Skip to comments.WITNESS: ZIMMERMAN SHOT TRAYVON MARTIN IN SELF-DEFENSE
Posted on 03/25/2012 3:33:02 PM PDT by SaveOurRepublicFromTyranny
This news goes largely unreported, as race-hustling vultures, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, swoop onto the scene to exploit the tragic shooting for personal publicity and political gain, appointing themselves as judge and jury in the Trayvon Martin shooting case. President Obama is promoting a race war by inferring that Martin was practically his own son: "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon." He might as well as said, "When you kill Trayvon, you've killed my own son. If you support me, retaliate!"
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If obama had a son he would look like Michelle.
Y’all, write this one down, because this will be one of the sparks that lit the fuse of the 2nd Civil War. Maybe THE spark.
The pint is mute now. The msm and race hustlers have their marching orders. This is all part of obumbers re-election strategy. Hell, they even got santorum to buy into it. They think they can control anarchy, I hope it bytes them in the butt.
SANTORUM SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIS MOUTH SHUT
The crowd protesting this won’t care if it’s proven that it was self-defense. They’ll just declare it a cover up or some other sort of thing.
I imagine Santorum was manipulated or browbeat into saying what he did.
The only thing Zimmerman is guilty of is bad judgment. He made his call and he shouldn’t have left his truck. On the other hand, if he wanted to ask someone strange who they were and what they were doing there, he had the right to do so. Rude, but within his rights.
Trayvon, on the other hand, is guilty of being both violent and stupid. He was the last person that could have prevented his death and didn’t chose to do so. He didn’t have to attack Zimmerman and he could have backed off at any time without getting shot.
No HONEST jury, in an HONEST trial, will convict Zimmerman. Doesn’t mean he’ll get one, though.
And that won’t keep the justice system from bankrupting him.
This shooting has created entire scenarios for the left.
The kid died Feb 26th....A month ago !!!!!! When did we first hear about this??
Maybe I’m missing something, so I need an explanation. Prior to that, let me say that I have no doubts that the race-baiters will take full advantage of this situation. A neighborhood watch volunteer witnesses a 17 year old black male walking down the street, witnesses no crime but still calls 911. Neighborhood Watch volunteers are NEVER supposed to tail or confront suspects, under any circumstances. The 911 operator tells Zimmerman “we don’t need you to follow him”, but Zimmerman does anyway. At some point after following Martin, Zimmerman then exits the vehicle and confronts him (at least verbally, and it is possible a weapon was displayed, no one knows). This is the same Zimmerman who called 911 almost 50 times over the previous year, and that is relevant as it should give an idea of his mindstate. No one knows what happens next and it is quite possible Martin initiated the physical confrontation that the witness saw. Would anyone here (much less a high school kid) not be on edge and spooked after being followed in a vehicle and then approached by an unknown adult male? It is also quite possible that the weapon was not displayed until Zimmerman was scared for his life and getting hit. But make no mistake, Zimmerman saw no crime committed and went out looking for trouble by following this kid out of his driveway. It was a case of extreme stupidity and it also was a case of him profiling an innocent kid who had committed no crime. What a mess this is, and it’s a shame that someone ended up dead. It is also a shame that this will be used for political motives, as it already has.
The media have been shameful in their coverage of this. Had they simply reviewed the police reports and did the investigation before they leaped to conclusions a lot of the contraversy would’ve disappeared and Trayvon & Zimmerman would have been a local story that went no where.
Two things that stink about this whole thing is how the media purposefully tilted this story from the choice of dated pictures of Trayvon to make him look like an innocent baby faced boy that no one in their right mind would suspect while choosing to post a picture of Zimmerman that made him appear as if were a dullard thug. The second thing is trying to suggest he called the boy a ‘coon’. Listen to the original unenhanced or doctored version and it sounds like he said punks not coons but if you listen to the version with the highs and lows normed it makes it sound like he said coons. This is really crazy.
Listen to this and then go find some other enhanced versions. Its as if they purposely stretched and altered the waveform to soften the P to and to make the un take on a more long ‘oo’ sound. The original has no long ‘oo’ and the ‘P’ sound is clear.
“SANTORUM SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIS MOUTH SHUT”
If only we had a candidate with the qualities of intelligence,knowledge of history, government, economics, and people that Gov. Palin embodies, . . . ...,
plus her common sense and executive experience.
It’s being reported on the ajc.com (Atlanta Journal-Constitution) website that the feds are now investigating this as a hate crime. Sorry, don’t know how to post the article.
“At some point after following Martin, Zimmerman then exits the vehicle and confronts him (at least verbally, and it is possible a weapon was displayed, no one knows). This is the same Zimmerman who called 911 almost 50 times over the previous year”
I read that Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle when the final confrontation started. Where did you find that Zimmerman confronted Martin face to face? I haven’t seen ANY reports of that happening.
Also, I thought the 911 calls were 50 over 6 years...
He did not call 911 50 times in one year. I don’t know where you are getting that misinformation.
I think he meant if Martin backed off he would not have got shot.
The 911 calls were over the course of a year from what I read, although who knows with the way this case is being handled and manipulated. If Zimmerman was tailing Martin in the vehicle, he had to exit at some point to confront him (degree or method, showing sidearm or not, no one knows). Zimmerman claimed he was returning to his vehicle when attacked and it is his word versus a dead kid’s, so who knows. Irregardless, he had no proof this kid committed a crime and followed and approached him anyway, all of this could have been avoided by simply doing what both the 911 operator and Neighborhood Watch suggest which is report only. He went looking for trouble.
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Matin did back off, as we can hear in the 911 call he actually runs away, Zimmerman follows him (Zimmerman admits this in the 911 call as well). Then when Martin tries to defend himself from the stalker he gets shot.
Maybe you could start by reading through some of the threads posted on FreeRepublic over the past couple of days. If you look at what people have already documented, I'm pretty sure you'll find that you're mistaken on many of your contentions.
I had read in more then one place that it was in a year, who knows the way this is being handled. Bottom line is the kid was doing nothing wrong, Zimmerman witnessed no crime and was basing all of this on the fact that he was a young black male (in a largely minority community to bgin with. It was dumb and judgmental to call 911 to begin with, it was idiocy to then follow and confront this kid. Neighborhood Watch rejects hat line of vigilant behavior and the 911 operator told him they didn’t need him to follow. He was out of line.
“43. Jan. 29, 2012 5:38 p.m.
Report: Children running and playing in the street”
Thankfully we have fine upstanding citizens like Zimmerman keeping an eye of this sort of thing.
Zimmerman didn’t confront Martin.
The transcript of the phone call shows:
Zimmerman is giving a description of Martin to dispatch. Martin sees Zimmerman and runs. Zimmerman exits the truck to pursue. He tells dispatch he’s lost Martin (which I’ve heard is confirmed by Martin who tells his girlfriend he’s lost Zimmerman).
How does Zimmerman confront Martin when he doesn’t know where Martin is?
Actually I have, which is why I chose to comment. Zimmerman was in the wrong in calling 911 (he witnessed no crime), and it was pure idiocy tailing the kid and then confronting him.
Did Zimmerman leave the vehicle and pursue the kid, against the 911 operator and Neighborhood Watch’s recommendation? He had no business doing that. Besides that, what crime did the kid commit? Zimmerman profiled him, the kid ran (which he has every right to do), and Zimmerman pursued him. He is not the police.
The problem for the police is that under FL's Stand Your Ground law, they would have the burden of proof of showing Zimmerman's actions were NOT self defense.
The media is going out of their way to fan the flames by showing photos of Martin from when he seems to be about 13, rather than more recent photos like this one:
I don't think much has been documented, that's why I think you have people divided 50/50 on this.
The black community has demanded there be an investigation on this shooting. It seems without those demands there probably would not have been a further investigation. I think a further investigation is good thing BUT if this shooting is deemed justified I don't think the black community will take a "not guilty" verdict well.
That is a problem
All that being said. What are your predictions on this case?
Dispatches suggestion that Zimmmerman not pursue is not legally binding. As a free citizen he is entitled to walk or run wherever the hell he feels like (if I’m walking down the sidewalk behind you can you turn around and assault me because you felt threatened?). Moreover, as part of the Neighborhood Watch it is certainly within his duties to watch the neighborhood.
He could also be saying, “f..ing cooz” (pussy)
Its not a question of whether the 911 call is legally binding. Neighborhood Watch tells its volunteers to report only, not approach or pursue (which is also not legally binding). The question is if you’re a 17 year old kid minding your own business walking down the street and a grown man is making (baseless) accusations and then chases after you, do you feel on edge and threatened? Again, Zimmerman initiated the entire episode by trying to act in some hero capacity. The man made all of these rash judgments based on the fact that the kid was black walking down the street, there was no crime witnessed.
Granted, the media’s handling of this is horrible. I will say this though. If I saw that kid walking down the street, it wouldn’t scare me as much as a grown man chasing after me on the same street. He is a kid who committed no crime.
Then why don't you know that he didn't call 911 that night but rather called the police department number? As was the case with most of the 40 or so calls he made over multiple years. On one of the calls (about an open garage door) he says that the police told them in the neighborhood watch program training to call in if they saw anything suspicious.
With him being a neighborhood watch volunteer for a few years, I'm sure he was in the habit of seeing what people he saw around in that gated community, so he would know who might be out of place. In light of some recent crimes in the neighborhood, I guess this night he considered a six foot tall, young black male that he had never seen before walking through the neighborhood suspicious enough to warrant calling it in.
If Zimmmerman gets off, there will be riots. Just like in the trial of Rodney King.
“As a free citizen he is entitled to walk or run wherever the hell he feels like”
and so is Martin
“(if Im walking down the sidewalk behind you can you turn around and assault me because you felt threatened?)”
if you follow me in a car, then get out and continue following me on foot then i think feeling threatened is entirely natural.
Bring it on, it’s going to happen sooner or later, if not for this, it will be for something else.
Your double secret witness JOHN said he’d help ~ so help was on the way. No more need to shoot anybody.
Wearing a hoodie indoors, yeah that makes a lot of sense. /s
My small town, tight knit neighborhood doesn't have an organized watch. Everyone watches, though. It is called "good citizenship".
Believe me... we know who "belongs" in our neighborhood, and it has nothing to do with race because we have white and black families living here. Anyone who does not belong here will be watched as they pass through. Anyone who does not belong here will be asked what their business is here if they loiter. If they have a problem with that, THEY need to dial 911.
Strange. We don't have any crime in my neighborhood.
Zimmerman said Martin looked straight at him. It’s in the 911 call.
Okay, so let’s say he had a reason to call 911 as he was being safe. I would say that based on the fact that he was innocent, Martin had a reason to be on edge having accusations thrown his way. Can you name one good and solid reason for Zimmerman to chase after him? That, more then any other fact in this case, is what turned this into a tragedy. It likely caused Martin to feel like he was in danger, if he sits in his car or goes inside, none of this happens. Zimmerman witnessed no crime being committed, I could feel empathetic if he watched the kid hop out of someone’s window.
The transcripts of the calls to the police department are documentation as well as anything else made public by the police. My aggravation is when people completely ignore the documentation that actually IS out there and think they can just make up their own facts.
All that being said. What are your predictions on this case?
I think the authorities will come to the same conclusion they did the night of the shooting. I'm not aware of any actual evidence that runs counter to what they had at that time.
Zimmerman reported to dispatch that Martin was behaving suspiciously (read the transcript).
While I would have remained in the vehicle, Zimmerman chose not too. He was perfectly within his rights.
Initiated the entire episode? It’s a chain of events. Each individual step in the chain can alter culpability. Is the salesman of a hammer legally culpable if the person who bought it bashes someone on the head with it? Afterall, he started the entire episode. Remedial logic. Look into it.
If indeed Zimmerman lost Martin (as the transcript of the phone call shows, and is backed up by Martin telling his girlfriend that he’s lost Zimmerman) then how does Zimmerman initiate violence?
It seems very likely that Martin did assault Martin on his way back to his truck (which of course negates your claim that Martin felt threatened).
Finally, the burden of proof would not be on Zimmerman to prove his version of events. Rather, it would be on people like you to prove his guilt.
Game, set, match.
Get back to me when you have proof Zimmerman initiated any violence.
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