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Posted on 06/11/2012 5:41:04 AM PDT by plenipotentiary
Both Barack Obama II and Stanley Ann Dunham are invented personas.
A male child was born, probably son of Malcolm X and an unknown woman possibly Jo Ann Newman (per Martha Trowbridge). The childs father knew his days were numbered so to protect his only son he arranged with his Muslim and Communist contacts, to have him brought up in Indonesia under the protection of President Sukarno. He was a member of the Presidents extended family and under the direct protection of a high ranking Indonesian special forces officer, Pak Lolo Soetoro (which was probably not his real name). Soetoro did have a wife, and Obama believed her to be his mother, but she was not.
Sukarno was removed from power in March 1967.
In 1971, Obama II was moved to Hawaii, at that point the character of Stanley Ann Dunham was created (the birth certificate they use is illegible and that indicates that it does not support the created identity, and therefor everything after that in her story is also false) to allow a connection with communist agents, the Dunham family, and allow Obama II to be mentored in Communism by Frank Marshall Davis. The Dunhams probably had a son called Stanley Armour Dunham Junior (fate unknown). They initially changed the first names to Shirley Ann, and then ridiculously to Stanley Ann Dunham. SAD was never in Seattle, Why would she go to University there and take a night school or correspondance course)
Obama I was introduce briefy as Obama II's fake father. There probably was a real son of Obama I, but he was sidelined (maybe the Roman Obama who was stranded in KGB training school in Moscow)and the person we now know as Barack Obama II took his identity.
Obama II is a creature of the KGB and the Muslim Brotherhood, who both share aims to impose their way of life on the USA.
I remember the article that claimed that Ann left the baby behind in Hawaii; I don’t remember that Rick Anderson (is that the name?) was married to SAD’s cousin. Can you reprise the evidence for that? Which cousin is or was he married to?
There is no evidence Stanley was in Honolulu prior to 1967. All you have is a letter from Hawaii and it is false like much of the rest of the material received from corrupt Hawaii officials.
Exact same argument. You for some bizarre reason, only want to believe the latter half of the letter. How do you know she was in Hawaii from 1963-1966 and not in Moscow or Mars?
You have seen more that I ought to give you about the interview with Barry which was done when he was in Boston purportedly going to law school--in it he clearly says he went to Indonesia when he was two--that would be 1963.
I have seen the wire story. Obama does not "clearly say" anything, because it is not a direct quote. That is what the reporter and only the reporter clearly says. The reporter also clearly says Obama went to Indonesia when his mother Stanley Anne married an Indonesian man. So, there is no testimony either direct or indirect that Obama ever said he left his mother behind in Hawaii. You are picking and choosing again.
Facts are Barry went to Indonesia in early 1963
Interesting idea, but you have so far failed to prove this.
it may be that Stanley took him but she was in fact in school at U of Hawaii in early 63
What evidence do you have she was at UHawaii in early 1963 that doesn't also say she was there in Late 1960?
she delivered him to the Soebarkah's. She didn't see him again until sometime after 1966 according to Lia, the housemaid.
Now, this actually sounds interesting and something that might actually prove part of what you're saying. Do you have a cite for this quote by "Lia," outside your imagination, of course? , the original record is there was never a child on capital hill at the Toutonghi's boarding house.
What "original record" is this?
a wire story in which he says he went to Indonesia at age 2 which would be 1963.
The only problem is, Barry doesn't say this, the reporter does. He might have been laying out something closer to the (phony) story in "Dreams," - "My father Barack Obama left the family when I was 2, and then my mother got a divorce and remarried an Indonesian man where I was raised until I was 10." The AP reporter paraphrases (not quotes), this as, "“Obama moved to Southeast Asia at age 2 when his parents divorced and his mother married an Indonesian,” .
Now, you are taking as gospel the beginning of the sentence, "Obama moved to Southeast Asia at age 2." Do you take as gospel the entire sentence from AP? That "age 2" is "when... his mother married an Indonesian"? In fact, every record we have is that the Anne Dunham married Soetoro the Indonesian in 1966. Not 1963.
Stanley did start college at University of Hawaii at exactly that time in 1963 and attended continuously through 1966.
Yes, she restarted in 1963 through 1966.
No Barry seen anywhere in Hawaii with Stanley, her mother, or anyone else.
Not true. There are photographs of him in a Hawaiian kindergarten class, at the beach in Hawaii and the zoo in Hawaii for those years, off the top of my head.
I realize that I’m coming in on the middle of this conversation. That old news article, written when he was handed the position as editor (or president, whichever) of the Harvard Law Review, did say he went to Indonesia when he was two. Lia, his adopted sister, said that Ann was in Indonesia with Lolo and Ann told Lia that she was going to Hawaii to “pick” her a new brother and bring him back to Indonesia. This took place when Barry was about 6. So which story do we believe? This is the situation with most “facts” about Obama’s life history. They are ever-changing. He’s a chameleon.
I realize that I’m coming in on the middle of this conversation. That old news article, written when he was handed the position as editor (or president, whichever) of the Harvard Law Review, did say he went to Indonesia when he was two. Lia, his adopted sister, said that Ann was in Indonesia with Lolo and Ann told Lia that she was going to Hawaii to “pick” her a new brother and bring him back to Indonesia. This took place when Barry was about 6. So which story do we believe? This is the situation with most “facts” about Obama’s life history. They are ever-changing. He’s a chameleon.
I should have said “reappeared” there first. Sorry. You won’t find it at Trowbridge’s because she has made her blog subscription only.
That sounds interesting. It contradicts your Indonesia theory, though.
I think there was some speculation on an old thread that there was some kind of Communist daycare on Kalanianaole Highway... maybe there were pictures? Or maybe he was being babysat by NASA scientists on the Air Force base down there in Hawaii.
it wasn't credible to believe Stanley would have done that had she been the real mother.
She was a weirdo, she might have. She also might not have had a choice in the matter, either.
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She went to the Commie daycare in Hawaii to choose between Roman Obama and Barry Dunham-Davis?
First in a series of posts by David.
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Second in a series of posts by David. .
May be! :)
“NOW CHECK OUT THE ‘TEACHERS’ VIDEO:
http://seattlest.com/2008/01/30/obamas_mixed_an.php
“In the first one it clearly states she spent one year in Seattle and then TWO YEARS at the high school. “
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The person videotaped asserting that “fact” is Tim Jones, reporter, Chicago Tribune.
His exact quote:”...but her formative years were spent in the Pacific NorthWest-—one year in Seattle and two years in a semi-rural island just east of Seattle called Mercer Island.”
If that interview was conducted around the time-frame of the post date, Jan 30, 2008, I find it odd that it directly conflicts with his critically acclaimed and oft-cited article, dated March 27, 2007, in which Jones states,
“Obama visited the Seattle area last October, and in a speech to a Democratic Party rally at Bellevue Community College, he mentioned that his mother attended Mercer Island High School before moving on to Hawaii. In “Dreams,” Obama wrote that the family moved to Seattle “long enough for my mother to finish high school.””
“But her stop was more than some educational cup of coffee; Obama’s mother spent 8th grade through high school here. Four of those five years were spent on Mercer Island, a 5-mile-long, South America-shaped stretch of Douglas firs and cedars, just across from Seattle in Lake Washington.”
Obama’s mom: Not just a girl from Kansas
Regardless, as far as I have been able to determine, reporter Jones has never publicly offered a reason how his 5 years in Washington became 3 years in Washington (or vice versa).
In the grand scheme of things, it may not be important, but IMO it lends credence to the likelihood of SAD’s absence from Washington that senior (12th grade) year and, as you both mentioned, fits into the 1959 Chicago au pair/Black Orpheus scenario-—the date the movie played in Chicago was pegged down to a certainty here on FR.
Also, Chip Wall oddly points to his senior yearbook photo in the video interview, but not SAD’s.
David: Off-the-wall question: Did Mercer Island high school have what I think had been called “advanced placement” -— an opportunity whereby a student could fulfill requirements and graduate at the end of the 11th grade and proceed to college? Off the wall because I think had that been the case with SAD, her friends and teachers would have been proud (and permitted) to discuss.
FN: Had we not also established that father Stanley departed Washington for Hawaii in 1959, rather than 1960?
In the series: # 296 and # 297 for Third and Fourth posts by David.
Thanks, David. We appreciate your updates.
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Here you go, I can’t be bothered posting the same images again for the umpteenth time, what he’s doing is trying desperately to turn THE MODEL into Stanley Ann Dunham.
He’s clutching it like a drowning man clinging to a life-raft.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2895490/posts?page=246#246
Time in Lebanon?
To the best of my recollection, there was a report from one of her 'classmates' (I'll find it if I have to) that the father went to Hawaii before 1960, and Madelyn waited...and as soon as SAD graduated, they hopped on a 'plane to join him.
Made me smile at the time. It was so obviously a statement that had as it's origin the appearance of the 'dock image' which was firstly described as the arrival of the kenyan in the summer of 1959. And there's Stanley Armour standing there...
Which only resulted in more questions. How come Stanley Armour knew the kenyan to be on the dock as part of the welcome?
So the story was changed again. And the dock arrival became a graduation celebration for the kenyan. When it was pointed out that a dock was a strange place for that kind of celebration, and what on earth were the captain, the crew and the dock workers doing there, we were told the image was of the kenyan's departure.
you gotta be FLEXIBLE.
Now let me tell you something funny. The face on the man wearing all the fake lei, obviously placed to hide the fact that he had his arm around the young girl beside him, is the face of a older Barack Hussein Obama from Kogelo in Kenya. It looks like the same face we see in around 1971 at the airport in Hawaii.
Have you ever tried to nail jelly to a wall? I haven't, but I do have an idea what it feels like. And as always, your power of observation is impeccable.
Zero is still repeating that even now, 'my father abandoned us when I was two years old' - he really has no choice. It's his life story you know, and he can't take it back. The only thing left to him, if things get bad enough, is to blame someone else, and say that his mother lied to him. Now, seeing that she was still alive when he wrote (when Ayres) wrote that book, he's going to have to call a dead woman a liar, because she was still there. Would he do that? Only if he has to.
About the cap and gown, you may have started something, they are probably preparing one for you right now...it's no sooner said than done...in zero wonderland, anything is possible.
bump for later
You seem to be saying this with some certainty.
Do tell! Who, in your opinion, is his true mother?
Beware, Philman, there is an ever expanding cult built around the teachings of one Martha Trowbridge. Abandon facts, logic, common sense, and above all common courtesy, all who subscribe to it. All who dare question it, no matter how reasonable the questions, prepare to be smeared, insulted and worse.
I only offer you this heads up, Phil, because I really like you. Take it fwiw.
Why are you calling Barry a “bastard” and thereby implying he does not have a foreign father? It sounds like you are covering for the 0 and looking for a way to make him American. BE GONE, OBOT!
I've investigated everything I could, but I haven't found any evidence she did not. To be fair there is no diploma or graduation photo, either.
One reason why there might be so few yearbooks: there was some talk that in 1960, soon after Castro took over Cuba, the Little Red Church -- the Unitarian church on Mercer Island -- put together some kind of "friendship tour" to Cuba. I think it's possible that the High School, with at least two outspoken Communist teachers -- was somehow involved in this trip. So the 1960 yearbook might have evidence of this trip and therefore evidence of how deep the Communist connections are in this school. I think that might be a good reason for the Mercer community to keep so silent about the details of 1960 and disappear so many yearbooks. Just an idea.
Quill & Scroll implies she was probably writing for the school newspaper. It would be interesting to see what kind of Communist claptrap she was spewing on those pages.
That is a very interesting theory, about the trip to Cuba. It sounds like a real possibility. I don't know if you saw my theory up thread or not. I posited that when it began to look as if SAD’s son would be POTUS, the publicly available yearbooks were purloined, either as keepsakes or as investments. (I.e.: one of them might end up on Ebay at some point in the future.) The fact that they are stamped w the library's addy means nothing. I own dozens of library-stamped books. I buy more almost every mo. When the library sells their extra books, they do nothing to remove their stamp.
I'm sure you know about this, but there is a scholarship in SAD’s name. It is a Mercer HS scholarship, and it particularly states that it is in SAD’s name because she is an outstanding grad of the school.
She is also noted as a Mercer Hi grad in the official historical encyclopedia of WA State. I do not buy the idea that this is all some vast, elaborate conspiracy. The issues surrounding BHO’s BC fraud make sense; there is damaging info on the original 'birth records' that must be concealed. But there would be no damaging fallout to admitting SAD finished HS somewhere else, or even that she earned a GED. The idea that so many people are collaborating in/lying on behalf of a SAD-graduation-hoax is, frankly, insane. The downside outweighs any gain—whatever it might be—that such a far-flung conspiracy might reap.
Philman_36,
clues in post #297 are that the “true mother” ‘s extended family are big supporters of 0.
David,
Can you send some leads; PM if you don’t want them going down the rabbit hole...
Clear thinking is not your forte I see. Show us proof that the biological father you prefer was in fact married to the basatrd’s mother when he was born. Do I need to clarify that even more than that? ... What a maroon.
Yeah, I read that. Kind of vague, isn't it.
Lots of people are "big supporters of 0".
A “true mother” and the extended family would have a "true name".
If David doesn't want to share his opinion, or knowledge, of who this person is then all he has to do is say so.
A simple "I'd rather not say at this time" would suffice.
I've read her Jo Ann Newman articles before they became pay for view articles. I'm just eating popcorn and watching the show nowadays.
Did you know that someone with that name is a FReeper?
I only offer you this heads up, Phil, because I really like you.
Well, while I appreciate your kind words, I've never come here to be "liked". I've ticked off so many people at so many different times it's not funny. Hopefully I won't tick you off as well, but I discount nothing as this isn't the only issue/subject I follow.
Obot, you need to clarify why you are shilling for Barry by claiming that he was a bastard.
You poor pitiful thing, you just can’t register what is being said about little barry bastard commie. Can’t afford to can you? FMD is not little steven barnard dunham’s sperm donor daddy. And if you can find proof that little barry bastard commie had a mother and father who were married when he was born, you would have posted it. You poor thing. Bless your little heart, you just aren’t able to comprehend. We understand, we understand.
Well, nice imagination, but since I personally called botht eh public library and the High School library and got the same response —that someone claiming to be from the Press checked them out and has never returned them— I doubt that the annuals will ever be recovered which came from the libraries. I have a contact in WA state who spent some ‘quality time’ looking around for copies of the annuals from 1957 through 1960. I’m of the opinion that Barry’s real sperm donor is pictured in one of those annuals, if that will help you take a closer look if you ever see one. Oh, and here’s one more hint which I hope doesn’t get the guy killed (he doesn’t live in WA state nay longer): the actual bio daddy does not immediately appear to be black, you have to look with an ‘anthropological eye’.
So if I called the Mercer Island Public Library and got an entirely different story, that would all be part of the conspiracy, correct?
I have no idea, I’m not into conspiracies when the facts are more available. If you want to play at conspiracy games, have fun!
Well I just called two public libraries, one on Mercer Island and the other the main library that covers the various branches. I got an entirely different story than the one they told you. So there is no game and I’m not playing. I’m just reporting what happened, and I will leave it at that.
Have a nice day.
Do they have any copies they will lend out to you?
Omc! You made me laugh till I hurt. Humor is just what this thread needs more of. I’m glad you’re on it.
{;^)
Stop it—you’re killing me.
Lol.
“About the cap and gown, you may have started something, they are probably preparing one for you right now...it’s no sooner said than done...in zero wonderland, anything is possible.”
OMG. You are so correct! I expect it now. Thanks. I’ll be looking for it. And remember: You saw it here first. I’ll be ready to take a bow for being the inspiration!
I agree with you about Trowbridge. That’s a real “fantasy” writer as well as a fantasy of a writer.
Did you try the High School library? The number for the secreatry is 206 236 3395. Is that the number you used?
Well that is just a shame. Because if you could speak calmly, logically and rationally to her followers, at least some would listen and a productive conversation would ensue. But when they call you an Obot right out of the gate, with all the suspicion and implied bad faith motives that entails, rational discussion is DOA.
...But his true mother and her extended family in the US are at this point, a significant part of the effort that has made him a political figure. These people are being concealed for a reason...
And you are asking that he place their names here? Are we adults here or children playing games?
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