Posted on 08/15/2012 5:55:42 PM PDT by Kartographer
1. It’s just like camping.
2. You can buy enough food and supplies for forever.
3. Your neighbors will gather around and help each other.
4. If I buy enough gadgets (mini washing machine, generator, solar tracker) I’ll be OK
5. I can get to my survival location when TSHTF.
6. I can convince my “significant other” that this is the right move.
7. I don’t need to prepare a place. I’ll just grab my Bug-Out-Bag and find a cave somewhere.
8. My kids will be bored.
>> “The third type that I warn about are those who wish to bring God’s Armageddon into the discussion as if they know that it will be God’s will should some catastrophe befall us. They claim this despite the fact that the history of man is full of direr times which were caused by nature or man himself. History has shown us all too well that men do not need God to help them muck things up to a point were their fellows cry out for God to end it all and relieve them of their misery.” <<
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You need to get into some intense Bible study!
You are deeply wrong on every point.
When people “muck things up,” it’s because they waited too long to turn to the boss. He remains in solid control of everything.
With bbq, the secret is in the sauce.
Our grocery is having a sale this week (not exactly, but priced at what they were two years ago) on those Bumble Bee little meat and cracker packets. While not budget friendly, I bought out the shelves because I know we'll eat them if there isn't a shtf and they're more friendly looking than a can of spam since my family aren't on board. I dropped off several at the grandparents with a song and dance about them needing a grab and go bag in case there's a wildfire. Sigh, it still went over their heads even with them complaining just the day before that we're in a high fire risk area with one way out. I've tried and tried but it's like talking to a wall with them and they grew up during the Depression. At home, I have to hide the GOOD bag so it won't be eaten. If the family ever needs it and I'm not there to get it, they'll be up the creek.
They waited to long. You proved me right with your own words/ They not God, but they.
Do you think the Jews in the cattle cars on their way to Dachau didn’t pray that God would end their suffering? Do you think it was God’s hand on the gas valve? Maybe you think I am wrong on every count because you unconsciously place yourself in the group I am writing about?
It’s no ‘load,’ it’s the most effective treatment available under any condition. Going to a hospital insures that your ‘condition’ will become permanent, and a true cash cow for the Med Mafia.
Capsaicin not only relieves heart attack and stroke, but it cures the conditions that caused them if you use it regularly in your diet.
try not taking my comments out of context. But I'll answer anyway Dunno about you, but I keep all of my vehicles 3/4 to full at all times - especially in times of rising gas prices, and if i can drive to resupply, then I can also get gas there, and if not I'm not going to go just driving around.
Study your Bible and get the answer from the original anser man.
So help better not be more than say 300 miles?
I did and I found:
A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it. NIV Proverbs 22:3
In the house of the wise are stores of choice food and oil, but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20
But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever. 1 Timothy 5:8
"The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind." -- H L Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy ...
And with this I bid you good night.
I’m in agreement with you. I think most people rule out the EMP by nucs or extreme solar flares as being too far fetched. EMP is one of the only things that will send our civilization back 200 years in an instant. If people read “One Second After” I think they would understand better the suddenness of the change in an instant. Besides, the same scenario is applicable for a catastrophic financial collapse, a modern all-out no-holds barred world war, or catastrophic environmental disaster.
I’ve talked to hundreds of preppers over the last two years and many people who like me try and provide guidance to those who prep or starting to and the one comment I hear the most is that they have a ‘feeling’. These people are from all social, education and financial backgrounds. They say that there are demonstrable statistic that show that the number of people missing airline flights that end up crashing is higher than the average number of people that miss flights. I know myself there have been times when I have putted around doing this and that in the morning, which is unusual for me only to leave and find that a big wreck has taken place along my route to work. I say listen to that little voice in the back of you head, because there’s a good chance it knows what its’ talking about.
Something wicked this way comes, are you ready?
For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:
http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf
NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!
For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.
As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”
Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3
Lastly this for the doubters and the scoffers.
“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.
Underestimation can be fatal.”
whatever. Do you actually have a point you’re trying to make?
Me? No you are one with all the answers I was asking a fair question.
Another interesting book is “The Great Influenza” about the spanish flu. Warning - the first ~ 75 pages are a boring medical history of the US. After that, it is a gripping read. The fun/scary part is to extrapolate the effects caused by a 30% morbidity / 2% mortality sickness on an agrarian, self reliant society to our modern, inter dependent one. How often do grocery stores or gas stations need re-supply and how many ventilators and trained personnel does the local hospital have are questions without fun answers...
SSKI is an old world medicine. Long forgotten by many. I’ve used it on everything from horses to chickens, hulking cowboys and anxious children. Iodine, Isopropyl, and H202 will cure a lot of problems for pennies.
Just getting around to reading this. I spent the day on the web looking for a women’s tactical vest - finally found one that is just right for my purpose. Right now, my gun is in one place, the speed loaders are in another place, and the bullets are in another place. It will be altogether in that vest and that’s a good thing.
Unfortunately, I think that list is very much what people think. However, my sister-in-law and her husband are worse than that. They think things are fine now but there will be trouble later due to global warming and then they will go to California where crops will grow better (they don’t grow anything now). So, they are worse than the people who believe what’s on that list. If TSHTF, I will take care of those two crazy people because they have been a great help to me.
“9. You and your wife will be able to hold off a dozen or so angry, armed, and very hungry neighbors.”
They won’t know I have anything.
Maybe later, but not at first.
Some people who can’t get dates estimate various populations of wild animals over history, and the number of wild deer in the US hit an all-time low during the depression.
Since this is a "Deadly Myth" list, that's my point.
They won't last long at all. If things get to that point of deperation, anything wild and moving will be targetted as dinner, get cleaned out in neighborhoods like mine, and then will be hunted further out. I could fill my small freezer now with all the squirrel and rabbit meat running around out there now, and yet not naive' enough to think when others are starving, the squirrels and rabbits will still be out there for me and my family. And all those happy deer people pour corn into their yards for so the kiddies can see Bambi? Sayonara.
Oh. OK. Gotcha.
Another myth is the whole “well, I got some seeds, I’ll start a garden...”
Seriously, folks, unless you have farmed before, you’re pipe dreaming! People have no idea exactly HOW MUCH physical labor it takes to farm, and that’s with modern equipment and fuel.
Early this spring I turned over a large part of my back yard BY HAND and it took me days - almost a week.
Some seeds were planted, some starter plants were planted, and even now, at what is normally the peak of harvest, I have alot of squash and beans, but no wheres near enough to live on.
And even assuming you could get enough plants to make a vegan diet, alot of people who’ve lived vegan will tell you they couldn’t do it - they couldn’t get the calories and proteins.
And that doesn’t cover the fact that when you do heavy physical exercise, it’s easy for your appetite to DOUBLE from normal levels.
You aren’t kidding. Where my sister rents, the owner decided not to garden in the plot behind the house. She asked and we started a garden there this year. She’s had a bit of experience with exs’ who knew what they were doing and I’m a rookie at it. We’re having some success, so flops, fighting the fight with rabbits (I really should be learning how to make a snare) but not nearly the amount of produce we were hoping for, even as rookies.
But I’ll tell you what - we learned a LOT this year from our attempt.
BTW, another FReeper posted this last week. I’m so fascinated with this I bought a copy and want to give this a try. Planning on taking a small chunk of the backyard to start one and see how it goes. http://vimeo.com/28055108
I would much recommend trying to find a book about what wild plants are edible FOR YOUR LOCAL AREA.
There are about four “weeds” that grow in my lawn that are edible. But there are also two or three that if you took one bite, it would be your last!
Bump for later...
not according to them
not at all
I asked those questions
not on passed their muster
they suggested to be 500 feet underground to avoid the emp
You have a survival stash? You didn’t earn that........
You have a survival stash? You didn’t earn that........
“Little lobsters.”
Heh. Yeah, but you have to use a magnifying glass. It takes quite a few crawdads to substitute for a lobster.:o)
If their names end in Donner it’s what’s for dinner...
You’re kewel!
I would luv to do what you did.
In a few years I am going to walk the Amazon as far as I can.
I read a story about two friends who wanted to walk the Amazon from one to the other. One fellow dropped off very quickly while the other spent the next two years before finally making it to the end.
What a frickin experience and I’d like to only do about a month of it solo.
Whut’s SSKI?
I like that.
If we have to resort to cannibalism .. . will vegans taste better?
I understand that homosexuals taste kind of queer
Not to belabor the point, but I would stay away from the zombies until they are eaten by the hogs. There will be a lot of zombies running around. (ala Obama voters and libtards)but they will be initially inedible. They will probably eat out of dumpsters, have infectious diseases and generally be a health risk. After the wild hogs eat them and use their enzymes to get rid of the toxic elements, they should be alright. Yes, the wild game like deer, rabbits stray dogs, cats, opossums, etc. will be gone in the 1st few weeks. But a prime Occupy-type vegan should be the escargo of the apocalypse. Now I do not justify cannibalism, but in the cases of extreme emergency (ala Survive, Leningrad, Mountain Phil, Donner Pass, etc.)the Church will consecrate the food items to preserve life.
Didn’t notice the “From the comments” line did you.
That was someone else who lived that life in the Amazon.
I have no argument with those verses, but they’re off the point a bit.
The major events that befall all of us are necessary elements of his greater plan. The personal crises that we encounter are simply the consequences of our own actions or inactions. The gathering unto destruction at Meggido is justice on a colossal scale.
That's the scary part. It's not hard to shoot a zombie. It's not hard to call the police in case the powers that be have time to respond to a trespasser who is not an immediate danger in a civilized society. The trick is when the powers that be exist, outgun us, and may or may not intervene either on our side or on the zombie side. That requires careful thought, since SHTF is not likely to be the same as throwing an on-off switch for civilization.
Isopropyl alcohol accelerates the growth of minute metastasises. This was discovered in Germany about 20 years ago.
It also settles nausea in 10 seconds. Maintain a high pH and most ailments will pass you by.
I don't quite agree on EMP setting us back 200 years. First, the knowledge exists on paper and in our heads (not just electronic), and we could rebuild after an EMP (assuming the pulses were not a monthly occurrence, and even then we could protect against them). Second, an EMP over the United States might set us back quite a bit and kill tens of millions due to disruptions, but are you imagining pulses over every other continent too? I'm certain that Europe would be here to help us rebuild at a profit to them, or Australia, or North Korea. We might no longer be a recognizable United States, but we would rejoin the mid-20th century with surprising rapidity.
Half a dozen large crawdads are probably enough to meet your protein requirement for a day. A dozen or so medium sized.
If you are a kid (like I was once) who lives where these things are common, we’re talking about 10, 15 minutes max to catch them.
Yeah, you’ll still feel hungry. And yeah, you’ll get damn tired of the taste of crawdads after a week or so!
But you won’t starve!
One does not ‘avoid’ EMP, or any other EMF, one deflects them through proven physical phenomina.
Your friends have bought into deliberate fear propagation. Faraday cages have been tested, and proven effective by the US Navy during atomic testing in the Pacific.
>> “ And yeah, you’ll get damn tired of the taste of crawdads after a week or so!” <<
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I won’t, as long as the salt, garlic, and bacon fat hold out! (coconut oil works too)
>> “the Church will consecrate the food items to preserve life.” <<
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The “church” can consecrate nothing.
What God has condemned will visit condemnation unto you.
Mat 16:25
“For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.”
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Lol!
I have a bunch of catsup in my supplies AND I GROW HORSERADISH!!!
Also, I have a bunch of 1/4 inch hardware cloth around I’ve used for various projects, so cutting it and making basically what amounts to a mini-lobster or mini crab trap would take no time at all!
And I know of a few places where there are huge amounts of crawdads around me.
Your post-apocalypse DJF Mini-Crawdad Trap (TM) can keep you alive and can be had TODAY for the measly price of ten gallons unleaded!
>>> “I spent the day on the web looking for a women’s tactical vest - finally found one that is just right for my purpose.”
I’m always interested in women-specific gear. Would you mind sharing that link?
If I could sew & had a machine for heavy fabrics, I’d rent a stall at the local gun shows. I suspect there’s a fortune to be made in custom shooting supplies, especially in a market whose largest growth demographic is women.
SSKI: Super Saturated Potassium Iodide.
The most effective sanitation available on Planet Earth.
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