Skip to comments."Magic Mike" and "50 Shades of Perversion": Is this "Entertainment" appropriate for Christians?
Posted on 07/26/2012 8:09:38 PM PDT by InHisService
Too many of us so called Christians today buy into the perversion that is prevalent in entertainment, simply because its there, its being promoted and we read or hear good reviews. The popularity of such genre does not make it acceptable for us, as Christians, to take part in it. If anything, we should be speaking out against it.
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I was 50 when I bought horses. In my 20s, I sometimes lived in a 200 sq ft basement apartment with another guy. I was 28 when I married because I was lucky enough to wait for a good one. I first bought a house at 38, and ended up losing money when I sold it. I was gone 5-6 months each year during most of my time in the military, so my wife stayed home. Later, she shed a ton of tears while putting in 20 hr days Mon-Fri in nursing school. From about year 10 to 25 of my military career, my main reason for staying in was the retirement. However, by staying in as long as I did, I damaged my chances to work afterward. Not a lot of people who want to hire a 54 year old newbie in this economy.
However, we also have been conservative in our spending. Vacations have bordered on unknown for us. We’ve always preferred to keep an old car over borrowing to buy another.
This sounds familiar:
“My wife and I downscaled - she stays home with our five children and we don’t have boats, snowmobiles, personal watercraft, designer automobiles, timeshares in Aruba and the like. Our Windstar is 1998 and our PT Cruiser is 2002.”
For the last few months, we’ve used outdoor rattan in our living room after giving much of our living room furniture to our son. Looking at my living room, every piece of furniture in it was bought used.
I consider myself lucky, but I wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth. My sister beat me by one year in being the first member of our extended family on both sides to graduate college. My wife was so poor growing up in the Philippines that at 5 she was hired out to a wealthy couple. She built fires and cleaned floors with a coconut husk in exchange for food & clothing and permission to go to school.
Yes, at 50 my wife & I bought a couple of horses. Our third was given to us for free by someone that just didn’t want to own him. Turns out the little guy is a very good trail pony - all 13 hands of him.
I’m lucky, but like a lot of lucky people, it wasn’t all luck. What my wife and I have, we have after 25+ years together, and both of us started saving well before we married.
“I am active in the local Knights of Columbus and lector and play organ at our church. There is no way I’d go back to an urban hell hole. We breathe clean air, and the sounds at night tend towards crickets, owls, and the occasional coyote. It’s all choices, dude.”
Well, I don’t even know what the Knights of Columbus are & I couldn’t play a piano or organ to save my soul. Luckily, God doesn’t require that, altho I’m sure he honors it when used for Him. But I sure understand the rest. Living in the desert, my wife & I spend a fair number of evenings watering the trees we’ve planted, watching sunsets, cleaning up the corrals & talking. Having no TV frees up time for talking, and watching sunsets.
I know people who love cities. I hate them. I prefer the crickets, horses and coyotes - we have a lot of coyotes. I also received 50 railroad ties a few days ago, and distributed 25 to where I plan to dig trenches and plant them for erosion control. Another 25 are waiting...I need to do the same to them, but want to get the first load in the ground first. My team for doing that consists of me, Mr Pick & Mr Shovel. Who needs a gym when you have Mr Pick and Mr Shovel and a LOT of digging in hard soil to do?
Choices. Choices and TIME. When Obama tells me I need to “give back”, I want to tell him, “What have YOU given ME?” It is the values you hold, the choices you make, and yes, SOME luck that helps one get ahead. The studies I’ve seen say that if you take a bit of time, marry well, don’t divorce and get as much education and training as you can get, you won’t be poor. Not for long. But yes, life may suck pretty bad for a few years along the way.
I wouldn’t think of denying that luck plays a role. But over time - over 10, 20 or 30+ years - luck tends to even out. What remains are the choices one makes over time. When you & your wife are having a hard time together - and most do have those patches - do you tough it out and learn to love each other more, or quit and get a divorce? When your job really sucks, do you take night classes and prepare for something else, or complain until you are fired? Do you borrow money and play now, or save and hope you live long enough to get some enjoyment out of it?
Some are called to something else. Most of the Apostles died in pain and poor. And I’m not ‘wealthy’. Frankly, lots of folks could point to my 9 year old car and my $3 T-shirts and my $15.88 jeans and call me...well, not wealthy. They’d look at the $25 chairs my wife bought a few years ago off of Craigslist and our rattan love seat and our garage sale dining room table & chairs and call us...well, not wealthy. My horses live in our back yard and we spend about $300/month on hay...not exactly rich folks living.
But we’re happy. We’re together. Our TV is only connected to a DVD player, and we’re living pretty good. And when the rain stops, I’ve got some railroad ties to go set in the ground.
Yeah, I’m a lucky man I guess...
My father's Alzheimer wasn't my choice, my house losing all value wasn't my choice, losing a baby wasn't my choice., Life happens despite our best laid out plans. There's nothing wrong with being lucky. If you've got it, be proud of it.
My Mom had Alzheimers. My Dad died in Vietnam. Those aren’t choices, but our responses are.
House losing value? Frankly, that IS ‘our’ fault. The first house I bought lost value when the nearby military base cuts jobs. That wasn’t my fault. My current house value is less than I paid for it, but not by much. We almost didn’t buy it because we THOUGHT the housing costs were getting out of line with local wages. After we bought it, it nearly doubled in price, and then it dropped to about 10% less than we paid. We misjudged the long term value of the house by 10% - housing values ultimately are tied to wages. That is why we often rented in our lives.
I haven’t lost a baby. That would be tough. But what I wrote is true - over 10, 20 or 30 years, ‘luck’ tends to even out.
I’ll hazard another guess...one that will go over like a turd in a punch bowl: People who think in terms of “luck” won’t be successful. They will be waiting for their luck to change instead of building for a lucky future.
it sounds like you believe that being entertained by moving shapes in some form of a rectangle is important. it is far from important. discernment is learned in many areas of life. Watching television and film is ephemera.
Relaxation is important for the human psyche, if we don’t give the brain a chance to unwind it snaps. And entertainment often inspires. Many people working in the technology industry today, providing you with things like the computer you’re reading this from, became interested in their field because of TV shows and movies. In fact many of the devices of our life were thought up for entertainment first. If you have a tablet computer thank Star Trek, it was there first. Cellphone? Thank Star Trek again. We’re on a Batman thread, do you know why cops have so much equipment on their belt? Yeah the Batman utility belt inspired people to try something, something which eventually contributed heavily to the combat webbing our soldiers use. Ephemera tends not to be as ephemera as people like to think.
Relaxation is important for the human psyche, if we dont give the brain a chance to unwind it snaps. And entertainment often inspires. Many people working in the technology industry today, providing you with things like the computer youre reading this from, became interested in their field because of TV shows and movies. In fact many of the devices of our life were thought up for entertainment first. If you have a tablet computer thank Star Trek, it was there first. Cellphone? Thank Star Trek again. Were on a Batman thread, do you know why cops have so much equipment on their belt? Yeah the Batman utility belt inspired people to try something, something which eventually contributed heavily to the combat webbing our soldiers use. Ephemera tends not to be as ephemera as people like to think.
Humans have been relaxing as long as there have been humans. And humans have been playful and inventive for millenia. The screen has been around for about 100 years, but humans have been inventing and playing far longer.
I do not thank batman or star trak for my cell phone, I thank the inventors. Not the scifi.
Regarding books, we have no lack. In fact, I have a library of well over 3,000 titles that are housed in every room in the house. Novels, classics, texts and technical. Absolutely no need to languish in literary obscurity when the best work of several millennia are a few steps away.
Music? Again, we have more than our share of CD’s, 33’s, 45’s and several hundred 78’s with a Victrola to play them as they were meant to be played. Classic to funk, but absolutely no junk.
So, I guess you could say that we have elevated “discernment” to a level much higher than that of most TV consumers given what I have seen around me for nearly 60 years. The notion that we are hiding, or, as you said, sticking our fingers in our ears is way beyond simply errant; ignorant is a better word. What we have done is disconnected from the cultural tit and taken control of our lives and we live much fuller, rewarding lives for it.
You have learned much in the Arizona wilderness...
You started off right, then you got it wrong. Story telling is an integral part of the human experience, every culture has a form. The screen is just story telling, the big difference is it can tell more stories to more people at the same time than any other.
The inventor of the cellphone has repeatedly said he got the idea from watching Star Trek. HE thanks Star Trek.
Oh so it turns out you didn’t kill your TV, you’re just making crap up. Cool, now we know not to listen to you.
I’d think the author, being a Christian, wouldn’t be involved in “Hollywood gossip” but maybe she feels compelled to watch out for us.
I have seen things on ABC family that are practically soft core porn.It's about to get worse.
“Oh so it turns out you didnt kill your TV, youre just making crap up.”
If you don’t know the difference between a TV hooked up to the incoming sewer and one that has been disconnected, I suggest you try it. There is a world of difference - maybe literally - between the two. It is the never-ending flow of filth and bad values flowing in free of charge that makes TV a dominant force for evil culture and wasted time.
If you pay $25-40 for a season of a show, you don’t plop your butt down and watch the TV for 4-5 hours/night, every night. You also find yourself asking if THIS show is one you want in your home. The long periods of silence in your house will get you thinking about talking to someone - maybe even your spouse!
We’re not Luddites. We don’t go around smashing evil machines. But TV is a driving force in accepting values such as homosexuality, dependence on government, jealousy of the rich and a passive approach to life.
On the Internet, at least, you can talk back. With TV, you just open your mind and absorb.
Just IMHO. You can of course do whatever you wish. But as someone who has tried both, I’d recommend trying a few months with no cable TV. It might change your life.
No, you’re assuming and wrong again. You couldn’t receive a signal on my CRT if you tried. No reception - dead. My last set was a B/W lab monitor. The new color job does, however, have the ability to take a patch cord from a VHS/DVD. Last night I watched a classic: ‘The Third Man’ with Joseph Cotton and Orson Wells. Landmark film for many reasons, all of which would probably be lost on the usual TV watcher. Face it, relaxation is a personal thing. You enjoy whatever and I have found your fare, for the most part, insipid, insulting and dull. Hey, if you like watching ‘Gilligan’s Island’ or the modern equivalent, enjoy!
I didn’t assume anything. You started on this thread saying people should kill their TVs and now you’re watching TV. That means your TV ain’t dead, that means you are a BSer. Those are the simple facts, you like to toot your own horn and you like to insult others and you don’t even do what you advice others to do. Thus making you 100% full of crap. Bye now, life’s too short to deal with crap artists, they interfere with watching top shelf TV. We’re in the golden age of TV drama right now. Of course you probably know that since your TV isn’t dead.
You’re sharp. Oh, yes indeedy you are. You’ve seen right through me like a bolt of lightning. I stand in awe of your insight and grasp of fact. Truly, you are beyond razor sharp. It must be the TV watching that hones your keen mind.
A TV that shows stuff is a TV that shows stuff. Especially in this modern world. Heck you can watch almost all the TV shows ever made without even having a TV now, we know he’s on the internet so he can get to the stream. Right now what I’m watching on TV is from the stream. If the thunder storms had hit harder I’d be watching DVDs but the internet connection stayed up.
You know you can have conversations AND watch TV. It’s not an either or world. It funny how the folks that feel the need to come on TV threads to stroke their own ego just can’t seem to manage simple concepts like keeping the TV at a volume it can be talked over. I talk the spouse with the TV on, I read with the TV on, I FReep with the TV. And I do all that stuff without it on too, because life is about options.
He’s the one that said to “kill your TV”, that IS smashing the evil machines. Had he said “watch less TV” or “be more selective in TV” that would be different. but he said to kill it. Not my fault he didn’t mean what he said.
Actually with the modern age of TV dramas you analyze, then often you hit the internet and discuss, sometimes you even get to discuss with the makers of the show.
I’ve gone years without cable, see that’s the problem with coming onto threads just to stroke your ego, you tend to make assumption, and we all know about ass-u-me now don’t we. Currently I keep the cable, it’s convenient for much of what I want from my TV. I could setup a media center PC and do things a bit of a harder not always as legal way, but I’m willing to pay for convenience, I make enough. My life is groovy as is, awesome wife of 20 years, comfy home, solid health, many many entertainment options, and the job’s not to terribly time consuming so I get lots of time for that entertainment. Because you see I understand how to use TV, it’s not too tough if you’re willing to understand that it’s part of the options of life. Maybe if you spent more time watching TV you wouldn’t come onto threads to stroke your ego, stroking in public is kind of gross.
“Maybe if you spent more time watching TV you wouldnt come onto threads to stroke your ego, stroking in public is kind of gross.”
I’m not surprised you consider modern TV to be at its zenith. You have a mind to match it.
“Maybe if you spent more time watching TV you wouldnt come onto threads to stroke your ego, stroking in public is kind of gross.”
I’m not surprised you consider modern TV to be at its zenith. You have a mind to match it.
I guess I’m feeling down because I don’t see much of a future for my family with the way this country is going . I worry about them all the time. I’ve never seen things go so bad so fast in this country and I’ve got nothing to protect them with. If Obama gets re elected, I don’t know what I’m going to do or where to go......
Yup, I have a mind that can grasp complex layered plots and the death of the rule of 3. I know you wanted that to be an insult, but the fact is the modern age of database narrative drama requires much more intellectualization by the audience. You’re no longer spoon fed the plot, you’re expected to remember that sentence uttered once 2 seasons ago from which tonight’s episode spawns. It’s a wonderful world of story telling that trusts the audience to keep up with complex tales. It’s telling that one of the most popular shows on TV right now, Game of Thrones, started as a novel George R R Martin wrote specifically to be impossible to put on TV, he was kind of burned out from working on TV and the first book was an act of rebellion, complex interwoven fire and forget story telling completely the opposite of everything TV was built on... until the golden age.
Read up, do some learning, it’s good for you:
Ever watch the rebooted ‘Doctor Who’? Steven Moffatt has been some terrific multi-year storytelling just like that.
I’ve never liked Dr Who, but my friends that do have been quite impressed with how it’s gone since the reboot. The kind of story telling that’s on TV now is amazing, made most amazing by the fact that the root of it is assuming the audience can keep up. Very different from how things used to be.
“I guess Im feeling down because I dont see much of a future for my family with the way this country is going .”
I can certainly understand that. I have no use for Romney, but I cannot imagine life in the USA in 2016 after 8 years of Obama. I also find the trends terrifying. With the exception of gun laws, almost every social issue I can think of is being lost. A culture of dependency, of entitlement, of spend now, of homosexual rights, transgender rights, soon to be pedophile rights, half the people in the country expecting the other half to pay their bills - it is scary. At 54, I may be old enough to die before the full bill comes due.
As individuals, all we can do is live our lives conservatively & follow the principles that have proven themselves over time. That gives us the best odds over the long run.
I’d love to go back to work, but the jobs I could find wouldn’t pay for my additional taxes and gas costs. And if I go back for another degree (a BS in Biology from 1979 isn’t going to get me anywhere), then I’ll be pushing 60...would anyone hire me?
A Romney victory won’t even gain me much on most issues I care about. He’s marginal on fiscal matters and worthless as teats on a boar hog on social issues. But he won’t push us into hell quite as fast as Obama will, and he might actually care about America...but what a miserable choice!
Are you judging by the old one or the new one? The amount of variety involved with DW precludes any one style or subject matter. It became a very different show every few years and still does..
It’s something in the core concept. I got annoyed with DW back in the old days, tried a couple of the new episodes just don’t like them. Even watched Torchwood before finding out it was a spinoff, sat there thinking “some of it’s good but it has the stench of the doctor”, then I looked it up on wiki and sure enough.
The new show has a couple of dud episodes every year. Which did you see? Others like Blink and Gridlock are some of the best pieces of episodic TV ever made.
I don’t know which ones I saw. They were still DW. Can’t like everything, there’s always going to be something you don’t connect with. Kind of like Smallville, I’ve heard about what they’ve done with that and it certainly sounds like some excellent story telling, but in the end it’s still Superman and I don’t like Superman so I’ve never bothered.
The worst of the DW episodes are truly terrible though. The disparity between the best and the worst is wider in DW than it is in just about any TV show I can think of. It’s interesting how DW has achieved such massive popularity in the U.S. now after being a total cult here for so long.
That cult thing built it to massive popularity, it’s just that you couldn’t see it until there was new stuff to watch. I’m really the odd man out in the world of SF fandom deep enough into it to regular attend conventions (and even work on one) that doesn’t like DW. And that was the situation in the early 90s before any word of a rebirth was on the wind. I’d say probably 90% of fen like DW enough to occasionally watch, probably a third are (and were in the early 90s) deep enough into it to watch regularly and have some widgets, and therefore to await each new one with excitement. It’s really the third major leg fen stand on, right there with Trek and Star Wars. They were just hidden when it was all about the reruns.
I’m odd in that I’ve always loved DW but if ST and SW were to drop off the face of the Earth I wouldn’t be bothered all that much. I suppose ST had its moments.
the public has voted with their dollars.
how many liberal agenda movies die before they even start. Even those who still go to movies, the trailers will kill off a movie.
(ie notice how ann hathaway never appears in the batman commercials before the opening date?)
Movies die fast in the era of social media. http://Themoviespoiler.com
and alternative sources.
young kids know how to see movies for free without needing to wait for dvd/blueray/box sets. Older people know to just wait two weeks and the dvd is out and three weeks for cable/sat release.
Jennifer Lopez is a homosexual?
I’m actually on a quest right now to watch all the Trek. I’ve always had a love hate relationship with it. Grew up loving the original series (TOS), watched the first couple of season of TNG largely because I was still living at home and my mom is hardcore, but once I moved out of the house the lack of quality in TNG (let’s face it that show didn’t really find its legs until season 5) caused me to be sporadic and I stayed that way through it all (again quality issues, DS9 wasn’t really solid until season 4, VGR stank all the way through, ENT is the only spinoff to start well then got weak). But once it hit the Netflix stream I decided there was a gap in my geek cred and decided to try to watch it all. I’m into season 7 of TNG now, then it’ll be onto DS9. I might abandon the quest when it’s time to hit Voyager.
Star Wars amazes me because I know most of it sucks. When push comes to shove only Empire is actually a GOOD movie, New Hope is fun but has a lot of issues, the rest basically suck. And yet when I see The Crawl, even if it’s a spoof Crawl or shows up in a documentary that’s discussing SW, a shot runs up my spine. SW excites the hell out of me. In much the same way I hate DW on a genetic level I love SW.
the troubling part of the dOctor who is the fact the writers slip in left wing agenda stuff that does not belong in what is supposed to be a children/family friendly show. (homo based marriage etc.)
Torchwood died fast when they made it the “gay” bbc show.
For some reason, the last couple of weeks I’ve gotten on a kick of visiting various “blind gossip” entertainment sites. If half the stuff they put out are true, nearly all actors that work in The Biz at the very least play for both teams.
No wonder Hollywood is so invested in gay rights.
The Homosexual agenda is pretty much gone from DW now that original show-runner Russell T. Davis is no longer in charge.
Hope you give some of the better of the DW stories another shot one of these days. Do you also dislike ‘Blake’s 7’ and other British SF stuff the same way? Anyway I sort of like the ST episode that Harlan Ellison wrote. I went on a big HE kick years ago and watched that along with reading much other stuff. I’ve met him and he’s a fun guy provided you don’t piss him off. He hates ST and SW and loves DW. :)
Flip side: you won't have any free time, and will wonder how you got anything done whilst blowing X hours a day staring at a box. (Retort: you didn't.)
50 Shades of Gray is directed at women
the same sort who like Romance novels and Vampires
What constitutes myopia is chewing someone out for not providing encyclopedic depth in a casual three-line chat-board post. WCF presumed you’d grasp the obvious sensible limits to his comments.
you can have horses if you wish to move pretty far out and compromise on the home...say a trailer or Jim Walter prefab
land depends on where you are but most states outside the coasts have land around 1000/acre withing 50 miles of a metro area...might be a mix of scrub or hill and some pasture
and horses...anywhere from free to sky is the limit
but a decent 15-16 hand ridable 5-15 year old gelding with some skills can be had for less than 1000 easy
food...depends on rain and ground cover...Mr Rogers joint looks like he has to buy hay but where I am you can go with just grass and a little feed in green months and stock up hay in winter...buy hay when it's low (like not now) and average horse eats maybe 2-3 bucks hay a day...if on only hay diet...but they won't eat tarnished hay like cows...gotta be dry...best to buy bales not rolls
it's all about choices..get yer ass outta the city
even backwoods trailer beats inner city nothingness
there is no doubt of that
you have to move to where life fits you...I have and will go even further out when I can but 10 acres 30 miles south of Nashville with decent schools will do for now
I actually love a lot of British SF, Blake’s 7, Red Dwarf. It’s really just the Doctor that bugs me.
Harlan’s a trip. I’m not actually convinced he hates anything, he’s such a professional curmudgeon. It’s one of the signs of just how awesome Tom Snyder was as an interviewer, he could actually get Harlan to say nice things. I miss Snyder.
Nobody is expecting encyclopedic depth. Just some consistency. There’s a big functional gap between “kill your TV, get a life” and “I’m watching a movie on my TV right now”. There’s actually plenty of folks on FR that throw around the “kill your TV” line that at least claim to not own one at all, not even for watching classic movies on DVD. So it’s not really an “obvious sensible limit” to think the guy that says “kill your TV” didn’t kill his.
Well then you would like ‘Blink’ in which the Doctor plays a minimal part. :) Look at the exorbitant IMDB rating...
Ellison likes a lot of stuff too. He just has high standards. Listen to this great bit...
To most, “kill your TV” means “drop the continuous-feed ad-driven content defined by others (akin to a magazine subscription)”, which is different from “watch what you want when you want without ads (akin to reading a book)”.
Sorry if you were unaware of the nuances of a common social code-phrase.
No it doesn’t. That would be “kill your cable”. “Kill your TV” logically means kill the TV.
There’s no nuances in this and it ain’t a code phrase. Next you’re going to be quibbling about what “is” means.
You’re forgetting about OTA.
OTA isn’t cable.
Both are what is generically termed “TV”: ad-driven content selected by others.
I don’t have either.
For the uses you’re whining about, what you’re calling a “TV” is more properly called a “monitor”.
I _do_ have what is being used as nothing more than a monitor.
Alas, all the terms involved are used loosely enough to induce strife when someone insists on precise usage thereof.
And yes, I can be just as pedantic as you.
Notice how the TV is always unplugged from power or outright destroyed for these. Nobody's watching DVDs of old movies in these "kill your TV". It's not pedantic, it's simply expecting people to mean what they say. Like I said to him, if he'd said "watch less TV", or "watch better TV" there'd be no issue. But he said "kill your TV" which for everybody else in the world means watch NONE, including classic movies on DVD.
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