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Where Do Conservatives Go Now?
http://www.conservativehq.com ^ | 4-18-12 | Richard A. Viguerie

Posted on 05/01/2012 6:53:29 PM PDT by Mozilla

Today, Parts 1, 2 & 3.

Now that moderate former Massachusetts Governor Mitt is the presumptive Republican nominee for President, many conservatives are asking “What should I do now that it looks like Republicans will not nominate a conservative candidate for President?”

First, don’t be Mitt Romney’s cheap date.

The grassroots movement conservative voters who powered the Santorum campaign can not be taken for granted. During the 2006 congressional elections some 4 million conservative voters stayed home, producing one of the greatest defeats for the Republican Party in the modern era.

Some conservatives were quick to endorse Mitt Romney now that the nomination looks settled. They got it exactly backwards – conservatives should not be rushing to embrace Romney; Romney should be rushing to embrace conservatives.

No one wants to stay home during this important election cycle, however, Mitt Romney has given little evidence he wants, and is willing to work for, conservative support.

If Mitt Romney wants the support of grassroots conservatives and Tea Partiers, the next six moves are up to him.

So far there’s no new sign that a Romney administration will result in the kind of fiscally sound, constitutionally conservative government that conservatives saw coming from the other candidates in the race.

Second, redouble conservative efforts to takeover the Republican Party.

Time after time during the Republican primary election cycle grassroots conservatives and Tea Partiers saw establishment Republican Party officials put their thumb on the scale to tip the balance in Mitt Romney’s favor.

To prevent this from happening again, and to build a Republican Party leadership that truly represents its conservative base, Tea Partiers and grassroots conservative activists must redouble their efforts to takeover the Republican Party.

This means running for positions in the Republican Party organization – starting with precinct committeeman or woman – and getting involved in the local Republican Party organization.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012; endorsements; inman; rino; romney
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To: Artcore; Randy Larsen; WhiskeyX
Perhaps you should contact all of the voters around the nation who opted to vote for Romney......

DID they vote for Romney?

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51 posted on 05/01/2012 9:01:49 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Artcore

They aren’t spilling their swill on FR!

You, on the other hand are.


52 posted on 05/01/2012 9:04:27 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate Rinos and Romney is one of the worst Rinos ever!)
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To: Mozilla

At this point I’m surveying the 3rd party candidates as an independent. I left the Repug party after they nominated McAhole last time, and they have now stayed true to form and nominated yet another slimy lib. I could care less who the R VP is at this point, since a VP has no power or influence over anything that matters - especially if they’re not of like mind with a lib Prez. My vote will go to the most fiscally conservative candidate, which I can guarantee won’t have a D or R next to their name. No it’s NOT voting for Obamao, it’s voting for who I vote for, and on principle rather than as a rah-rah mindless party lemming that does what they’re told by their rich elitist masters.


53 posted on 05/01/2012 9:06:43 PM PDT by MCH
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To: Mozilla
I don’t agree with either guy Obama or Romney. I aim to vote against both. A protest vote.

It is naive to think that conservatives will take the House or Senate when 0bama wins when the ABO vote is split between Romney and some nobody.

FReepers were screaming for Santorum to drop out because he was splitting the ABRomney vote.

IT IS THE EXACT SAME SITUATION NOW.

A vote for ABRomney is a vote for 0bama. Period.

It is simple math. It really is.
54 posted on 05/01/2012 9:09:14 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan ("Pray for America")
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To: DJ MacWoW

“DID they vote for Romney?”
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Romney has won the majority of state primaries and caucuses; I’m assuming people voted for him.


55 posted on 05/01/2012 9:12:02 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Artcore
Did you read the link?
56 posted on 05/01/2012 9:16:25 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Randy Larsen

I’m simply stating a fact. A majority of GOP primary voters cast their votes for Romney. I had really hoped that Gingrich would’ve picked up steam. His ideas on energy, foreign policy, the nations courts, and his ability to dominate debates would’ve been a pure delight to behold.


57 posted on 05/01/2012 9:16:52 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Artcore; Randy Larsen

There was funny business going on and Florida is a good example. The link I posted to you is a FReepers first hand account of more funny business.


58 posted on 05/01/2012 9:19:18 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: MtBaldy
Let me put it this way.

I am a Conservative, and a Christian.

I cannot vote for anyone who supports abortion.

I cannot vote for anyone who has proposed or approved a health care mandate which requires me to pay for other people's abortions.

I cannot vote for either of the 'front runners'.

If the question is one of betraying God over some political snotfaces, forget it.

So I'm voting for God, and neither Obama nor Romney.

They did this, they put their god (the state) in conflict with Jesus.

My choice is clear. Neither of them will get my vote.

59 posted on 05/01/2012 9:19:26 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: MtBaldy

The GOPE have crafted this outcome because they are moving Left and must attract the Left to advance that ball. This naturally requires some useful idiots thrown into the mix also. These GOPE will pass every Marxist-socialist inclination Romney launches, because they own him and want to see him succeed, where as, Obama in a second term would be fought tooth and nail by these same players, for pushing the same or similar crap.

How do I know this?

The GOPE are seen excusing and polishing the Myth record in MA, the template for the worst of the Marxist policies now destroying the country under Obama, which the illustrious Establishment now feign to deplore.

This is where the useful idiots come in, those who will believe Romney is an alternative to Obama the Terrible, or will bring “peace and safety”. You appear to be a qualifier. Or just another Lefty?

Either way, I wouldn’t hang your head out the window here on FR.
(You’ll get bugs in your teeth, at your high rate of speed.)


60 posted on 05/01/2012 9:19:42 PM PDT by RitaOK (Nevermind, Newt. Forget the convention. I'm trusting God for the rest.)
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To: MtBaldy

That might be just slightly better than Comrade ORomney thanking me for mine. If he needs my vote in Tennessee to remain competitive, he has already lost in a landslide.


61 posted on 05/01/2012 9:22:16 PM PDT by Ingtar (When I donate to FR, it does not take the money and run as every politician I donate to does)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“There was funny business going on and Florida is a good example. The link I posted to you is a FReepers first hand account of more funny business.”
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If this is the case, I hope that this fully investigated and names are provided. I’ll try and read up on this issue.


62 posted on 05/01/2012 9:24:44 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Mozilla

“During the 2006 congressional elections some 4 million conservative voters stayed home, producing one of the greatest defeats for the Republican Party in the modern era”

And gave us Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid for leadership.... nice going. So glad you showed em


63 posted on 05/01/2012 9:25:57 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: MtBaldy

Willard Mitt Romney...

He’s not a Kenyan Communist bent on destruction of the United States. Obama is. Obama is a “red diaper” baby. He was born a communist. He was raised a communist. He was educated communist. He is, today, a communist.
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No but Willard Mitt Romney is..

He’s a Mexican Socialist bent on destruction of the United States.

He is a “blue state diaper” baby.

He was born a Socialist.

He was raised a Socialist.

He was educated Socialist.

He is, today, a Socialist.


64 posted on 05/01/2012 9:26:52 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Artcore
We have trusted those in positions of power on all levels. Our trust was misplaced.

The issue in Florida was that they changed the date of their primary. Before a certain date they could not be a winner take all state. The RNC broke their own rules and allowed Romney to take all. There are articles on FR.

I have to call it a night. Have a good one.

65 posted on 05/01/2012 9:35:34 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Mozilla

THIRD PARTY.And if you think romney has a chance in hell of beating the marxist well then you are a sheep.


66 posted on 05/01/2012 9:55:55 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: MtBaldy

If you vote for romney what are you? A sellout.


67 posted on 05/01/2012 9:57:19 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: napscoordinator

Their whores and nothing more.


68 posted on 05/01/2012 10:00:21 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Mountain Mary

Hear,hear Mountain Mary!Hear,hear!


69 posted on 05/01/2012 10:03:11 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Artcore

Yes they did.Its called open primaries and the demorats voted for him.How do you like that?Lowest turnout in decades.


70 posted on 05/01/2012 10:08:06 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Nifster

Youre all wet pal.The republicats screwed up in major fashion and lost our vote.Your kind of bullshit is whats wrong with the republicat party today.


71 posted on 05/01/2012 10:11:02 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Mozilla

I’m not going to respond to everyone individually but I will say this: When Obama is reelected President, when he increases the debt to 20 or 30 trillion and the US is forced to default on it’s loans, when we have hyperinflation robbing everyone of their earnings and their savings, when the military is finally gutted to the point where Mexico and Canada start eyeing us hungrily, when gasoline is over $10.00 a gallon because Obama will not allow new drilling or refinerys, when more and more of our major corporations move their operations overseas to escape the business hostile climate in the US are you still going to piously exclaim, “But at least I didn’t vote for that RINO Romney!”?


72 posted on 05/01/2012 10:17:47 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: MtBaldy

So you really think it will be any different under Romney?


73 posted on 05/01/2012 10:19:51 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Artcore

“One last point; I find it a bit discus ting to watch several FReepers (not necessarily this thread) trash Romney as the nominee, when many of these folks joined with Politico and other Left-leaning rags in trashing our early GOP contenders. How times did i hear Freepers trashing Bachman or Santorum saying: “Yep, they’re just not ready for prime time!” It was shameful watching FReepers gladly join along with Politico and the many bogus allegations about Cains “affairs.” And now many of these folks express outrage that we’re stuck with Romney? Sorry, but these folks who helped pile onto our candidates hold at least some responsibility for where we are today. “

HEARTILY agree. I was dismayed with the circular firing squad. I entertained supporting all, ended up deciding to support Perry about a month before he dropped out. Then I switched to Newt. But I DID NOT bash the other candidates - did compare records and statements here and there, but repeatedly said I’d support whoever ended up nominated, and that all candidates were better than Obama.

Correction, I was pretty critical of Paul. But that’s all.


74 posted on 05/01/2012 11:23:04 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Artcore
I simply refuse to allow the Kenyan four more years to complete his destruction of our nation.

Obama and the rest of the Statists will NEVER destroy our Republic. What they may indeed accomplish is collapsing the Federal Parasite bureaucracies.

It's kind of comical watching Mittbots and others trying to scare Conservatives into voting for the other rabid Statist, AKA Mitt.

Mitt and the GOP-e are as big an enemy as the RATs.

Does anyone honestly believe that Mitt would do anything to turn our Republic towards Liberty?? No. He would only delay our Socialist ending.

p.s. the other side of the end game is the repudiation of government and the flowering of Liberty.

75 posted on 05/01/2012 11:27:13 PM PDT by sand88 (Nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for Mitt.)
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To: MtBaldy

I used to say that “a no vote is a vote for” crap, too. Not this time.


76 posted on 05/01/2012 11:36:32 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Artcore

The RINOs will fight Zero tooth and nail. To them it is all about spoils. The question is only who gets to spend it.


77 posted on 05/01/2012 11:44:20 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

78 posted on 05/01/2012 11:57:02 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

What??? To say we MUST elect conservatives to the House and Senate???? How in the hell is that wrong???

Perhaps you have responded to my post but thought of someone else’s

As to the thought experiment—— they are always interesting -—but they are after all just experiments


79 posted on 05/02/2012 2:11:12 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

“Please enjoy our forum, but also please remember to use common courtesy when posting and refrain from posting personal attacks, profanity, vulgarity, threats, racial or religious bigotry, or any other materials offensive or otherwise inappropriate for a conservative family audience”

Just a reminder of what the policy is here at FR.


80 posted on 05/02/2012 2:14:17 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Mozilla

Conservatives should try to form a new party if they can no longer take over over the republican party effectively. But I think for now trying to get into the system is what should be done. However, the GOP might be close to collapse at the rate it is going.

We should have had Romney laughed off stage from the start. Sadly, too many people in primary state up in the northeastern states are poisoned into thinking he was electable and he is not.


81 posted on 05/02/2012 2:47:49 AM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: Randy Larsen; MtBaldy

TO me the republican establishment have done a disservice promoting Romney who is so polarizing and confusing to pin down as to what he will do if elected that he has become poison for the party and a bridge too far for most.

So now we have a lot of other problems to deal with aside from Obama. The GOP seems to have been infiltrated by liberals. Reagan would be attacked by them in today’s GOP like Palin, Newt, Bachmann, Cain and DeMint are attacked by the GOP-E daily.

Hell, they did attack Reagan anyhow back in the day. But now they wouldn’t have let him get nominated like 1980.


82 posted on 05/02/2012 2:53:03 AM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: RitaOK

Bravo.
Three cheers.


83 posted on 05/02/2012 3:03:10 AM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: RitaOK; MtBaldy
"I wouldn’t hang your head out the window here on FR. (You’ll get bugs in your teeth, at your high rate of speed.)"

If there is any luck they will get eaten by an Indonesian. Getting whacked in the head while riding atop Romney's car has obviously caused severe brain damage.

84 posted on 05/02/2012 3:24:35 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: MtBaldy
It’s pretty simple really. If you’re a conservative and don’t vote for Romney then you have voted for Obama. If you write in your conservative “dream” candidate, you have voted for Obama. If you vote for Ron Paul, you have voted for Obama.

What a silly argument. You vote for who you vote for. The fact that the Republican Party has nominated a pandering blue blood liberal to lead their party tells you all you need to know about the GOP. I won't support that clown.

Spent most of my adulthood volunteering and contributing to the Republican Party, but the nomination of this pandering blue blood liberal is more then I can take. The Republican Party is the Democrat Party, a party I will no longer support.

85 posted on 05/02/2012 4:02:05 AM PDT by EagleInGA
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To: dfwgator

“So you really think it will be any different under Romney?”

Absolutely. Romney wasn’t raised a Communist. He doesn’t hate the United States and wan’t to turn it into a Third World nation.


86 posted on 05/02/2012 6:15:18 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: MtBaldy

We learned in 2010 - the GOP establishment EXPECTS conservatives to rush to their nominee when their milquetoast guy wins, BUT the GOP establishment did not rush to conservative candidates who won primaries fair and square. Ask Alaskans and Delaware residents.

So now, you are doing exactly as Team Mitt has said all along - “the base will come around”. Not me! Not this time!

I will not be taken for granted by the establishment anymore. I refuse to be their prison bitch when they have no intention of supporting my principles. So don’t tell me that my refusing to vote for a liberal is somehow helping the other liberal in the race.


87 posted on 05/02/2012 6:26:04 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Not Romney - Not ever!)
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To: muawiyah
>>Third party advocates usually overlook the truly huge movement of people from the Republican to the Democrat column under LBJ, and the even larger movement of people from the Democrat to the Republican column under Nixon and Reagan.
Those movements far outweighed any conceivable third-party development.<<

What? You can speak in regular ol language rather than attempting to sound scholarly. It's really ok.

88 posted on 05/02/2012 7:24:45 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777
'movement of people from .... and to ...." is no less scholarly than saying 'peel off a faction from"

Means the same thing.

As far as "attempting to sound scholarly" goes I'm not attempting.

89 posted on 05/02/2012 7:31:56 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

File under, “When ‘Keepin’ It Real’ Goes Wrong.”


90 posted on 05/02/2012 7:33:00 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: GreyMountainReagan
The same people demanding that one or more Conservatives drop out of the primary cycle were trying to distract you from the 7 RINOs in the race ~ who were splitting the vote.

The only three real and lifelong Republicans in the race were, in fact, Santorum, Gingrich and Caine. All those other guys were there just to make Romney look good (although I must say Huntsman did a better job of representing Mormon traditions of politeness and good humor than did the apostate Romney).

91 posted on 05/02/2012 7:43:21 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
>>’movement of people from .... and to ....” is no less scholarly than saying ‘peel off a faction from”
Means the same thing.
As far as “attempting to sound scholarly” goes I'm not attempting.<<

Now there ya go again. Dude, speak Texan for me will ya?

I’mma just a raggin on ya. That's Texan for kidding around.

God bless your day

92 posted on 05/02/2012 8:50:37 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: MtBaldy
"He doesn’t hate the United States and wan’t to turn it into a Third World nation.

Checking your etch-a-sketch talking points again, I see....

I'm sure it now says that Romney is not a scorched-earth, liberal, democrat gone "R".....

....And that skittles taste good when they shoot out unicorns butts. I'll bet Santa would be so proud of the research you have done on your "conservative" candidate.

93 posted on 05/02/2012 8:53:42 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: servantboy777

Well thankyou.


94 posted on 05/02/2012 9:00:06 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mozilla
I'm working like heck for my local congressional and state races. Living in Illinois the presidential vote didn't mean much before, and now that it is likely to be a choice between Romney and Obama it means even less. The only question is what sort of a protest vote on the top line will make the most, if any, difference. Vote for constitution party so the GOP knows it was a protest, or vote for the Green candidate in hopes of causing a split between the greens and the dems.

I got moved out of Peter Roskam's district due to redistricting. Getting Joe Walsh reelected is going to be tough as the district is now badly stacked against him. That and the locals are more that enough work to keep me busy no matter what happens at the top of the ticket.

Above all we must make sure conservatives don't stay home. To be blunt I do not give a darn what you do at the top of the ticket. If the choice is between RINO or Socialist we have already lost. The fight will be in Congress and the Senate. We need every last conservative, even the ones we disagree with, to show up and vote in those elections.
95 posted on 05/02/2012 9:33:37 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: MtBaldy
Romney wasn’t raised a Communist.

The policies he supported and implemented would be applauded by the Communist Party. Mitt greatly increased government in MA.

He doesn’t hate the United States and wan’t to turn it into a Third World nation

Mitt's actions in government shows that he has very little respect for our Constitution. Mitt's actual record is one of a hard-core Statist. Mitt's policies, if carried out nationwide would lead us to decay into a Third World nation.

Mitt worships at the Alter of State Power. The last time I checked, Communists worship at the Alter of State Power.

Mitt, like the Communists has very little respect for Individual rights. Mitt like Communists has a very strong Collectivists streaks.

It is pathetic how any Conservative can twist his principles and vote for Mitt.

The destination with Mitt is exactly the destination with Obama. A vote for either is a vote for Socialism.

96 posted on 05/02/2012 9:46:17 AM PDT by sand88 (Nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for Mitt.)
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To: sand88

My vote will go to the candidate [if any] that wants
1] Constitutional Congress formal declaration of war before bombing another country.
2] Will restore the job’s economy by making what we consume.
3] Return Roe v Wade to the States.


97 posted on 05/02/2012 10:05:53 AM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Mozilla

A lot of you flat out don’t know what you’re talking about. A lot are buying far right anti-Mitt propaganda without bothering to check it yourself. Romney had a hostile 85% Democrat state legislature in MA to contend with. Despite that MA was in better financial state when he left than when he took office.

Do your own reseach. Start here:

http://www.mittromney.com/s/mitt-ann-2012

Yeah, you can say he’s lying but I can agree with most of his published positions.

I really can’t believe how many rational and intelligent, although maybe that’s where I am going wrong, claimed conservatives honestly think there would be no difference between a Romney or an Obama presidency.

Romney will be the Republican candidate. If the choice were a moderate Democrat or Romney I might be tempted to abstain but that’s not the choice. This may be the most important election any of us vote in.

I am going to support Romney with my vote, donate more money to his campaign, and campaign for him. Hopefully there will be enough conservatives and Republicans out there who can see what we face in Obama to elect Romney in November.


98 posted on 05/02/2012 10:30:42 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Smokin' Joe

You expressed that perfectly. I’m with you.


99 posted on 05/02/2012 2:38:58 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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