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If Obama wins: Will Texas secede from the union?
BizPac Review ^ | Michael Dorstewitz

Posted on 07/15/2012 3:46:27 PM PDT by cap10mike

Could Texas once again become the Republic of Texas?

Without question, the Nov. 6 election will be a do-or-die, make-or-break, Rubicon-crossing event. If the presidential election goes one way, we get a “do-over.” We’ll be given the opportunity to take the first step on a long, arduous journey back to our political and economic roots. If it goes the other way, federalism and balance of power will continue to be edged out by an overreaching federal government and an imperial presidency. Socialism will have an unbreakable hold on the economy, and a centralized government, rather than a free market, will determine business’ winners and losers.

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TOPICS: Government; History; Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: bho2012; election; obama; secession; texas; tx2012
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To: OneWingedShark; donmeaker
If Texas were to secede then such plants would not be under the federal government's jurisdiction.

Oh they would still be the federal governments. Just newly listed as superfund sites. Right, don?

321 posted on 07/18/2012 6:02:41 PM PDT by bigheadfred (MY PET TAPEWORM OBIWAN IS AN INSANE MILITARY HATING LEFTIST)
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To: OneWingedShark

If Tx were to pretend to secession, I bet you would volunteer to fire on the guards.


322 posted on 07/18/2012 7:04:15 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Triple

Unless you are very very good with Ouija board, original intent can no longer be determined. Original language is more available to the rest of us, and less susceptible to manipulation to suit your favorite cause.

And of course the current precedent on secession is Texas v. White.


323 posted on 07/18/2012 7:14:53 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: BroJoeK

Not to mention the 40 regiments of loyal Southern men who fought against the pretended confederacy.


324 posted on 07/18/2012 7:20:56 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

“Unless you are very very good with Ouija board, original intent can no longer be determined. “ - DM

Spoken like a true liberal/socialist/totalitarian.


325 posted on 07/19/2012 1:40:30 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: donmeaker
donmeaker: "Not to mention the 40 regiments of loyal Southern men who fought against the pretended confederacy."

Right, but if I get into the war itself, would need a whole new list of "indisputable truths." ;-)

According to this site, of the 2.2 million total Union soldiers, about half were native-born whites Americans.
About half a million were Germans.
Over 200,000 each were African-Americans (half free, half escaped slaves) and Irish.
The balance of nearly 300,000 included Dutch, Canadians, Brits, French, Scandinavian, Italians, Jews, Polish and Native Americans.

Among all these were a total of 450,000 Union troops from Southern & Border States including 150,000 Southern blacks, 200,000 troops from Border States (Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland) and 100,000 from the 11 Confederate states.

The largest actual Confederate state contribution to Union forces came from Eastern Tennessee.

By contrast, the Confederate Army totaled maybe 1.5 million, of whom over 90% were native born whites.
Virtually no northern state citizens served in the Confederate Army.

326 posted on 07/19/2012 3:48:18 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
200,000 troops from Border States (Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland)

MD graveyards are full of Confederate Veterans. Missouri supplied way more than 200,000 troops to the PACS.

327 posted on 07/19/2012 3:53:32 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BroJoeK

Infantry

1st Infantry
1st and 4th (Consolidated) Infantry
2nd Infantry
2nd and 6th (Consolidated) Infantry
3rd Infantry
3rd and 5th (Consolidated) Infantry
4th Infantry
5th Infantry
6th Infantry
7th Infantry
8th Infantry
9th Infantry
10th Infantry
11th Infantry
12th Infantry
16th Infantry
Clark’s Regiment, Infantry
Winston’s Regiment, Infantry
1st Battalion, Infantry
3rd Battalion, Infantry
8th Battalion, Infantry
Perkins’ Battalion, Infantry

Sharpshooters

9th Battalion, Sharp Shooters
Searcy’s Battalion, Sharp Shooters

Cavalry

1st Cavalry
1st and 3d (Consolidated) Cavalry
1st Northeast Cavalry
2nd Cavalry
2nd Northeast Cavalry (Franklin’s Regiment)
3rd Cavalry
4th Cavalry
5th Cavalry
6th Cavalry
7th Cavalry
8th Cavalry
9th (Elliott’s) Cavalry
10th Cavalry
12th Cavalry
15th Cavalry
Coffee’s Regiment, Cavalry
Coleman’s Regiment, Cavalry
Freeman’s Regiment, Cavalry
Fristoe’s Regiment, Cavalry
Hunter’s Regiment, Cavalry
Jackman’s Regiment, Cavalry
Lawther’s Temporary Regiment, Dismounted Cavalry
Poindexter’s Regiment, Cavalry
Slayback’s Regiment, Cavalry
Williams’ Regiment, Cavalry
Wood’s Regiment, Cavalry
3rd Battalion, Cavalry
Clardy’s Battalion, Cavalry
Davies’ Battalion, Cavalry
Ford’s Battalion, Cavalry
Preston’s Battalion, Cavalry
Schnabel’s Battalion, Cavalry
Shaw’s Battalion, Cavalry
Snider’s Battalion, Cavalry
Beck’s Company, Cavalry
Hick’s Company, Cavalry
Hobbs’ Company, Cavalry
Stallard’s Company, Cavalry
Woodson’s Company, Cavalry

Mounted Infantry

Boone’s Regiment, Mounted Infantry

Artillery

1st Battery, Light Artillery
1st Field Battery, Light Artillery
2nd Field Battery, Light Artillery
3rd Battery, Light Artillery
3rd Field Battery, Light Artillery
4th (Harris’) Field Battery, Light Artillery
13th Missouri Battery, Light Artillery
Farris’ Battery, Light Artillery (Clark Artillery)
Hamilton’s (Prairie Gun) Battery, Light Artillery
Barret’s Company, Light Artillery
Bledsoe’s Company, Light Artillery
Bledsoe’s Company, Artillery
Landis’ Company, Light Artillery
Lowe’s Company, Artillery (Jackson Battery)
McDonald’s Company, Light Artillery
Parson’s Company, Light Artillery
von Phul’s Company, Light Artillery
Walsh’s Company, Light Artillery

Misc

Dorsey’s Regiment
Douglas’ Regiment
Lawther’s Partisan Rangers
Miscellaneous, Missouri
Parsons’ Regiment
Phelan’s Regiment
Quantrill’s Company
Missouri State Guard
Thompson’s Command

See also

Lists of American Civil War Regiments by State
Confederate Units by State
Missouri State Guard


328 posted on 07/19/2012 3:59:23 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: LaserJock
You mean something like this?...

My first reaction was to look for a "like" button. Failing that, my second reaction was to look for replies.

Really? Nobody replied to this?

329 posted on 07/19/2012 4:17:07 PM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: LaserJock

Well written. A few irregularities, but a good read.


330 posted on 07/19/2012 6:45:49 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: donmeaker
If Tx were to pretend to secession, I bet you would volunteer to fire on the guards.

And why would you bet on that?

331 posted on 07/19/2012 6:46:21 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: moonshot925

You keep harping that about a SCOTUS decision being the end all be all on the subject. If I remember correctly, SCOTUS came to the Dred Scott decision. So, carrying your logic to it’s obvious conclusion, we should still be following the Dred Scott decision.

SCOTUS rulings are only as good as the paper they’re written on...can be overturned at the whim of a new SCOTUS. So pull your brains out of your shorts and actually think before you type.


332 posted on 07/19/2012 7:50:13 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (Voting Anyone but Obama in 2012.)
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To: OneWingedShark

There are always a few who let their enthusiasm run away from their good sense.

Posting about the desirability of treason on Free Republic would be one way to identify such people.


333 posted on 07/19/2012 9:30:49 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Triple

Rather, written by one who recognizes that the only artifacts we have use language, and we have to look at the meaning of the language used, in the context of the times in which the language was written, as such meaning can be determined.


334 posted on 07/19/2012 10:19:31 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: bigheadfred

I would suggest that Texas should not set up murder camps.


335 posted on 07/19/2012 10:23:28 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: MissouriConservative

The Dred Scott decision was corrected by constitutional amendments. Of course if you had enough support to correct SCOTUS error by amendment, you wouldn’t need to secede.


336 posted on 07/19/2012 10:31:50 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
Funny thing; treason cannot include the overthrow of the federal government according to the Constitution.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
As you can see, the plurals clearly indicate that treason is against multiple-entities and not a singular-entity.

But the federal government can be treasonous; indeed operation Fast and furious is treason if you consider the drug cartels to be enemies of several states, this by the fact that the providing of weapons is material aid and the prosecution protections provides them comfort. Arizona itself is dealing with the cartels's influence/incursion as is [IIUC] Texas. (Likely NM as well, however I've not seen much directly indicating it.)

337 posted on 07/19/2012 11:40:32 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: donmeaker

My point is, SCOTUS decisions are the end all be all final word on ANY subject. I am of the belief that any state can secede at any time. It’s simply withdrawling from a contract. The federal government has violated that contract and hence, the other parties can depart said contract.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it expressly forbid the states from seceding, nowhere does it even remotely come close to hinting at secession as being forbidden. Hence, the beloved 10th amendment rides in and saves the day. But to some people, simple logic is as complex physics.


338 posted on 07/19/2012 11:48:03 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (Voting Anyone but Obama in 2012.)
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To: donmeaker
The Dred Scott decision was corrected by constitutional amendments. Of course if you had enough support to correct SCOTUS error by amendment, you wouldn’t need to secede.

Really, which Constitutional amendment is this?

339 posted on 07/20/2012 12:06:33 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: donmeaker; Triple; null and void
I would suggest that Texas should not set up murder camps.

This is assuredly an assured (within the parameter ohfuckmefuckmesoitisjustussalivariousness) reference to Aschelminthes.

PS: I LOVE YOU DONMEAKER

340 posted on 07/20/2012 1:21:08 AM PDT by bigheadfred (MY PET TAPEWORM OBIWAN IS AN INSANE MILITARY HATING LEFTIST)
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