Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Cities – A Prepper’s Nightmare & Solutions
SHTF Plan ^ | 4/10/12 | Jessica Hooley

Posted on 04/10/2012 6:53:21 PM PDT by Kartographer

Is it a coincidence that all of my nightmares occur in big cities? While it may be a personality glitch, I find that considering the dangers you face in the event of an emergency while living in a city, my nightmares may be justified. If you live in a city – buckle up. As a prepper you will have to work extra hard to make your emergency plan viable. And while I make no judgments on city dwellers, I must say – MOVE! For your own safety – MOVE! Move, move, move, move, move. Okay. I think I got it all out.

Now I understand that not everyone can just pick up and move because some lady on the internet says so. So if you are in the situation where you must stay in the city here are a few things you MUST have in your emergency preparedness plan.

(Excerpt) Read more at shtfplan.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: preparedness; prepperping; preppers; preppersincities; selfreliance; shtf; survival; survivalping
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-53 next last
Just glad I don't live in a big metro area, because I see few good choices other than to 'Get out of Dodge' before it all breaks lose.
1 posted on 04/10/2012 6:53:30 PM PDT by Kartographer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!


2 posted on 04/10/2012 6:55:14 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

I just want to reiterate that when the event happens, not if, but when, you have to remember that many large urban areas have limited access to food, because the urban dwellers make it impossible to profit.

Any of the ones that are present will have no more than 72 hours of stock for NORMAL sales, not a life or death rush on Spaghettios.

You absolutely do not want to be anywhere near one of these stores or any store. You will see the worst of humanity come out and if you think that the emergency services are going to keep order, you are fooling yourself. Like I have said before, the first firefighter shot will guarantee no fires put out. Once cops start getting shot, they too will go home or hunker down somewhere. The NG probably will not muster in the company and battalion strengths needed to carry out relief and in the urban areas, the armories may even come under attack by enterprising armed gangs.

You should have multiple paths out of the city. Highways will be choked with cars and tempers will flare.

Make friends with hunters who have land and think the way you do. They are already predisposed to self sufficiency anyway and you may have a place to cache supplies.


3 posted on 04/10/2012 7:07:40 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBPP Mob Justice!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Molon Labbie

“Once cops start getting shot, they too will go home or hunker down somewhere. “

Actually, the cops have families, and they may not even wait until one of their own gets shot. Similar to New Orleans, with the school buses - yea, lots of buses, and lots of people needing rides. But guess what, the drivers have higher priorities than carting around total strangers. In that case, the thing to do would have been to fly in drivers from Tennessee and other states far away from the hurricane, and give them a map.


4 posted on 04/10/2012 7:11:08 PM PDT by BobL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

I’m in an ideal spot. A tiny town more than 10 miles from the interstate with no connecting roads passing through.

You don’t come here by accident.


5 posted on 04/10/2012 7:12:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

I had to be in downtown Chicago the other day for a business meeting. I drove my Durango. There’s construction in the Loop right where the Eisenhower expressway begins. I had to drive about ten blocks to reach it.

It was the middle of the afternoon and nothing extraordinary was happening. It took me 45 minutes to move that ten blocks. I keep a Go bag in my truck, just in case.

I offer this just to say that if you’re caught in a major city when the SHTF don’t be under any illusions that you’ll be able to jump in your truck and drive out. Cities will be death traps for folks who,try to do so.


6 posted on 04/10/2012 7:12:30 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

Depends what happens. Populated areas are far more likely to receive any kind of help if there’s some sort of civilization remaining.

I can also see people in less populated areas being forced to relocate to management areas in some circumstances.

Likewise I can see hoarders being searched and excess food confiscated regardless of where you are.


7 posted on 04/10/2012 7:15:00 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lurker

I’ve given a couple of urban FReepers my address and phone number with a promise of a safe place to stay in the short term in the event of it all going to crap.


8 posted on 04/10/2012 7:16:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: driftdiver

Real hoarders cache.

Real self-defenders do the same.


9 posted on 04/10/2012 7:23:22 PM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek

God bless you for that offer. I pray they won’t need it but thankful that you’ll be their “beacon”, if need be.


10 posted on 04/10/2012 7:23:51 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: x1stcav

And unless you paid cash the govt knows you have it.


11 posted on 04/10/2012 7:28:45 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek

That was very decent of you.


12 posted on 04/10/2012 7:30:12 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Lurker

Urban people are most at risk and there’s strength in numbers. A little sacrifice in the beginning can become a great asset down the line.


13 posted on 04/10/2012 7:33:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: driftdiver

Figured that one out years ago, but it’s always good to be reminded in case I get lazy.


14 posted on 04/10/2012 7:35:09 PM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Lurker

I have a former coworker who traveled a lot for work, easily three weeks a month away from home (Chicago was a common stop, we had a major office there). He would FedEx his 72 hour bag to the hotel ahead of wherever he was traveling as you really can’t carry one on a plane. His bag would be waiting in his hotel room when he got there and he would keep it in his rental car.


15 posted on 04/10/2012 7:36:51 PM PDT by mnehring
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: x1stcav

All ammo, bought in cash.
All guns, private sales.
All food, extra in case.
All windows & doors, 2X4s in plenty.

Every time you go to Wal-Mart, buy another box of .22.


16 posted on 04/10/2012 7:43:14 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: struggle

Amen, brother.


17 posted on 04/10/2012 7:45:20 PM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

I enjoy your prepper posts! If SHTF and there is no power, there will be no traffic lights. That will make cities a big trap that people can’t get away from in a vehicle. After the food runs out in a few days there will be roving gangs spreading out to steal in the suburbs and beyond.


18 posted on 04/10/2012 7:45:34 PM PDT by MtnClimber (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth. —Theodore Roosevelt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek

That is very true.


19 posted on 04/10/2012 7:46:49 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: MtnClimber
I enjoy your prepper posts! If SHTF and there is no power, there will be no traffic lights. That will make cities a big trap that people can’t get away from in a vehicle. After the food runs out in a few days there will be roving gangs spreading out to steal in the suburbs and beyond. Here's a call to everyone in the 'burbs. If the SHTF, take command and tell your neighbors 5 things: 1. Don't move outside this community in the day, you'll get shot, robbed, or followed. 2. Establish a passquestion/password that everyone in the community knows and is changed frequently. 3. Collect rainwater with tarps and containers and clean it with bleach. Bury your trash or burn it in a safe place. Poop in a pit and cover it. 4. Establish night teams of 4 men with guns (2 at the end of each street, 2 walking back and forth). 5. If gangs come, show them crossfire. They and their friends will not return. Food and water become less of a nuisance when you're not being killed off.
20 posted on 04/10/2012 7:53:47 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

I reminded my college kid of this just today. Whether know-it-all kid acts on it quickly enough...


21 posted on 04/10/2012 7:56:08 PM PDT by bgill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All

Yeah, I do see some problems with this article. Keeping a truck ? Yeah, it’s a good idea when things calm down, but with a few caveats:

When “things calm down” and there are no more cars on the road, it’s because there is no fuel either.
A truck is large, and difficult to hide. A small truck is no better than a station wagon - It’s open (Or easy to get opened) and the more capable it is, the larger it is.
They can make a lot of noise. When it’s quiet, just about any car can be heard for miles and miles.
It’s another desirable item that you’ll have to defend.

In the city, it’s all about foot traffic. Even a bicycle is an object that needs defending. Learn to dress in layers - look and act like a mentally unstable bum. Carry as much ammo and weapons as you can. And to get your family out of town, you may need multiple trips. (stage your supplies, and stage them very close. Make it from one building to another for one day. Have supplies there. Next day, another building. Glacial movements.)

Learn how to dress the women in your family as convincing boys. Learn, yourself, how to change race. Learn a foreign language with enough fluency to get through a block or two.

Stop and listen. Stop for days if you have to. Be patient. Moving about the urban (Or even suburban) landscape is glacial. In my area, there are Bilco doors to get into basements. A lot of these aren’t locked. Camp out during the day, move at night. Stay quiet.

I could go on and on.. But urban survival, or exodus, is not covered in this article.


22 posted on 04/10/2012 8:08:45 PM PDT by Celerity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: driftdiver

I also wonder whether people who think they’re going to live by hunting might have a nasty shock in store when hunters from the cities realize there’s no tags and the only limit is what they can carry off. Literally millions would be heading out to where the game is, probably in organized foraging parties. Could current game populations withstand that kind of pressure for any length of time? That’s the bitch about being out in the country. What do you do when 500 armed hungries descend on your farm? (My guess is you die.)


23 posted on 04/10/2012 8:09:59 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: basil

Ping to read tomorrow.......


24 posted on 04/10/2012 8:10:17 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MtnClimber

You will have to worry about your immediate neighbors as much as roving gangs.


25 posted on 04/10/2012 8:12:00 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

My Sister-in-law was in Los Angeles during the Cuban Missile Crisis. She said people were grabbing things of the grocery shelves and trying to get out of town fast. Cars were overturned, no one paid any attention to stoplights. It was a mad house.

I remember the first power outage (1965)for NYC. Nothing happened. No looting. no crime.
12 years later under Jimmy Carter, during that power outage there was massive looting.

Same for the last power outage there. Massive looting.

So what happened since 1965?


26 posted on 04/10/2012 8:12:03 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer
You can survive in a city as well as anywhere if you use your wits, but it depends partly on the nature of the disaster. The one thing a person can count on is that whatever happens it will happen in ways unexpected. I believe a good small town is the ideal disaster survival environment, mutual defense and people to trade with.
27 posted on 04/10/2012 9:09:09 PM PDT by dog breath
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer
I don't begrudge preppers, but I am curious as to why so many actually think something is going to happen. My personal theory is that humans are creatures designed to overcome incredible difficulties, and our modern lives have virtually no difficulty, so most people sit around wondering about some imagined horror story. The U.S. has been incredibly stable for over 200 years and all of the West has been mostly stable with the exception of a few wars. I don't see the historical precedent for the prepping mindset.

I'm not saying don't prep at all. Of course, natural disasters and the like happen. In addition if you are in regular fear of urban rats you probably live in the wrong place regardless of exremental fans and whatnot. Having a few days or even weeks supply of essentials is reasonable but these people who live their lives preparing for doomsday seem to be missing the point of living, but to each his own.

28 posted on 04/10/2012 9:47:36 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

Most folks better plan on holding up in your home.

“bugging out” is a tough proposition.
If you think you’re going to drive out, you better have a big head start, and a clear destination.

If you think you’re going to backpack out, you better get an idea of how far you can carry 50 lbs. and where you thing you might make camp.

Ya, don’t talk to me about being stuck in a downtown metro area.
Get out early, because only the most aggressive “animals” will survive 30 days.


29 posted on 04/10/2012 9:50:00 PM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: douginthearmy

When Burger King closes and the entitlement class can’t get lunch, they’ll be coming to your house for dinner.
In case you haven’t noticed, the POTUS is trying his hardest to collapse the economy and start a race war. When that happens you will need weaponry to defend your home or you will lose it, quite possibly along with your life.


30 posted on 04/10/2012 10:00:39 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: douginthearmy

For many different reasons. Whatever you realistically believe is a potential threat/disaster that could occur you will have to deal with. A lot of people are boy scouts when it comes to life.

Right now this country is very polarized, and more so on purpose by the Kenya-resident. It is Makers vs Takers simply put. The taking is increasing and they are to the point they demand it and expect it and believe they are morally entitled to it. The other side is greedy, they are not. What’s theirs has been taken/kept from them.

At the same time government continues to be a bigger brother everyday and the constitution is an obstacle and a joke to these people. Both sides have totally opposite ideas of governing the country and there is no middle ground on most of the issues.

We have a 16.5 trillion dollar national debt that’s increased 45% the last 3 1/2 years. The country is slated to go down the tubes.


31 posted on 04/10/2012 10:08:27 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: G Larry

I keep telling people just driving somewhere is not going to be as easy as they think.

They will be ambushed on the roads. Country folks and small town people aren’t going to let strangers in to their areas to create havoc or form a bunch of tent cities that will start begging locals for supplies.

They will be ambushed on roads, there will be roadblocks and checkpoints, and there is a chance that they will need YOUR supplies and vehicle and relieve you of them.

It’s not a panacea that way either. bullets go through typical car doors and windows real easy.


32 posted on 04/10/2012 10:12:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: TsonicTsunami08

Half are too stupid to know where to go. They will go down to city hall and tear those people apart, if they don’t get mowed down.

They will do what they always do, take each other out. It won’t change all of a sudden that they will stop attacking each other, if anything they will escalate attacking each other.


33 posted on 04/10/2012 10:15:43 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: douginthearmy
Having a few days or even weeks supply of essentials is reasonable but these people who live their lives preparing for doomsday seem to be missing the point of living, but to each his own.

It has been my experience that when someone's view of another makes them look more like a cartoon character than a live, flesh and blood person, their view probably IS of a cartoon character.

As goofy as it sounds, you would be amazed at the number of secular people who really believe all those folks go to church every Sunday in the hope of sitting on a cloud, plucking a harp after they die.

34 posted on 04/10/2012 11:16:19 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

Seems to me that the key is to GOOD BEFORE TSHTF. Leaving too soon may incur needless cost and inconvenience. Leave too late and you will be trapped. The proper time to bug out is hard to gauge, so I’m looking for warning signs. However, that only works for things like financial collapse, pandemics or civil unrest. Natural disasters may be predictable (hurricanes, snow storms, etc.) while others may not (tsunami, EMP, etc.) Terrorist attacks will come without warning. All we can do is hope that we get SOME warning.

Saw a statistic on “Doomsday preppers” last night that said that 75% of Americans think they could evacuate their homes in less than an hour. I think that is too optomistic. If you are leaving with the clothes on your back, a bugout bag, a pistol, a rifle and/or a shotgun plus ammo - maybe. Proper loading to include food and water, first aid and tools is going to take longer.


35 posted on 04/11/2012 2:09:18 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NTHockey

Most people could evacuate in less than an hour. However they wouldn’t have many supplies and probably a half tank of gas.

Unless there is a cat 5 hurricane or an invasion I’m staying in my house.


36 posted on 04/11/2012 4:03:03 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: G Larry; Kartographer; All

I posted this here a while back on the same theme.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2843624/posts

Some good comments on bugging in and hiding in the thread.


37 posted on 04/11/2012 5:37:41 AM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: douginthearmy

Why prep for one reason it’s much easier explaining why I prep than explaining to my children and loved ones why I didn’t.

Secondly in those two hundred years name a time that we had a government that was so hostile to such a large potion of it’s population? The only time I can think of was during the Civil War and I can’t imagine that you could find very many Southerners from that time who didn’t wish they had been able to put back something for what was coming.

One last thing it’s only been in the last fifty years or so that prep wasn’t seen as the ‘norm’. I remember my Grandmother’s pantry and root cellar and my Grandfather’s garden. We now live in a time where there is only three days worth of food readily available at our local outlets. That means if something happens and the trucks don’t roll there well be a lot of hungry people.

You might like to read:

Just In Time: When the Trucks Stop, America Will Stop

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2867265/posts

Lastly something to think about:

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”


38 posted on 04/11/2012 7:01:26 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

Something interesting just came to me the other day. Every Spring I do my ammo reloading. The boxes I use are 50 rounds. The cost to me is less than $20 per 50 round box. The retail cost is between $50 and $75 per 50 round box, depending on sales, etc. Imagine during SHTF what the cost per box might become after supplies, especially ammo, cease.

This dovetails with the city issue in that cities will no doubt experience supply issues right off the bat. If something like ammo can go from $50 a box to perhaps many times that due to being in short supply, imagine what all kind of things might cost once the supply chain is a trickle. Cities will be hit the worst as they simply try to feed themselves much less supply non life giving items like food.


39 posted on 04/11/2012 8:17:56 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CodeToad

“non life giving items like food.”

Should be, “non life giving items other than food.”


40 posted on 04/11/2012 8:22:07 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: douginthearmy; Kartographer
I don't begrudge preppers, but I am curious as to why so many actually think something is going to happen.

I'll take you are referring to the ones on the more extreme end of the spectrum. There are many, many more like myself who are 'preppers' w/o the fortress in the woods preparing for more likely disasters and situations. If nothing else, Katrina showed that people are not as robust anymore in urban areas. At least my supplies will give me some buffer should things start down hill and my situational awareness allow me and my family to get out of harms way when the entitlement mob runs out of things to burn downtown and moves to the suburbs.

41 posted on 04/11/2012 8:22:46 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: BobL
Actually, the cops have families, and they may not even wait until one of their own gets shot.

I have spoken to many of the local constabulary and to a man...this is what they say they will happen in extreme circumstances such as we are prepping for.

42 posted on 04/11/2012 11:38:30 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

Being in a city can be nice when things go wrong. Infrastructure tends to have more redundancy in densely populated areas. When we had a big freeze a couple of years ago that caused the gas company to turn off a few neighborhoods there’s tons of stores to buy electric heaters in. A couple of years before that my neighborhood had a long blackout (well long for us, 18 hours) but it was just 2 square miles or so that were effected, the 2 nearest grocery stores were fine, nearby restaurants were fine. The S doesn’t tend to HTF nearly as hard in cities.


43 posted on 04/11/2012 11:45:41 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer
I'm 4 miles from the edge of the nearest city. I'm 150 miles (further if I avoid urban areas) from home and 100 acres of family property in the woods (and few people). I have to go through two small ghetto cities on the interstate to get there. Luckily I know almost every back road due to one of my previous jobs so I can avoid those two ghettos which would be a complete mess.

If we get there, we'll be alright. It won't be easy, but we'll survive, not because of my guns, but because there will be 25 people or so there whom I can trust with my life. We won't be wolves, but we won't be prey either.

44 posted on 04/11/2012 12:04:18 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: driftdiver

True, but government is also going to find nobody home at my address if it gets to that point. They’ll have other things to worry about than some 30 something and his family trying to stay out of their way as much as I hope they stay out of mine.


45 posted on 04/11/2012 12:13:42 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: douginthearmy
Well, allow me to take these one at a time:
My personal theory is that humans are creatures designed to overcome incredible difficulties, and our modern lives have virtually no difficulty, so most people sit around wondering about some imagined horror story.

The vast majority are not prepping, they are letting American Idol be the focus of their lives. And most are deep in debt and can't fathom a life where they have to do without any electronic gadget, much less food.

The U.S. has been incredibly stable for over 200 years and all of the West has been mostly stable with the exception of a few wars. I don't see the historical precedent for the prepping mindset.

The Weimar Republic, Argentina? Germany was deep in post-war debt and kept the presses running to pay it off. Inflation took hold and it was pretty ugly for about a decade. Our debt is so huge that a one percent rise in the interest rate would ensure that we can't even make the minimum payment. Much less pay on the principal. Every 40 cents the government spends is borrowed. Seems like plenty of reason to worry about our financial future. It is exactly the thought that we are 'too big to fail' and that few living have seen hard times so they could never happen again that is the problem, IMO. It's a fantasy land and a ponzi scheme. They all bust eventually.

I'm not saying don't prep at all. Of course, natural disasters and the like happen. In addition if you are in regular fear of urban rats you probably live in the wrong place regardless of exremental fans and whatnot. Having a few days or even weeks supply of essentials is reasonable but these people who live their lives preparing for doomsday seem to be missing the point of living, but to each his own.

One can be prepared w/o making it the focus on one's life. I have stuff piled away and a retreat ready. If nothing happens, the retreat is a nice vacation home that we've been using for years anyway. The food will be usable. The guns and ammo as well. Nothing will go to waste and didn't cost all that much, other than the precious metals. But it is a good insurance policy, whether we have hyperinflation, a natural disaster, or total economic collapse.
46 posted on 04/11/2012 12:21:37 PM PDT by CottonBall
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: douginthearmy
I don't begrudge preppers, but I am curious as to why so many actually think something is going to happen

Because it has in the past, at least locally. I think part of the major problem is because modern society has had it so easy combined with suburbanization/urbanization. No electricity? Panic. Even 80 years ago, there was a much larger rural society.

Even in the stable US, there's been the 1930's depression, the Long Depression in the late 1800's, the Indian Wars, the Civil War and Bleeding Kansas before that, the frontier, occasional riots, and Hurricane Katrina (and massive looting in N.O.)

Why are we here in the US today? In a lot of cases, it's because of SHTF happening in the lands of the ancestors.

Do I expect doomsday? No. Do I expect trouble? At some point. My big concern for the cause. Energy.

47 posted on 04/11/2012 12:32:34 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: driftdiver
I can also see people in less populated areas being forced to relocate to management areas in some circumstances. Likewise I can see hoarders being searched and excess food confiscated regardless of where you are.

Over my dead body. Literally. See my tagline.

48 posted on 04/11/2012 1:11:39 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Trod Upon
What do you do when 500 armed hungries descend on your farm?

Start shooting.

(My guess is you die.)

Yup. But not the first to do so. Nor second or third or 20th.

49 posted on 04/11/2012 1:19:28 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer
Just In Time: When the Trucks Stop, America Will Stop

That is the most likely scenario in my view.

An economic collapse that will make diesel fuel, fuel oil, coal, etc. far too expensive or rare for any trucks or trains to roll, any electrical gas or coal fired electrical generating plants to run which also means no water or city controlled sewage disposal. The food supply chain is broken. The lights go out, the sewers back up and fresh water is no longer coming from the tap.

Think about how delicate the whole system is to survive a "burp" in the flow of essential fuels.

50 posted on 04/11/2012 1:32:34 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-53 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson