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What Will The End Of The United States Look Like ?
Alan Levy's Brain | 8/19/12 | Alan Levy

Posted on 08/19/2012 10:36:43 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama

As we stand at the edge of complete economic, political, and social disaster as a nation, I can't help but wonder what the end of the United States will look like. Will it look like Weimar Germany, with its hyperinflation and street battles between socialists (Yes, the Nazis were socialists) and communists ? Will it look like Greece, a bankrupted social democracy with absolutely no chance of ever righting the ship ? Will it look like the mindless mass murders that were the hallmarks of the French and Russian Revoulutions ?

An argument can be made for each of the examples I've listed above. With the Federal Reserve printing money like there's no tomorrow, the hyperinflation and resulting chaos of the Weimar Republic is certainly possible. With 100 trillion dollars in unpaid liabilities due to entitlements, the United States certainly has a chance to become Greece. With the constant attacks on Christianity and Judaism by the Anti-God Left, a French Revolution of sorts on American soil is certainly possible, and as Occupy Wall Street showed in its own incompetent way, a violent Russian Revolution of sorts on American soil may be in our not-so-distant future.

Or could we become post-apartheid South Africa, a relatively wealthy and modern country heading to utter collapse due to racial violence, an out of control leftist government, and a non-existent immigration policy ?

Before we get started, let me make something crystal clear. The fall of apartheid in South Africa was one of mankind's better moments. Apartheid was an inhuman, vile system. As Ayn Rand pointed out in the Virtue of Selfishness:

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"Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage—the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors.

Racism claims that the content of a man’s mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man’s convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical factors beyond his control. This is the caveman’s version of the doctrine of innate ideas—or of inherited knowledge—which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism, appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of animals, but not between animals and men.

Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty. Racism negates two aspects of man’s life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination."

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Apartheid wasn't a creation of the Right. Like every other social illness of the 19th and 20th centuries, apartheid was a creation of the Left, much like segregation in the South.

As economist Thomas Hazlett wrote:

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"The now-defunct apartheid system of South Africa presented a fascinating instance of interest-group competition for political advantage. In light of the extreme human rights abuses stemming from apartheid, it is remarkable that so little attention has been paid to the economic foundations of that torturous social structure. The conventional view is that apartheid was devised by affluent whites to suppress poor blacks. In fact, the system sprang from class warfare and was largely the creation of white workers struggling against both the black majority and white capitalists. Apartheid was born in the political victory of radical white trade unions over both of their rivals. In short, this cruelly oppressive economic system was socialism with a racist face."

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Apartheid.html#abouttheauthor

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Apartheid was basically begun as a system to protect white union miners from competition from black non-union miners in the early 1900's. (In other words, they have the same racist origin that American unions do.) The National Party government that made apartheid the law of the land in South Africa was a socialist/fascist dictatorship. (One of the battle cries of the apartheid regime was "Workers of the world unite, fight for a white South Africa!")

After the election of Nelson Mandela (a murdering terrorist, despite the accolades heaped on him by the arrogant and lazy mainstream media) in 1994, South Africa began to crumble. Mandela's party, the African National Congress (ANC), wasn't at all interested in building the "Rainbow Nation" that he so waxed so eloquently about. It was a Marxist party hell bent on retribution and the redistribution of wealth. (As an aside note, the National Party ended up merging with the ANC. Collectivists of a feather always flock together.)

A new South African Constitution was written by the ANC which institutionalized the redistribution of wealth. Instead of being a charter of negative liberties like the US Constitution, the South African Constitution was intended to be a license for the South African government to do whatever it wanted for the "common good" of the people. For example, from the South African Constitution:

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"A person or community whose tenure of land is legally insecure as a result of past racially discriminatory laws or practices is entitled, to the extent provided by an Act of Parliament, either to tenure which is legally secure or to comparable redress.

A person or community dispossessed of property after 19 June 1913 as a result of past racially discriminatory laws or practices is entitled, to the extent provided by an Act of Parliament, either to restitution of that property or to equitable redress.

No provision of this section may impede the state from taking legislative and other measures to achieve land, water and related reform, in order to redress the results of past racial discrimination, provided that any departure from the provisions of this section is in accordance with the provisions of section 36(1)."

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In other words, property rights and indiviual sovereignty in South Africa no longer exist. For example, an Afrikaner farmer could lose his farm because of the actions of a long-dead distant relative. This is a complete and total breakdown of the civil society, since it punishes individuals for for the actions of others.

The South African Constitution also guarantees that all citizens have the right to housing, food, water, public assistance, a healthy environment, and secondary education, much like the old Soviet Constitution. Also like the old Soviet Constitution, it didn't produce a utopia, it produced a dystopia. No government is capable of such largesse, it simply isn't humanly possible, even for a relatively wealthy nation like South Africa. Anger and hatred became (particularly against the white Afrikaner minority) became the norm. Roving gangs of black youths, egged on by ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema, began terrorizing Afrikaner farmers. The reasoning behind it was this: If the government can't give it to us fast enough, we'll simply take it because we have a right to it. (Since 1994, over 3000 Afrikaner farmers have been murdered. The vast majority of these crimes aren't investigated by police and are chalked up to common criminals, according to Genocide Watch.)

Poverty grew quickly in the post apatheid years. Shanty towns around major cities grew at an alarming rate. Crime quickly became uncontrollable. (The city of Johannesberg, once a major center of culture in the world, quickly became the world's most crime ridden city.) Unemployment became rampant. The immigration system broke down as refugees from Malawi, Mozambique, Nigeria, and Zimbabwe flooded over South Africa's borders, adding not only more crime and additional burden to the welfare state, but more racial tensions.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is where America is heading. Like South Africa, we have a government that is more interested in the redistribution of wealth than anything else. The attacks on ranchers in southern Arizona by rampaging illegal aliens from Mexico may not have had tragic the loss of life that the attacks on Afrikaner farms have had, but the situations are certainly similiar. We've already seen how the entitlement mentality creates poverty and crime in our inner cities. How much longer until that situation devolves into shanty towns ? As far as racial tensions go(especially ones that could lead to violence), they're only going to get worse with leftist race hustlers like Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson running amok.

It may have took us a hundred years to get here, but we don't have a hundred years to fix it, that's for sure.

God help us all.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: afikanergenocide; apartheid; cw2; cwii; freepereditorial; obama; racism; socialism; southafrica
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To: bayouranger

Joseph Farah and his staff at WorldNet Daily are the only American media figures who give a hoot about the plight of the Afrikaner farmers. As far as the arrogant and lazy mainstream media is concerned, after that murdering slime Nelson Mandela oozed his way out of prison, everyone in SA lived happily ever after.

That certainly didn’t happen.


101 posted on 08/19/2012 6:50:25 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: mjp

That wouldn’t be ideal either.


102 posted on 08/19/2012 6:53:49 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: mjp

That wouldn’t be ideal either.


103 posted on 08/19/2012 6:54:07 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Nebr FAL owner

Rwanda ? Yikes!

But we’re on a path to complete disaster, so I guess it’s not impossible.


104 posted on 08/19/2012 6:59:13 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

That’s simple to explain:

They’re all guilty of supporting it.

Time is the last thing they have to worry about. They’re done.


105 posted on 08/19/2012 7:01:42 PM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Kevmo

Our great great grandchildren will certainly be reading that in their textbooks, won’t they ?


106 posted on 08/19/2012 7:02:22 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Miss Behave

Call me a throwback, but I don’t trust the Russians as far as I can throw them.


107 posted on 08/19/2012 7:04:11 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Jack Hammer

Agreed.


108 posted on 08/19/2012 7:05:53 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

You should pretty much be able to see it from where you’re standing.


109 posted on 08/19/2012 7:07:08 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: X-spurt

I certainly hope that scenario doesn’t happen either.


110 posted on 08/19/2012 7:11:29 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Captain Beyond

Thank you!


111 posted on 08/19/2012 7:13:20 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Wife of D28Man

I agree with you, but the simple fact that 45% of all Americans think B. Hussein Obama is doing a good job. If that’s not a clear sign of decline, I don’t know what is.


112 posted on 08/19/2012 7:15:57 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: bayouranger

I couldn’t agree more. There’s blood on the hands of every lamestreamer who supported Mandela.


113 posted on 08/19/2012 7:19:41 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Nachum; TheOldLady

Dunno if I pinged you guys, if so, please disregard with my apologies.

Ping!


114 posted on 08/19/2012 7:22:56 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

I understand, and there is a serious socio-economic/political problem in the works here because of our illegal immigration problem ... but I’d hardly consider our situation comparable to South Africa’s in that regard. These Mexican immigrants are hardly the “worst of the worst,” from my perspective. As one Freeper astutely admitted recently, “I’ve never seen a Mexican panhandler here in the U.S.”


115 posted on 08/19/2012 7:27:59 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Absolutely Nobama
There’s blood on the hands of every lamestreamer who supported Mandela.

When Ernie Ells went out of his way to praise Mandela on the 18th green after winning the British Open, I couldn't believe what I was hearing. He reaffirmed his praise the next day. No wonder the logo on his chest says SAP.

116 posted on 08/19/2012 7:52:57 PM PDT by j_tull (Massachusetts once lead the American Revolution. Under Mitt Romney, it lead the demise.)
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To: Alberta's Child

They’re not immigrants, they’re criminals. Look what they’ve done to LA, San Diego, Phoenix, and parts of Miami. They refuse to learn English, they pay no taxes, leech off of welfare, and bring gangs to the US.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/29/border-states-dealing-illegal-immigrant-crime-data-suggests/

Anyone who does not respect the sovereignty of the United States doesn’t belong here. I have no problem with anyone immigrating to the US, but is it really too much to ask that they do so legally ?


117 posted on 08/19/2012 8:08:42 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Lurker

Yep.


118 posted on 08/19/2012 8:11:19 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama
I don't disagree with you, but I'd also suggest that illegal immigration by itself is not really the problem. The REAL problem is that illegal immigration -- combined with a bloated welfare state -- is a recipe for financial disaster. There's a reason why California's problems with illegal aliens are orders of magnitude worse than those in Texas. It's because California spent several decades building a welfare state that attracted these aliens like a porch light attracts moths.

Eliminate the welfare state and you eliminate a big chunk of the problem.

119 posted on 08/19/2012 8:19:43 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: j_tull

It’s a shame since Els would be a great spokesman for his fellow Afrikaners suffering at the hands of the ANC. I guess he’s afraid of losing sponsors for being politically incorrect.

Again, as I stated in my column, apartheid was an unspeakable evil. Very few Afrikaners would want to relive the horrors of the old National Party socialist/fascist dictatorship or would want apartheid back. At the same time, they want to be treated like equals, which they are clearly not.

South Africa is a great example of leftism run amok, from the National Party to the ANC.


120 posted on 08/19/2012 8:28:54 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Alberta's Child

“Eliminate the welfare state and you eliminate a big chunk of the problem.”

Without question.

+1 !


121 posted on 08/19/2012 8:30:59 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama; sf4dubya

Wonderful, as always!

Thank you for the ping!


122 posted on 08/19/2012 11:29:11 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

If it did, you can bet that after a couple of years, the lib half would come “demanding” to be bailed out...heh heh


123 posted on 08/20/2012 6:13:46 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Elections have consequences....)
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To: Wildbill22

“If it does happen, the end of the US in it’s present form may not necessarily mean “the end”.”

Nothing lasts forever. Nothing.
Not even nations.

The United States of America had a good run, but I sense that its time is drawing close to the end — at least the end of America “as we know and recognize it to be”.

Something else is coming down the pike. We can’t be sure of what form it will take yet.

It may be a continuance of the USA as a territorial entity, but with a significantly different form of government, as distinguished from the government which it was bequeathed by its founders. The “government that is coming” may be something far more akin to socialism (many here would claim it already is), with the notion of “the rule of law” largely replaced by the “rule of man/men” (more power concentrated in the presidency, but vastly more power in the hands of bureaucrats and regulators). Oh, we’ll still have the same flag, and the same “Constitution” on paper, but it will have become pretty much “for show” only — as quaint and ancient as the Magna Carta is for the British.

Or, it could be some kind of “North American Union” between Mexico and the United States, perhaps with Canada as well. We are certainly moving towards a situation where the Southern Border is all-but dissolved, since the federal government no longer seems to have any interest in maintaining its integrity nor any desire to control the deluge that pours across it.

Finally, it could go the other way — that is, we could see some kind of Soviet-style breakup of North America and the formation of several “new nations” involving the USA, Canada, and perhaps Mexico (with the emergence of Atzlan taking southern California, Arizona, New Mexico, and even a portion of Texas).

For those reading this who laugh at the notion of an American breakup, think back to 1980. If someone had suggested then that within a dozen years, the mighty Soviet Union would exist no more, how would you have regarded such a statement?

As a child, I was taught the Pledge of Allegiance with the line, “one nation, indivisible”. That may have been true in the 1950’s, but it’s no longer the case, not at all. Look at the “division” that exists between “the reds” and “the blues” today. And the gaps are deepening into chasms. The country is literally splitting apart into two opposing camps, even if the borders for now remain intact.

What was the remark that Ben Franklin made to the woman who, during the Constitutional Convention, inquired as to what form of government they had worked out for the new nation?
“A republic, if you can keep it”, I believe he said.

Well, we had a republic for quite some time, but after the 1950’s we seem to have lost interest in “keeping it”. Instead, in a hopeless drive to be “egalitarian” and compassionate, we have literally given it away.

It remains to be seen what we’ll end up with, in its stead.


124 posted on 08/20/2012 12:37:40 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: Road Glide

It looks like this Russian may have been right after all, only a couple years late?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html


125 posted on 08/20/2012 1:56:20 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: dixiechick2000

Glad you enjoyed it!


126 posted on 08/20/2012 7:17:48 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: B.O. Plenty

At that point, I’d develop long pockets and short arms, if you catch my meaning.


127 posted on 08/20/2012 7:20:27 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Alberta's Child; Absolutely Nobama
These Mexican immigrants are hardly the “worst of the worst,” from my perspective. As one Freeper astutely admitted recently, “I’ve never seen a Mexican panhandler here in the U.S.”

How stupid can you possibly be?

Tens of millions of illegals routinely break our laws and rules, costing the U.S. hundreds of billions in handouts, prizes, incentives, like welfare, free healthy care, jamming our school, education, driving down wages, choking off our hospitals, social services

WTF is wrong with you?

128 posted on 08/20/2012 10:51:31 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2; Absolutely Nobama
I'll be the first to admit that my perspective is based on my own region of the country (and I did say: "from my perspective" in my post), but from everything I've seen it ain't Mexican immigrants who "routinely break our laws and rules, costing the U.S. hundreds of billions in handouts, prizes, incentives, like welfare, free healthy care, jamming our schools, education, etc." American citizens turned entire cities of this country to crap this way for years before we even recognized illegal immigration as a problem.

And the irony is that only way an illegal immigrant from Mexico can possibly "drive down wages" is by getting out of bed and going to work every day. There are families of Americans who haven't done that in several generations.

From my perspective, the biggest problem with many of the tens of millions of illegal aliens who come here from Mexico is that we can't send 2-3 useless, expensive Americans back the other way as part of a trade.

129 posted on 08/21/2012 2:55:14 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child; Absolutely Nobama
These Mexican immigrants are hardly the “worst of the worst,” from my perspective. As one Freeper astutely admitted recently, “I’ve never seen a Mexican panhandler here in the U.S.”

How stupid can you possibly be?

Tens of millions of illegals routinely break our laws and rules, costing the U.S. hundreds of billions in handouts, prizes, incentives, like welfare, free healthy care, jamming our school, education, driving down wages, choking off our hospitals, social services

WTF is wrong with you?

From my perspective, the biggest problem with illegal aliens who come here from Mexico is that we can't send 2-3 useless, expensive Americans back the other way as part of a trade.

I love exposing people like you suggesting millions of these illegal welfare blood suckers are not choking off America at every level.

Even in red states like Texas, they are eating our system alive.

Based on your own comments, you're a traitor and liar spewing absolute bull sh*t.

70% of Texas’ illegal immigrant families receive welfare

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/04/study-70-of-texas-illegal-immigrant-families-receive-welfare/

130 posted on 08/21/2012 8:29:15 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Alberta's Child
And the irony is that only way an illegal immigrant from Mexico can possibly "drive down wages" is by getting out of bed and going to work every day.

Man, you really hate America.

I'd like to stand ya up to a group of former construction workers and see ya tell them how lazy they are.

See ya tell that to the hundreds of thousands of Americans who once had good paying jobs with benefits in all aspects of the construction industry. Where the greedy assh*les running those industries discovered about 30 years ago they could get wealthy fast paying illegals half the GD wages.

Same in the service industries, restaurant, hotel, manufacturing, distribution centers/warehousing etc.

You're an American hating, illegal alien supporting, lying traitor.

131 posted on 08/21/2012 8:50:11 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

“70% of Texas’ illegal immigrant families receive welfare”

And, let’s not forget, a lot of that money goes back to Mexico.


132 posted on 08/21/2012 7:20:15 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Between government at all levels, and millions of illegals, the American people are being robbed, beaten and economically gang raped on a daily basis.

Looking at the numbers to support these two groups, we’re doomed. No joke.


133 posted on 08/21/2012 8:12:36 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Hence the parallels to SA that I wrote. Their illegal alien problem is one of the big reasons their country is headed to complete and utter collapse.

Our illegal alien problem will doom us, too. Sooner rather than later.


134 posted on 08/21/2012 8:49:34 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: freedumb2003
What does the end of the USA look like? It looks like this: ... "not with a bang, but a whimper."
135 posted on 08/22/2012 2:52:55 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties, we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: ArmyTeach
The Stand by Steven King
136 posted on 08/22/2012 3:00:11 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties, we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
My father witnessing 0bama’s daily intolerable stunts led to his failing health.

I'm 46 so maybe that could be par for the course but ever since the Bamster got in, I've been seeing a lot more grey hairs on my head and beard (when I don't shave).
137 posted on 09/10/2012 2:37:21 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Government theft of a country, away from it’s people. And a black man is being used to commandeer it because no one has the guts to challenge him.

I have to be blunt, I can't express it any other way. Race is a factor in both the 2008 and 2012 election since the left and Obama & Co himself/themselves play The Race Card as a defense to every tactic we use with The Blame George W. Bush Card as a close second.

In many ways, Obama is stereotypical of the ways Blacks have been seen for years. Obama basically shucks and jives his way to fool the stupid rubes that will vote for him with the skill of an expert wheeler/dealer from the southside of Chicago. When the money runs out after a night of pure debauchery and/or things get tough, out comes The Race Card and he'll cry like the manboy he really is. He is doing the dirtywork of the KKK and Stormfront all by himself in making sure an image like this. This might hurt the Black politicians on our side as well, I sure hope not. I would have been honored to see the first Black President with the likes of an Alan Keyes, Walter Williams, Alan West, Herman Cain, etc.

All I know is that we have to challenge him and ignore the The Race Card and so on, no matter what happens. We have to save this country. I'd vote for anyone but Obama. Maybe we might not get all we want with Romney but at least we stand to get most of that we want and need. If I had to vote against Obama, I'd vote for Allen West, George Wallace or even a one-eyed, one legged duck.
138 posted on 09/10/2012 3:29:39 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: Absolutely Nobama
It’s funny. Obama’s election was supposed to end racial tension in the US, but it has instead Balkanized us in ways that the Neo-Nazis and Black Separatists could never have accomplished in a 1000 years.

It's like a former boss of mine said, "Obama has set back race relations back to 1970 if not further back."
139 posted on 09/10/2012 3:31:42 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: CyberAnt

My mother is 74 and when she met with her classmates from the high school class of 1956 last year, many of those are Tea-Party members. At least we have these people actively working since many of us have to hold down jobs, although I’m between jobs now.


140 posted on 09/10/2012 3:45:01 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: Road Glide
For those reading this who laugh at the notion of an American breakup, think back to 1980. If someone had suggested then that within a dozen years, the mighty Soviet Union would exist no more, how would you have regarded such a statement?

I know. When I was junior in high school in 1983, just after KAL-007 was shot down, we were discussing the Soviet Union in American Cultures (aka "Social Studies") We all figured the USSR would break up or radically change itself "by the time we were old men/women." I figured around 2020 or 2030 at the least barring atomic war or anything else. Well, it seems it came a generation early. I remember the 1991 coup, I was up listening to Radio Moscow on shortwave, the coup planners issued a statement, then played some music and then Radio Moscow went dark.

Digressing, for craps and giggles, I asked, "what if in the future, the US became the USSR and the USSR became the US?" I then adding, "what of WE ever became the Evil Empire," sort of like Pogo Possum saying, "I've seen the enemy and he is us." This was pretty heavy discussion for 1983. Well, although Russia isn't perfectly free, it is much freer than at any point in history and in some ways, freer than us right now but as we all know, we are headed towards the USSR and even past it.

As a child, I was taught the Pledge of Allegiance with the line, “one nation, indivisible”. That may have been true in the 1950’s, but it’s no longer the case, not at all. Look at the “division” that exists between “the reds” and “the blues” today. And the gaps are deepening into chasms. The country is literally splitting apart into two opposing camps, even if the borders for now remain intact.

Sad, but true. Although we have various factions on both sides, like the social conservatives and the more libertarian "South Park Republicans" for example on our side, where the left have their own factions too but in a war, this ideological cold war, the two basic sides are there. What is troubling is I ran into lefties that would be willing to pull a trigger on any of us, that is, if they can figure out which end the bullet comes out of along with finding the trigger. In sort, the other side is scum to each other. We need to either separate peacefully somehow or we will just have to rumble. I will fight to protect my family, friends, country and so on.

What was the remark that Ben Franklin made to the woman who, during the Constitutional Convention, inquired as to what form of government they had worked out for the new nation?
“A republic, if you can keep it”, I believe he said.


Ah, the old question she asked about the sun motif on the back of George Washington's chair at the Contitutional Convention. "Is it a rising or a setting sun," and then Ben Franklin gave his answer. All I can say is the future looks murky and if it ever came down to it, I keep thinking of the old song from "The Doors" where they sing, "When the music's over, turn out the lights."
141 posted on 09/10/2012 4:05:24 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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