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History Channel New Propaganda Tool for Oliver Stone's Rewrite of History
Self ^ | 12/2/2012 | Self

Posted on 12/02/2012 7:09:51 PM PST by winner3000

I just listened to yet another disturbing piece of propaganda by Oliver Stone, the Untold History of the United States. It is about the dropping of the atom bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As can be expected in a good leftist piece of propaganda, the point made is that the US was the bad guy (including Truman) , who bamboozled poor Japan and Poor USSR during that time. The horrible US dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan, knowing that Japan was going to surrender without its use within a couple of weeks anyway. Then the laughably improbably logical gymnastics come into play when the propagandist makes the point that although the Japanese did not surrender after the first atomic bomb hit them (makes a laughing stock of the opinion that the Japanese would have surrendered without the bomb having been used), nor after the Soviet Union invaded Manchuria, and they surrendered only after the 2nd bomb was dropped on them, it is the Soviet Union's invasion of Manchuria that finally made them decide to surrender! As you might mention in a pure propaganda movie, only the opinions of leaders who thought at the time that Japan was about to surrender were mentioned. Opinions or evidence to the contrary were totally disregarded, including the actions of Japan alluded above, or its creation of a huge civilian army to repel the upcoming American invasion had the bomb not been used.

This propaganda movie was the second recent "documentary" I watched recently on the History Channel. The first one talked about how the earth made Man. Yes, that's right, Mother Earth's history, including the cataclysms, etc, made Man the way he is through evolution. One examples mentioned in this "historical" documentary was that the hiccup was the remnant of when Man was moving from being a creature that lived in the water, to becoming an amphibian. Of course, we have become unrecognizable from that creature, but hey, for some reason, we didn't evolve out of the hiccup!

The History channel should be ashamed of such pure propaganda, and should at least change its name to the Propaganda Channel if this is the type of programming we can expect. It used to be that the victors wrote the History; unfortunately, it's the liberals who are the film makers, and they are re-writing history...their way!


TOPICS: Education; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: atom; bomb; demagogicparty; godsgravesglyphs; harrytruman; henrywallace; hiroshima; history; japan; nagasaki; oliverdrunk; oliverstone; oliverstoned; worldwarii
I used to love the History channel. If we get a la carte programming, it might not make it to my carte!
1 posted on 12/02/2012 7:09:57 PM PST by winner3000
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To: winner3000

It’s a good thing nobody takes the “History” Channel seriously anymore.


2 posted on 12/02/2012 7:17:32 PM PST by ConservativeTeen (Proud Right Wing Extremist)
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To: winner3000

The new and improved “REVISIONIST HISTORY” channel


3 posted on 12/02/2012 7:17:54 PM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: winner3000

The bottom line is this. Even is oliver stone was correct (snowball’s chance in hell of that ever happening) we still were justified in dropping the nukes. In fact, if we had 20 more nukes we would have been justified in dropping them too. Japan attacked us unprovoked. They forfeited all right to exist.


4 posted on 12/02/2012 7:30:52 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: ronnie raygun

Are you sure the History Channel didn’t bank-role the latest leftist fantasy Lincoln love-fest?


5 posted on 12/02/2012 7:33:10 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: winner3000

*** and they surrendered only after the 2nd bomb was dropped on them, it is the Soviet Union’s invasion of Manchuria that finally made them decide to surrender!***

Years go (early 1980s) I was listening to RADIO MOSCOW on my shortwave set.

Vladimir Pozner was giving his propaganda broadcast about how it was the Soviet invasion that caused the Japanese to surrender, not the nukes.

But then, no one could believe anything from RADIO MOSCOW at that time.


6 posted on 12/02/2012 7:36:59 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: winner3000

I saw a show several years back on the History or Discovery channels that speculated that Japan may have tested a small nuclear weapon in a harbor in Korea during WWII. They described the Japanese effort to develop nuclear weapons and they were further along than you might think. Read a little bit about how they treated American prisoners.


7 posted on 12/02/2012 7:38:33 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: NKP_Vet

Anyone with half a brain knows that the fanatical Japanese would have never surrendered. Hell, they told their men, women and children to fight to the death if Americans invaded mainland Japan. We bombarded the hell out of Iwo Jima for nine months, then lost 7,000 men during the fighting. The Japanese were underground! It would have been the exact same thing if we had invaded the mainland, but a thousand times worse.

I despise leftist/libertarian no-nothings that say the Atomic Bomb was not necessary. It was the only way to end the war without more bloodshed in the hundreds of thousands on both sides.


8 posted on 12/02/2012 7:44:57 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: winner3000

I have never understood this line of thought about the A-bomb attacks. If we would not have used the A-bomb LeMay would have firebombed those cities and others, probably killing as many people or more before forcing the surrender.


9 posted on 12/02/2012 7:49:27 PM PST by MCF
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To: ConservativeTeen
And the History Channel has come against me ever being born, too.

My father went through the european theatre of WWII unscathed; however, he was then slated to go over to the Pacific theatre to participate in the invasion of Japan. The dropping of those two nuclear bombs on Japan ended the war and prevented the probable death of my father in a japanese invasion.

I have a special affection for Pres. Truman's action in that.

10 posted on 12/02/2012 8:18:05 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: Stepan12
Truman was a Great American.

Oliver Stone doesn't say more people would have died with a man invasion

11 posted on 12/02/2012 8:21:28 PM PST by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: Stepan12

Me too. My dad served on an LST in the South Pacific and definitely would have participated in the invasion of mainland Japan. My feeling is that I most likely wouldn’t be here if Truman hadn’t made the decision he did. Thanks for my existence, Harry.

Japan started the war, not the U.S. Actions have consequences.


12 posted on 12/02/2012 8:40:47 PM PST by Big Red Clay (Greetings from the Big Red State)
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To: winner3000

Those two bombs almost certainly saved my father’s life and the lives of millions of other soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines. Look at the battles for Okinawa and Iwo Jima for a vision of what the invasion of Japan would’ve been like. And what’s wrong with “bamboozling” the Japanese and Soviets?


13 posted on 12/02/2012 9:04:35 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: ConservativeTeen

They left out the part that according to MacAurther, there would have been upward of a million casualties to invade Japan.


14 posted on 12/02/2012 9:17:24 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: winner3000
What hogwash.

The Japanese were preparing for an invasion. They would have fought for every inch, with a terrible cost in lives on both sides. My father was in the Pacific, and I probably would not be here had the planned US invasion gone ahead.

The US government ordered huge stockpiles of Purple Heart medals in anticipation of the campaign in the home islands. I believe that hoard of medals is still in use.

Were the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ghastly? Yes. Does anyone doubt that such a bomb would have been dropped on Berlin had it been developed earlier? I do not. The firebombings of Hamburg and Dresden were also horrific.

The alternatives to Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have been tens of millions of Japanese deaths and quite likely the destruction of Japanese culture.
15 posted on 12/02/2012 9:18:58 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: NKP_Vet

BUMP

millions I bet


16 posted on 12/02/2012 9:34:59 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Man it seems like I am in a parallel dimension.

We have switched places with Russia, and we are now the promoters of international socialism, spewing the same propaganda Radio Moscow did in the Cold War...

One thing you can always count on is that Oliver Stone is ALWAYS wrong. Expect that whatever he says is exactly opposite of the truth.


17 posted on 12/02/2012 9:39:50 PM PST by Wildbill22
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To: Nepeta

Many, maybe most, Japanese were aghast at the surrender, there was almost a coup over it!

They would have rather fought


18 posted on 12/02/2012 9:41:09 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Wildbill22

I too have a father who was going to be part of the mainland invasion, predicting 80 percent casualties.

Oliver Stone is not just wrong;

He is evil.


19 posted on 12/02/2012 9:41:43 PM PST by Wildbill22
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To: scooby321

Dropping the two bombs saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Maybe if Stone was one of the young Americans waiting off the coast of Japan with the invasion force he would see this differently. Japan would have been bombed for months by B29 bombers before the invasion. The use of firebombs were almost as deadly as atom bombs. They say over a million Japanese would have died in an invasion and America would have had something like 300,000 casualties.


20 posted on 12/02/2012 10:27:30 PM PST by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: Stepan12

Same here! My dad was with Paton’s Acorn Division and after the European war stopped he was schedled to retrain for the invasion of Japan.

When the world was notified of the use of nukes he was greatly relieved that the war was over.

Interesting not: After the bombing of Nagasaki the US firebombed another city causing about as many casulties as the A-bombs did, but no one noticed because they were regular bombs and not nukes.

Somehow the world is ok with 1000 planes killing 100,000 people but one plane doing the same thing sticks in their craw. They should talk to the men who did not have to invade Japan.


21 posted on 12/02/2012 10:52:41 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: Wildbill22

**Oliver Stone is not just wrong;**

Suppose we could change history and not drop the nuke bombs. Wonder if Oliver Stone and other liberals would volunteer to take the place of our fathers in the front line of the first landing craft into Japan.


22 posted on 12/02/2012 10:56:33 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“Suppose we could change history and not drop the nuke bombs. Wonder if Oliver Stone and other liberals would volunteer to take the place of our fathers in the front line of the first landing craft into Japan”

-The role of the coward is always to diminish the heroic. It is the only way that they can live with themselves.


23 posted on 12/02/2012 11:05:03 PM PST by Wildbill22
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To: ConservativeTeen

I often watch History Channel but this episode escaped me. If I had seen it and it was/is as presented I probably would have flipped,easy to do with Oliver Stone stuff. I was about eighth in a line getting battle gear at a infantry replacement depot on Leyte when a Lt. came out and told us to go back to the tents because the war was over. We certainly before then did not have a feeling the war was over and even with the impending landing on Japan most if not all were wishing for more atomic bombs would be dropped. Sitting in that tent on Leyte I was very glad that the bombs had been dropped. I always believed and still do that the Communistic Russian dictator Stalin decided it was time, beneficial, and opportunistic to go against the Japs and get back some land without much cost. People like Stone need to do more serious and realistic research work before putting out their propaganda. I didn’t notice much regret in the Jap prisoners I was in contact after the war’s end. I’m sure my brother who was killed on Okinawa didn’t believe the Japs would surrender without some overwhelming force being used.


24 posted on 12/02/2012 11:13:29 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I was one of the young infantry replacements on Leyte who did not have to experience the invasion of Japan. I posted comments earlier.


25 posted on 12/02/2012 11:23:37 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: winner3000

His show is on Showtime. He’s a great fan of now known Communist sleeper agent Henry Wallace. Stone can’t get ‘Henry Wallace’s cock out of his mouth. Right, it’s sickening


26 posted on 12/02/2012 11:25:52 PM PST by STD (“Cogito, ergo armatum sum)
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To: Big Red Clay

My old man was on a mine-sweeper in the S. Pacific - so dittos.

Just this morning I said something in my fake “old-fart’s” voice to my kids and said something like “Well, we sure showed them Japs something with those two nukes we dropped on ‘em”.

My son in his best whiny imitation lib voice said “Daaaadddd. You can’t say that - that’s not P.C.!!!”

My wife said “You’re right son, we should say nuclear, not “nukes”.

My son got a kick out of that and can’t wait to share it.

I had to remind the kids that of course NOW we refer to them as Japanese, one of our better friends and allies. But if I am speaking of WWII - they are, and always will be - Japs.


27 posted on 12/02/2012 11:34:24 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: peeps36

From the History Channel website:

“On this day [March 9, 1945], U.S. warplanes launch a new bombing offensive against Japan, dropping 2,000 tons of incendiary bombs on Tokyo over the course of the next 48 hours. Almost 16 square miles in and around the Japanese capital were incinerated, and between 80,000 and 130,000 Japanese civilians were killed in the worst single firestorm in recorded history.”

Jeez. With the Japs so close to surrendering (per Stone) - one would think they would have surrendered after the firebombing of Tokyo.


28 posted on 12/02/2012 11:41:05 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: winner3000
We have been developing "A Patriot's History of the United States" miniseries for TV as an alternative. Here is the trailer

http://vimeo.com/40753311 (password "Rockin" if needed

We have enough connections---my "Rockin' the Wall" documentary is on PBS of all places right now---that we are sure we can get tis on screen. Citizens United is helping with this.

If you want to help or be a part of this, Freepmail me.

29 posted on 12/03/2012 3:43:10 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: winner3000

Point to be made is that the very war-like Japan has been very peaceful in the 70+ years since we nuked them. The Soviets too found the demonstration of willingness and capability very instructive.


30 posted on 12/03/2012 3:47:15 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: winner3000

Do not downplay Soviet factor. Original conventional allied plan against Japan was about landing a massive Soviet forces into mainland Japan. It was a really awful idea for the Japanese.


31 posted on 12/03/2012 4:17:53 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: noinfringers2

>>>>>I always believed and still do that the Communistic Russian dictator Stalin decided it was time, beneficial, and opportunistic to go against the Japs and get back some land without much cost.<<<<<<<<<<

In fact Soviets attacked Japan because they were obliged to do so under treaty. In 1943 US&Britain took obligation to land in France against Nazy. Russian part of the deal was to attack Japan in in a period of 3 months after German surrender. So they did as negotiated.

Before that Soviets and Japan had a non-agression pact with Japan, similar to that broken by Hitler in 1941. Under this pact Soviets de-juro jailed US aircrews landing on their territory after raids on Japan. De-facto Soviets faked documents for the Japanese and handed US airmen to American authorities via Iran.


32 posted on 12/03/2012 4:31:53 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: noinfringers2

Back in 1966, I was stationed at Walker AFB in Roswell NM. One day I went to the public library in Roswell, and while there I looked at a book about Truman. I noticed on the inside page of the back binding were written in INK, the words in big letters....”TRUMAN, MURDERER!”

Underneath it was another paragraph written by someone else, giving a good defense of Truman’s action.

So the viciousness of the LEFT is not a new thing.


33 posted on 12/03/2012 7:50:14 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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Thanks winner3000.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


34 posted on 12/15/2012 11:04:50 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: MCF
If we would not have used the A-bomb LeMay would have firebombed those cities and others, probably killing as many people or more before forcing the surrender.

Those cities were among the few that LeMay hadn't already burned out. You are right, they were doomed one way or the other.

35 posted on 12/18/2012 5:38:45 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: winner3000
I recently re-watched another History offering, the Last Days of WWII. It took the opposite position. In fact, the Japanese weren't surrendering after the second bomb. The Emperor had to convene a meeting of the cabinet at which he basically ordered them to surrender before they finally did. Even then, a junior officer invaded to palace to try to stop it.
36 posted on 12/18/2012 5:48:37 PM PST by colorado tanker
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