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GOP returns Mitt Romney "gifts"
Politico ^ | 11/15/12 | Ginger Gibson

Posted on 11/15/2012 10:03:20 PM PST by TrueStarSpangled

A handful of prominent Republicans criticized Mitt Romney for his disparaging remarks about President Barack Obama’s “gifts” to core constituencies, saying that it was the wrong message to send voters as the party tries to rebuild itself after a bruising defeat. “I don’t think it’s helpful,” Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad told POLITICO at the Republican Governors Association conference on Thursday. “I guess my feeling is that we need to turn the page, and we need to focus on the future and not make excuses for the past.”

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So, Rubio and Jindal, the supposed future of this party, seem content to go into full throttle pander mode to ensure future election prospects. Notwithstanding what we think of Mitt in the rear-view, is the lead-up to 2016 inevitably going a be full out fire-sale on Conservative values as a means to acquire the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave? Isn't there another way?
1 posted on 11/15/2012 10:03:25 PM PST by TrueStarSpangled
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To: TrueStarSpangled

So this is what 1 party rule looks like.

I hate it.


2 posted on 11/15/2012 10:08:21 PM PST by Tzimisce (Will there be anything to fight for in 2016?)
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To: TrueStarSpangled

How are they going into pander mode by pointing out that such comments aren’t constructive?


3 posted on 11/15/2012 10:08:43 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: TrueStarSpangled

Our next struggle to cauterize the wound of this William Weld/Massachusetts disaster of a candidate, is to figure out a way to shut him up, and drive him out of the GOP leadership, or else he will continue his war against the tea party and the right.


4 posted on 11/15/2012 10:14:04 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: Utmost Certainty

They may not be “constructive” comments. That doesn’t change the essential truth of it: Obama de-facto BOUGHT votes. . .


5 posted on 11/15/2012 10:14:36 PM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: TrueStarSpangled

We need to speak truth...truth to powr.

Latino and Black Americans - For God’s sake, WAKE UP!
http://www.jeffhead.com/wakeup.htm

Romney may not have used the best wording, but his remarks about the progressive left and Obama creating an entitlement, and free “stuff,” society are exactly right and we are going to have to educate them as to the fratal nature of that course...not adopt it ourselves.


6 posted on 11/15/2012 10:19:00 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Salgak

owebama did not really NEED to buy any votes - his voter fraud operation was like nothing ever seen before.

Romney’s right and the RINO’s are showing that they cannot handle to truth.

One party - two branches - both totally corrupt to the core.


7 posted on 11/15/2012 10:20:04 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: TrueStarSpangled

“So, Rubio and Jindal, the supposed future of this party, seem content to go into full throttle pander mode to ensure future election prospects.”

I don’t agree with your accessment. Romney surrounds himself with rich people, which is understandable since he is one of them, but he doesn’t get regular people need their social security check that is theirs due to having to pay into it all their lives. I have to have Medicare since there is no other insurance I can get since I’m over 65. He needs nothing so thinks no one else does, either.

His main reason for losing is because he is a liberal and his attitude turns people off.


8 posted on 11/15/2012 10:22:15 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: TrueStarSpangled

Romney told the truth. I just wish he would have done that before the election.


9 posted on 11/15/2012 10:23:02 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

Yeah, he’s like McCain. Too little, too late.


10 posted on 11/15/2012 10:25:33 PM PST by ari-freedom (It's the bennies, stupid.)
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To: TrueStarSpangled

Flip the page back and check voter fraud.Nobody talks about it.I am voting paper ballot next time.


11 posted on 11/15/2012 10:27:29 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: TrueStarSpangled

http://www.therightscoop.com/bill-whittle-where-we-go-from-here/


12 posted on 11/15/2012 10:36:23 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Marcella

The logic amazes me. You criticize Romney in paragraph two with a classic leftwing class warfare argument, with hands off my entitlements to boot. Then in the conclusion you say Romney is too liberal, after using Obama’s Alinskyite critique.


13 posted on 11/15/2012 10:40:59 PM PST by gusty
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To: Marcella
"Severely conservative!"

"Electable!"

"Unskewedpolls.com!"

"Dick Morris!"

Man... everything even remotely related to Mittens' epic electoral belly flop is going to end up, decades from now, being recalled (with a barely repressed shudder) as the political equivalent of Earth shoes, or pet rocks, or the Starland Vocal Band.

At best. ;)

14 posted on 11/15/2012 10:42:38 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: gusty

Well, the social security collecting people were the most pro-Romney voters of any age group, and Romney is way, way, way, too liberal.


15 posted on 11/15/2012 10:50:48 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Man... everything even remotely related to Mittens' epic electoral belly flop is going to end up, decades from now, being recalled (with a barely repressed shudder) as the political equivalent of Earth shoes, or pet rocks, or the Starland Vocal Band.

Earth shoes. Check and agreed.
Pet rocks. Check and agreed.
Starland Vocal Band. Now...wait a second! That's a bridge too far. :-) They were a delight.

16 posted on 11/15/2012 10:51:27 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Jeff Head

” we are going to have to educate them as to the fratal nature of that course...not adopt it ourselves.”
*****

You are wasting your breath. It’s a simple concept; if you are white, you are the enemy. I mean this: I even ask my Filipino bud how non-whites look at the GOP...it’s about skin color and I trust this guy’s opinion.

Unless you can create your own AP/lib media version for conservatives such as yahoo, that is all they will hear.


17 posted on 11/15/2012 10:53:45 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

OTOH - as our open-border demographic slide continues, the 2012 election may be remembered as that time when we last got sort-of close, back when FL, VA, and OH were considered Swing States and not Democrat locks.

It’s over. We live in Venezuela now.


18 posted on 11/15/2012 10:54:30 PM PST by Dagnabitt (If I had a failed President, he'd look like Obama.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
everything even remotely related to Mittens' epic electoral belly flop is going to end up, decades from now, being recalled (with a barely repressed shudder) as the political equivalent of Earth shoes, or pet rocks, or the Starland Vocal Band.

That was a very good observation, I'm going to try a new tag line.

19 posted on 11/15/2012 10:57:34 PM PST by ansel12 (Mittens' epic belly flop will be remembered as the political equivalent of pet rocks & Milli Vanilli)
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To: TrueStarSpangled
From the article:

Rubio said that as a party, “our mission should not be to deny government benefits to people who need them,” but the GOP should work to ensure “less people need government benefits.”

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

20 posted on 11/15/2012 11:02:02 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: gusty; Marcella

The logic amazes me. You criticize Romney in paragraph two with a classic leftwing class warfare argument, with hands off my entitlements to boot. Then in the conclusion you say Romney is too liberal, after using Obama’s Alinskyite critique.


Someone’s lacking “logic” and it is not Marcella. She survives based on the benefits she paid into and planned for all her working life. It’s not like at 65 everyone wants to hire her or that she is even able to work.

You must have been born yesterday to think that if you can get the GOP to abandon retirees, the budget is going to get balanced. These idiots will take the money from Marcella (they want to purge the whitey elderly people via theft/poverty) and spend it on Obama’s mob who have paid nothing for it. That is called wealth transfer. There won’t be any “balanced budget” with this crowd. Ever.


21 posted on 11/15/2012 11:03:46 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: gusty
“The logic amazes me. You criticize Romney in paragraph two with a classic leftwing class warfare argument, with hands off my entitlements to boot.”

What I have is not an entitlement - I paid for my social security and I pay for Medicare every month.

With his present comments, he proved his earlier comment about the 47% (whatever number that was) that got government benefits so would not vote for him. His comment today was Obama gave people gifts so they would vote for him. You see, when anyone gets something from the government even though we paid for it, Romney sees it as a “gift” from the government. That is the business man in him - eliminate all that and save money.

Romney's social acceptance of homosexuals, helping pass a homo marriage bill when he was governor, approving homosexuals in the boy scouts, approving abortion until he ran for president, for gun control, passing government healthcare, etc., etc. He is a liberal.

22 posted on 11/15/2012 11:05:54 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Salgak

True


23 posted on 11/15/2012 11:08:24 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: ansel12

My comment was in response to one particular persons argument. The cut the other guys handout but leave mine alone one. As to the whole SS collecting population, good job by them, but I was not talking about them. As to what’s way too liberal, we might agree or disagree on that. I am personally strong for Liberty through Smaller Government. I am wary of nanny staters be they coming from the left or right, Statists all in my book.


24 posted on 11/15/2012 11:08:58 PM PST by gusty
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To: TrueStarSpangled

The “Free Stuff” has to stop before the country will change. A tall order indeed.


25 posted on 11/15/2012 11:12:41 PM PST by teletech (Say NO to RINOS!)
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To: SaraJohnson; gusty

Thanks, Sara. I am a bit OVER 65 - I am 80. I didn’t have to get on Medicare until I was 76 as my husband still had insurance from his company until I was 76 and I was on that. So, I SAVED the GOVERMENT MONEY! There is something about Social Security that is not fair. I paid into that all my life, but since my husband died, I can only draw one of those, either his or mine. So, the GOVERNMENT MADE MONEY as they kept my paid in Social Security money and I only have his.


26 posted on 11/15/2012 11:18:29 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: cynwoody

At some time many people will have to face reality that not all persons seemingly in need are deserving of taking ‘benefits’ away from others. There seems to be a prevailing social attitude that any person deserves to some extent more or less to have what his neighbor has. It seems to me that this is the root of the welfare state or some other name.


27 posted on 11/15/2012 11:19:35 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Marcella
I am 80.

Come, come, young lady. Is your mother at home right now, or isn't she? ;)

28 posted on 11/15/2012 11:20:47 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: gusty

There is no argument about Romney being too liberal, he is.

You sound like a social liberal yourself, if so, as a liberal, you probably thought that the Massachusetts governor was pretty much OK for your politics.


29 posted on 11/15/2012 11:21:39 PM PST by ansel12 (Mittens' epic belly flop will be remembered as the political equivalent of pet rocks & Milli Vanilli)
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To: Marcella

By definition SS and Medicare are entitlements. That is what they are called.That is the category they are listed under in the budget. By the time we shuffle off this mortal coil, a vast majority will collect way more than they paid in. The paid in part runs out, I will be conservative, in five to six years. So after age 71, yes you will be receiving somebody else’s money, and so will I. Though in my case the whole system will probably have gone bankrupt, so maybe not for me. I say keep getting what your getting, but for us under 55, we got to set up something different for the simple reason we will run out of money. I accept this for myself. I am not going to receive the entitlements those older than me get. I’m fine with that, as long as we can get some fiscal sanity.


30 posted on 11/15/2012 11:22:23 PM PST by gusty
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To: gusty

“By definition SS and Medicare are entitlements.”

I am aware of that but I reject that name as it has come to mean something “free” and it is not. In the beginning, it meant a person was entitled to something due to something that happened to give them ownership of something - they were entitled to it - a title is ownership of something. I owned my social security account that I paid into so I was entitled to it - it was not a gift.

Maybe you will be so wealthy, you won’t need yours when you are retirement age and you can give that money, your money you paid in, back to the government.


31 posted on 11/15/2012 11:33:02 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: ansel12

Considering the other alternative, Obama, he was the best choice I had. As to being a social liberal, we probably agree on most of those issues, however I place economic and national security ones higher on the list of priorities. I’m pro-life, based on simple logic and science. As to gay rights, what someone does in private is none of my business, but it becomes my business when they demand I alter my own private views. Like I said, we agree more than we disagree, but we have different priorities, not views.


32 posted on 11/15/2012 11:36:53 PM PST by gusty
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

“Come, come, young lady. Is your mother at home right now, or isn’t she? ;)”

I live alone with my Yorkie, Prissy. I am that old and have seen many US presidents come and go.

I am also a prepper and write prepper articles on a survival website. I stay very busy writing and reading and researching.


33 posted on 11/15/2012 11:37:40 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: SaraJohnson; gusty; Marcella

It would sure be great if we could get the wealthy and even the over $100,000 crowd to vote like the social security crowd, man, conservatism would rule.


34 posted on 11/15/2012 11:40:01 PM PST by ansel12 (Mittens' epic belly flop will be remembered as the political equivalent of pet rocks & Milli Vanilli)
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To: gusty

You are somewhat liberal, and naturally, a liberal like Romney is a much better fit for you than for conservatives.


35 posted on 11/15/2012 11:42:00 PM PST by ansel12 (Mittens' epic belly flop will be remembered as the political equivalent of pet rocks & Milli Vanilli)
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To: Marcella

When I reach retirement age, which for other reasons is never, there will be no more money left. It will be long gone. I plan on working as long as physically possible. I had a neighbor growing up who lived his whole life toward his retirement. Denied himself for years to build that retirement nest egg. The day came he planned for, he got the party and the gold watch, but he dropped dead by the end of the week. All that sacrifice for nothing. Because of that I swore I would never retire.


36 posted on 11/15/2012 11:43:40 PM PST by gusty
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To: ansel12

I think a better fit for you would be New Deal Democrat. You seem to like all the class warfare, soak the rich arguments. The only difference between you and Nancy Pelosi is that you differ on what to spend other people’s money on. Or maybe you are right. You must be using the true meaning of the words. I am a classical liberal, one who believes in free markets and small government. And you are a classic conservative, one who believes in strong autocratic clerical government like the Holy Alliance in post-Napoleonic Europe.
The Austro-Hungarian Empire must be your ideal society.


37 posted on 11/15/2012 11:54:58 PM PST by gusty
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To: gusty

By definition SS and Medicare are entitlements. That is what they are called.That is the category they are listed under in the budget.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
I don’t care what they are listed as.
Just because ‘they’ said that booze and drugs were not a behavioral problem, but an illness (that they now pay bennies from SS funds) doesn’t make it true.

Well, if SS and Medicare are entitlements - which means it is ‘given’ to us, that would mean that since 1953 the government has been STEALING money from me, right out of my pocket.

I didn’t ‘blow’ the money, it was never mine to do anything with.

Now whether or not this trend can be continued is another story but for people like you to sit there and try and convince others that paying into FICA and MEDICARE for a great portion of ones life is an entitlement is wrong.

FICA itself was/is called Federal Insurance CONTRIBUTION Act.


38 posted on 11/16/2012 12:03:04 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "Hope in one hand and $hiite in the other and see which fills up first".)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Romney, for all his faults, in this case is asserting the truth. It’s a shame it took him until there was nothing more to lose to use such candor. If we estimate the most effective path to future success is merely doing an impression of the other guys, what is the point?


39 posted on 11/16/2012 12:04:17 AM PST by TrueStarSpangled
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To: gusty

That was one silly post, and it made no sense at all.

Care to quote me saying any of that? You can’t, it was just angry lying on your part, and rather strange, bizarre lying at that.

I can quote you embracing Nancy Pelosi’s and the left’s position on homosexuality though.

You can be quoted as liberal, I can be quoted as conservative, and wishing for the wealthy to vote more conservative, to vote as conservative as our social security collectors.

My appeal for more conservative voting, seems to have upset you.


40 posted on 11/16/2012 12:21:13 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Jeff Head

Free stuff — gotta see it to believe it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL-a-r7iJIU


41 posted on 11/16/2012 2:01:19 AM PST by EverOnward
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To: Jeff Head

Free stuff — gotta see it to believe it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL-a-r7iJIU


42 posted on 11/16/2012 2:02:16 AM PST by EverOnward
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To: Jeff Head

Damn right. Romney was spot-on about this, regardless of what “other leading Republicans” have to say about it.

It became a matter of fighting against a pandering incumbent who had and used the full strength of governmental resources to get reelected.

I heard those ads directed at young voters here in Virginia, offering yet more federal student grants... “all we`re asking is for wealthy Americans to contribute more to invest in your educational future. How does that sound?”

On this point, Romney is right. The parasite class will always gravitate to whomever throws them the juiciest bait.


43 posted on 11/16/2012 2:14:27 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: 43north

Romney’s right and the RINO’s are showing that they cannot handle to truth.

And what do you call Romney? Are you claiming that Romney is not a RINO? Basically the RINOs are just trying to out do the big RINO.


44 posted on 11/16/2012 2:34:24 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: TrueStarSpangled
“So, Rubio and Jindal, the supposed future of this party, seem content to go into full throttle pander mode to ensure future election prospects.”

Well said. We need to look to someone who isn't going to pander and act like Democrats. These two have been crossed off my list.

45 posted on 11/16/2012 3:50:31 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: ScottinVA
I just wish Romney had said more things like this during the campaign and prominently featured that woman with her free Obamaphone (which actually came from the taxpayers of this country, not Obama).

That last debate was as if Romney was in complete agreement with everything Obama said. It was weird. Romney's speaks the truth after the election and the Republicans are running away from the truth.

46 posted on 11/16/2012 3:57:37 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: Tzimisce
So this is what 1 party rule looks like. I hate it.

Me too! The GOP needs to be sent to the nursing home. The tactics are old and out of date. There needs to be a new party created - someone on another had a great name - The Real Conservative Party. IMO, their MAIN issue should always be the economy and fiscal responsibility. Granted there are 4 other poles to the tent, but the center pole needs to be those two tppics. I don't care what color, gender, orgin, religion, sexual orientation you are, but if you share our values you are in. I know I am going to get flamed for that last one, but I don't care - I want to win back the White House in a bad way, and being a little flexible but firm it can be done.

47 posted on 11/16/2012 4:06:19 AM PST by Cyclone59 (Obama is like Ron Burgundy - he will read ANYTHING that is on the teleprompter)
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To: TrueStarSpangled

This election worked out perfectly to Washington DC’s ends. Every advance of the left accrues more power to DC...and then the Oligarghy takes turns playing with the new batch of toys....of which ObamaCare is merely one of the latest games they get to enjoy. Rubio and Jindal merely see their turn coming unless We the People get up on our high horse and do something about it!

Ensuring a “fair vote” in some of the ghetto communities....why would anybody in DC wanna spend time DOING THAT?!!! Hard work, potentially dangerous...and besides could interfere with the whole game!!!

This problem is clearly only solved by We the People out in Flyover Country. If we’re tired of the DC “two party” illusion and want a real system....the hard work starts locally. BTW the left has been there almost 100 years now...and uprooting them will take some effort.


48 posted on 11/16/2012 4:09:22 AM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: TrueStarSpangled
“I don’t think it’s helpful,” Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad told POLITICO at the Republican Governors Association conference on Thursday. “I guess my feeling is that we need to turn the page, and we need to focus on the future and not make excuses for the past.”

Spoken like a true executive who doesn't want, or doesn't know how, to fix any real problem. Yes, by all means let's "move on"... or "forward," if you will.

While still superior to the truly awful Tom Vilsack (currently Obama's Ag Secretary... despite not knowing anything about farming) and Chet "Lumpy Rutherford" Culver, Terry Branstad has never been particularly averse to "free s**t." Without the influx of federal - i.e., other people's - money, Iowa would see depopulation until there were nothing but government workers, landed Junkers, enough low-wage farm supply and roadbuilding workers to service same, and the bones of our ancestors.

Unpleasant to contemplate, but on the other hand, it would eliminate most of the diversity imports from Illinois.

Mr. niteowl77

49 posted on 11/16/2012 4:18:31 AM PST by niteowl77 (Getting stuck with other peoples' just desserts good and hard for over 50 years.)
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To: Tzimisce
So this is what 1 party rule looks like.

I hate it.

You're not alone.

50 posted on 11/16/2012 4:47:17 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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