, I pretty much have a general picture rather than a lot of specifics. The part in that movie that seemed incredible was how Nikolai Carpathia shot the two investors at the UN Building and everybody came out of there saying how “tragic” it was that the guy had committed suicide. They couldn’t see what was right in front of their faces.

At that time I remembered that this was how Yuri Bezmenov had described a demoralized people - as being incapable of seeing what was in front of their own eyes.

Everything I’ve seen in the last 3 years suggests that America is there. There are none so blind as they who will not see, and there is a great darkness now, where people just don’t want to see. Some people think it is futile to resist so they’re better off not knowing.

I don’t know what time it is - whether a minute until midnight or just mid-day. But it does feel like the night is closing in on America, with hearts and minds dark and dead to reality.

I think there are 2 things we can do:

First is pray, with all our hearts, that God would spare this country from our own blindness and hardness of hearts, and raise up leaders who will do what is right. As you hinted, our battle is not against flesh and blood but against the spiritual powers of darkness and deception. We can’t win this through merely human means. This is literally a battle against Hell itself, and ultimately it is only the One who has defeated Hell who can overcome the enemy this time.

Second is to inform as many people as we can of what is really going on. People say that Obama can’t be ineligible because it would require such a huge conspiracy to cover for him. But now Onaka has revealed that Obama’s birth facts can’t be verified. IOW, he has confirmed that whatever conspiracy this cover-up required.... has already happened and continues to happen. When people realize how many people have lied to them and broken laws in order to deceive us all - and when they consider what would be worth the risk of ever being found out.... they will realize that 2008 really and truly was a coup. Who was behind that coup? Well... that’s something they better find out, and seeing that all our allies in the war on terror have been stiffed, alienated, deposed, or killed with US approval... and the Islamists have all been appeased, armed, or installed with US approval.... I think that tells thinking people all they really need to know. When the political winds shift in an ugly direction, Obama will always stand with the Muslims - according to what he said in his own book.

If people have all this pointed out to them and still can’t see it, then I think their hearts may be hardened beyond repair. If too many are like that, this country has no hope except through divine intervention, and our consolation if the Lord doesn’t intervene to save the country is that He is still with His people even when things get REALLY BAD, as they are sure to do when the Islamists take over.

22 posted on 12/27/2012 9:58:27 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: rfreedom4u

Then Jesus told His disciples a parablet o show them that they should always pray and not give up. He said:

“In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared about men. And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, ‘Grant me justice against my adversary.’

“For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, ‘Even though I don’t fear God or care about men, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually wear me out with her coming!’

And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says. And will not God bring about justice for His chosen ones, who cry out to Him day and night? Will He keep putting them off? I tell you, He will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?” (Luke 18:1-8)

AZ SOS Ken Bennett asked Hawaii for a verification because the good people of Arizona were like that persistent widow. They were not going to take NO for an answer. Bennett wasn’t going to take NO for an answer from Hawaii, because he knew that until he satisfied these persistent people he was going to get no rest. And as a result we now have legal confirmation that Obama has no legally-established birth facts. That’s the crack in the legal “ice” that can set loose the whole wild river (using the Narnia theme) and wash away the filth of Saruman (using the Lord of the Rings theme).

When the people of America become like those patriots in Arizona we will see real things happen - even from people who neither fear God nor care about men, which appears to be the entire Congress at this point. The greatest obstacle we face is giving in to the enemy through apathy or despair.

Let your Congress-critter get tired of hearing from you. It may be the only thing that gets him/her to do the right thing, if he/she neither fears God nor cares about people.

23 posted on 12/27/2012 10:14:08 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: 4Zoltan; Art in Idaho; butterdezillion; Puzo1

Mr. Apuzzo was correct the vote was moved to January 4th.

24 posted on 12/27/2012 10:17:20 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

Thanks for the information.

25 posted on 12/27/2012 10:24:01 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion


26 posted on 12/27/2012 11:05:33 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: bitt
I live in the heart of Philadelphia, where only representatives and senators become such if they are proven die hard Socialist Democrats.

27 posted on 12/28/2012 2:57:32 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (I'm going John Galt.... But. Honor must be earned.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

If you’d like I could fax them the letter and you could remind them that what happened to the people who knowingly covered for Sandusky will be piddles next to what will happen to them if they cover for the coup that happened in 2008 and again in 2012 - either in this life or in the next...

Freepmail me if you want to go for it.

28 posted on 12/28/2012 7:32:40 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

You have personal mail.

29 posted on 12/28/2012 8:00:50 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (I'm going John Galt.... But. Honor must be earned.)
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To: butterdezillion

Followed up and email my representatives.

30 posted on 12/28/2012 9:21:15 AM PST by notted
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To: Marine_Uncle

Can you send it again? I didn’t get it.

31 posted on 12/28/2012 9:24:34 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: notted

Excellent! Thank you!

32 posted on 12/28/2012 9:28:06 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

It has been sent.

33 posted on 12/28/2012 9:48:44 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (I'm going John Galt.... But. Honor must be earned.)
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To: butterdezillion

I admire your efforts.

Sometimes I have knowingly fought losing battles in order to make a point, to do what’s right.

I’m looking at this more philosophically. So much more is involved than legalities, crucial as they are.

Obama is the President of the United States in all the ways that count, in practice if not in law. The people that have to accept him as President in order for him to function as one, do accept him. It would be like a fake doctor who has been a doctor for long enough to have been accepted as real by his colleagues and all who count. You are backtracking, talking about credentials to run, eligiblity for the ballot, fraudulent documents etc. while from back in ‘08 he has been generally accepted as the President-Elect or the President.

That perception of him, and how he or any President functions under our system, is going to rule the day. Any other thought would be unthinkable to those who to this very moment are meeting with him hoping against hope to avoid “the fiscal cliff”, for example.

If Obama weren’t eligible to be sworn in, what would happen to the Presidency?

Under such a scenario, who would function in that role?

VP Biden?? Or would the ticket be ineligible as well? I won’t get into those weeds here, but you could make a case that Biden is not fit to serve as President, and that Biden was part of a larger conspiracy to elect a fraud, Obama, which he would then benefit from by becoming President himself.

Also, in terms of the 50 states and their SOSs and their AGs being amenable to handling this, I would hate to be the person who was empowered to INVESTIGATE the particulars of this alleged crime. You might believe that the affadavit by the individual calling the BC a forgery makes this open and shut, and that speaking with him would be the only action needed. I don’t think so. That is on the side of the accusation against Obama. Obama has a legal side in this, too. And to investigate this from Obama’s side you would need to pursue interviews with him and people around him and all sorts of other issues. Remember when they suspected Scooter Libby and Karl Rove of an illegal leak and those two got their own attorneys and were questioned by investigators and brought before Grand Jurys etc.

Remember when Bill Clinton ran into his legal problems, that Clinton had a definite “side” in the matter. Finally in the end only the judge in whose court he made false statements held him accountable, and that in a minor way (ultimately law license suspended and he was in contempt of the proceedings in her court). Chump change.

How I would hate to try to investigate the potential defendant’s side in this matter. State SOSs and AGs trying to individually pursue this against the interests of the President of the United States??

The only way to avoid such due process mindnumbing hurdles would be if the case became a federal case and the federal prosecutor in DC where Obama resides would pursue it. But as we all know, that will not happen.

Congress could investigate. That would be the House. But they are trying to deal with the occupier of the Oval Office on matters that must be dealt with, and they will have to deal with him after inauguration day as well. There has to be a President, under our system.

I know you are looking at this from the narrow legal perspective you laid out (issue: Presidential election ballot access) and are doing your best to go forward with.


There is so much more to it than that.

34 posted on 12/28/2012 11:17:33 AM PST by txrangerette ("hold to the truth...speak without fear". (Glenn Beck))
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To: txrangerette

The size of the problem is all the more reason it HAS to be addressed.

Right now Congress knows that Obama cannot qualify by Jan 20, 2013, unless his birth facts are legally determined. The starting point for all this is for a Congress-critter to file a lawsuit with standing so the evidence can be looked at and it can be determined whether he qualifies. That is the first step. We have to have that step. If we don’t have that, we have NOTHING. No rule of law. No America.

If, after a legal examination of all the records and explanations for the discrepancies thus far, it is found that he HAS qualified, then Congress has to deal with the crimes that have been committed - the forgeries, the perjury, the fraud, the threats, the destruction of legal records, etc.

If it is found that he has not qualified, then the courts have to figure out what that means regarding what has been unlawfully done for the past 4 years. And law enforcement begins the huge, huge task of investigating and prosecuting all the crimes committed.

That’s how it has to be, unless we concede that the rule of law is gone from this country. In which case, let’s just disband Congress and every law enforcement entity in the country already, since nothing they do matters anyway.

That’s where we’re at. And Congress and everybody else knows it.

35 posted on 12/28/2012 11:51:51 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, would you please consider putting this thread under “Breaking News”? This thread is a call for Freeper action that is time-sensitive and based on a criminal complaint that I have legally filed concerning election fraud.


36 posted on 12/28/2012 12:15:18 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: txrangerette

Ah, this Miracle on 34th st rational was recently used by one of our enlightened judges.

37 posted on 12/28/2012 12:32:31 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: butterdezillion
That’s where we’re at. And Congress and everybody else knows it.

Yes they do, and I predict that not one of them will pony up. Louie Gomert of Trey Goudie, maybe even outgoing Alan West could step up, but I doubt it.

We are reaping what we have sown, and it will be a bitter harvest.

I am sure there will be some 2A people along telling us it could never happen here, but I said when he was elected that we had under gone a bloodless Coup d'état and no one noticed. Well they will notice soon.

You have taken on a task that will not be appreciated not unlike Orly, and you saw how she was pilloried on FR.

38 posted on 12/28/2012 12:39:12 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: itsahoot

I don’t know Goudie. I had thought of Gohmert and West. Does anybody here have any particular “in” with Allen West? He of all people should realize that without the rule of law he’ll never get elected again anyway, simply because of election fraud - which is what this is about.

39 posted on 12/28/2012 1:00:08 PM PST by butterdezillion
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40 posted on 12/28/2012 1:06:33 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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