Posted on 11/08/2012 12:19:42 AM PST by Mr170IQ
1. There was an aborted meme a month back about one of Mitt’s sons owning a voting machine company. Maybe he can provide insight into this.
2. Maybe some intrepid “entrepreneur” can break into a warehouse and take a look at a random machine...just saying...
3. Another Freeper posted there are 160,000 precincts, and if 20 Republican votes are taken from each one, that explains why Mitt got less votes than McCain.
4. How about one of the eeeeeeeeevil Republican millionaires offer $1 million dollars to the first person to provide, beyond a reasonable doubt, solid proof of voter fraud. Especially with regard to voting machines.
5. In EACH race, PAY three “Rethuglicans”, a lawyer, and a fifth person (set up like James O’Keefe) to attend every precinct to monitor the situation.
6. I’d like Smokey The Orange Boner to call the Dems’ bluff at the fiscal cliff meetings. Demand paper ballots and ID as part of the budget deal and tell them they can have whatever they want. They will never go for it, thereby raising a lot of questions. (I’m being half serious here)
Crooked Politics: Obama Lost in Every State With Photo ID Law
http://american3rdposition.com/?p=8416
I still say we have the best representation that Saudi oil money can buy!
Dont forget that a company in Spain was hired to count a “portion” of the electronic votes...then send the results back to the US. As I was watching the post election coverage, I noticed that Spain was very happy that Obama won....just sayin
we ALL need to converve and make a working plan to take our country back.
“While I agree with your feelings, I just want to mention that your short time membership here is a minus to what you are saying... tread a bit lighter as to not piss of the wrong people here”
Sir, I appreciate the warning. I’m just delivering the (as I see it), much needed kick in the groin. We can’t afford another disaster like this past primary season again. We have to ensure that a conservative wins the nomination.
Note,
If we get adequate evidence of widespread voter fraud, we don’t even need to have action at the ‘Secretary of State’ levels to reject the fraudulent election and move the election into the House of Reps.
The Twelfth Amendment mandates that the Congress assemble in joint session to count the electoral votes and declare the winners of the election.[45] The session is ordinarily required to take place on January 6 in the calendar year immediately following the meetings of the presidential electors.[46] Since the Twentieth Amendment, the newly elected House declares the winner of the election; all elections before 1936 were determined by the outgoing House instead.
The meeting is held at 1:00 p.m. in the Chamber of the U.S. House of Representatives.[46] The sitting Vice President is expected to preside, but in several cases the President pro tempore of the Senate has chaired the proceedings instead. The Vice President and the Speaker of the House sit at the podium, with the Vice President in the seat of the Speaker of the House. Senate pages bring in the two mahogany boxes containing each state’s certified vote and place them on tables in front of the Senators and Representatives. Each house appoints two tellers to count the vote (normally one member of each political party). Relevant portions of the Certificate of Vote are read for each state, in alphabetical order.
Members of Congress can object to any state’s vote count, provided that the objection is presented in writing and is signed by at least one member of each house of Congress. An objection supported by at least one Senator and one Representative will be followed by the suspension of the joint session and by separate debates and votes in each House of Congress; after both Houses deliberate on the objection, the joint session is resumed. A State’s certificate of vote can be rejected only if both Houses of Congress vote to accept the objection. In that case, the votes from the State in question are simply ignored. The votes of Arkansas and Louisiana were rejected in the presidential election of 1872.[47]
Objections to the electoral vote count are rarely raised, although it did occur during the vote count in 2001 after the close 2000 presidential election between Governor George W. Bush of Texas and the Vice President of the United States, Al Gore. Vice President Gore, who as Vice President was required to preside over his own Electoral College defeat (by five electoral votes), denied the objections, all of which were raised only by several House members and would have favored his candidacy, after no Senators would agree to jointly object. Objections were again raised in the vote count of the 2004 elections, and on that occasion the document was presented by one Representative and one Senator. Although the joint session was suspended, the objections were quickly disposed of and rejected by both Houses of Congress. If there are no objections or all objections are overruled, the presiding officer simply includes a State’s votes, as declared in the certificate of vote, in the official tally.
After the certificates from all States are read and the respective votes are counted, the presiding officer simply announces the final result of the vote and, provided that the required absolute majority of votes was achieved, declares the names of the persons elected President and Vice President. This announcement concludes the joint session and formalizes the recognition of the President-elect and of the Vice President-elect. The Senators then depart from the House Chamber. The final tally is printed in the Senate and House journals.
Contingent presidential election by House
Pursuant to the Twelfth Amendment, the House of Representatives is required to go into session immediately to vote for President if no candidate for President receives a majority of the electoral votes (since 1964, 270 of the 538 electoral votes).
In this event, the House of Representatives is limited to choosing from among the three candidates who received the most electoral votes. Each state delegation votes en bloc – each delegation having a single vote; the District of Columbia does not receive a vote. A candidate must receive an absolute majority of state delegation votes (i.e., at present, a minimum of 26 votes) in order for that candidate to become the President-elect. Additionally, delegations from at least two-thirds of all the states must be present for voting to take place. The House continues balloting until it elects a President.
The House of Representatives has chosen the President only twice: once under Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 (in 1801) and once under the Twelfth Amendment (in 1825).
I was hoping someone else would speak up... they haven’t..
You need to lay down your definition of extreme, and FAR FAR right..
To the Democraps, ‘extreme’ is anyone slightly LEFT of center... FAR FAR right is Libertarian.. (either and or, by their definition) is actually rotating to extreme LEFT.
I think (hope) what you meant was a true conservative that has moral values. (And, a LIBertarian is not an option.. There are no moral values in LIBertarialism.. only pot(heads)).
Look how red the county map is. PA was solid red except for Black Panther City.
Look how red the county map is. PA was solid red except for Black Panther City.
My FRiend, I cannot argue with that.. was going to put a smiley after that.. but, there is nothing to smile about :/
I was not disagreeing with you at all.
Expensive, yes.
Long and drawn out - no. If proof is not obtained before Jan. 6th, then it would be too late to block the election in the joint session of congress. At that point the only remedy would be impeachment and removal - which would not happen, because the Rat senators have no shame.
We just have to accept the results and move on. However, I still feel this election was stolen.
Do not go quietly into the good night, rage against the dying of the light.
I believe the USA is still worth fighting for.
That definitely is another piece of evidence supporting this theory.
I've given my preferred method for finding proof. There are also statistical methods which would be easier and cheaper, but less conclusive.
I would remind all that there was ( if I recall correctly )an Arizona television station and another that inadvertently announced the election results the week before the election and in both cases they announced that Obama was the winner.
There is not hyperbole in the claim that our voting process lacks verifiability. There once was. A few decades ago precincts, after closing their polls, sat, with representatives from each party, and counted the paper ballots as they took them from the bin, in full view of their neighbors, since poll workers were registered voters of the precinct the managed. They were a critical part of the process. Today no poll worker has any idea of how the counts are passed to the state attorneys general, or what the count actually was. The local count was once the legal value unless a recount was requested, and could be confirmed by the stored ballots.
As the precincts count ballots they are placed in secure boxes which are sent, after the count is completed, to secure vaults, never to be touched unless a recount is requested. That connection with the local hand counts becoming the official represented vote provided an audit trail - a chain of ownership for the vote. Today there is no such chain of ownership, no audit trail, and only officials with fiduciary/political interests in the outcome have any idea of the values presumably delivered from each precinct.
The reasons claimed for the changes made to the process were several, but one was the requirement by television networks for real time reporting of the results. What few citizens knew at the time was that the actual tally federal votes was performed at a network-owned corporation, Voter News Service, in New York. Most would question the propriety of having the direction of our republic established by a corporation owned by NBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox. But cheating with machines is much easier than cheating when neighbors count paper ballots in full view, sign their agreement to the final report, and see the locked ballot boxes to sealed storage.
Absentee ballots in most states are counted by SEIU employees, out of public purview. Presumably-legal observers are often treated treated with hostility and even threats. I was one of those observers in Calif. Is there any chance the SEIU employees would pass on an unauditable vote count not favorable to their future employment or salaries? Their employer the State AG, would have to require a recount, and that won't happen.
Some were surprised that Americans living in Israel voted for Romney by 89%. Israel is one of the countries that uses auditable paper ballots. Personal experience, having very liberal relatives living in Israel, US citizen Jews in Israel do not vote significantly differently from Jews in the US. Israel is a more secular country than the US. More US Jews are conservative.
The assumptions being made about why this or that group voted as they did has no foundation in real votes. We have no idea of the choices made by voters. There are no data that would satisfy the integrity requirements for real statisticians. Our voting system is designed for corruption. Every computer-based vote counting system can be compromised, and has probably been selected because the interested political classes want to preserve their ability to control elections. Today, paper ballots and local human counts might show that we are a very different nation than the media are reporting about. Their reports are preparing us for the changes some would like to impose on us as a nation. They may have succeeded, and corrupted voting processes, as simple as they seem, may be the most important tool in their armory.
I hope and pray that Conservatives are not donating to the RNC. The whole organization has been infested, gone soft, or something and needs to be fired. For two elections they could not beat this thugster? Seriously? The apple barrel is rotten and to capitalize on their “mantra” about firing Obama for not getting the job done, well, the RNC didn’t the job done. Fire them.
I don’t think they dropped votes, I think they “flipped” Romney votes to Obama. That way all the totals showed correctly. In a close election, all you would have to do is flip 5% or one in every 20 votes. This is consistent with data showing vote totals were way up in R counties and down in the cities. They just flipped over what they needed.
“When the Spanish online voting company SCYTL bought the largest vote processing corporation in the United States, it also acquired the means of manufacturing the outcome of the 2012 election. For SOE, the Tampa based corporation purchased by SCYTL in January, supplies the election software which records, counts, and reports the votes of Americans in 26 states–900 total jurisdictions–across the nation.
As the largest election results reporting company in the US, SOE provides reports right down to the precinct level. But before going anywhere else, those election returns are routed to individual, company servers where the people who run them “…get ‘first look’ at results and the ability to immediately and privately examine vote details throughout the USA.” In short, “this redirects results …to a centralized privately held server which is not just for Ohio, but national; not just USA-based, but global.””
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Nevertheless, in spite of warnings by experts across the nation, American soldiers overseas will once again vote via the internet in 2012. And because SCYTL will control the method of voting and—thanks to the purchase of SOE–the method of counting the votes as well, there “…will be no ballots, no physical evidence, no way for the public to authenticate who actually cast the votes…or the count.”
The American advocacy group Project Vote has concluded that SCYTL’s internet voting system is vulnerable to attack from the outside AND the inside, a situation which could result in “…an election that does not accurately reflect the will of the voters…” “
http://www.westernjournalism.com/spanish-company-will-count-american-votes-overseas-in-november/
I expect a bunch of replies that its the GOP-e’s fault for sticking us with a moderate candidate, etc... Hey, that's what primaries are for. Romney won the primary for several reasons, not the least of which was the arrogance and selfishness of the conservatives who split the vote. Those who argue that it is time to abandon the GOP and form a third party, how did Johnson, Goode and the rest of the third parties do? Romney was not the ideal candidate, but would have been light years better than Obama... but our side decided that it was better to have Obama than a not perfect Romney.
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