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Did Santorum beat Gingrich in Mississippi due to Democrat Prank Voting? Alabama?
GULAG BOUND ^ | March 14, 2012 | Arlen Williams

Posted on 03/14/2012 1:01:28 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP

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To: DannyTN
If Santorum were elected he'd spend his time blaming Barry and doing nothing.

He's Vichy Republican and could care less if things turn around economically just as long as he gets the sort of concessions he wants on a few pet things he'll be more than happy. That's been the Vichy approach for sixty years and it's why, with the exception of when Newt called the plays, the Republicans have been the minority in Congress. They get in on the graft, they get the benefits of power, and they don't have to be responsible for anything.

If Lawyer Ricky or Bishop Romney are nominated you can count on four more years of all the Barry Soetoro regulations and executive orders digging in and doing more damage along with getting harder to get rid of. His voting record proves he's just another Vichy Republican that goes along to get along and won't stand in the way of anything unions and fascists want. He talks the talk now, but he didn't walk the walk when he was in office.

If a Republican is elected they'll start counting unemployment the way they did until 1994 and before the Republican is even sworn in the media will be screaming about 25% unemployment even though not a thing will have changed. Or, did you forget the "worst economy since the depression" BS Clinton and Perot cooperated on when Bush '41 was running? The fascists can't wait for a chance to play that game again and setup the Republicans to be blamed for "the depression" for another sixty years while they consolidate their power into a true one party system.

Newt is the only one with the knowledge and skill to beat that scam and the only one with a plan the will work.

51 posted on 03/14/2012 1:31:28 PM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
So,, now we can say.

Rick lost those 2 states.

52 posted on 03/14/2012 1:31:42 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: annieokie; PSYCHO-FREEP; onyx; hoosiermama; RitaOK; CWW; JediJones

I just heard something on Hannity that is rather intriguing and don’t know if this has been discussed on FR. Hannity says that there is activity behind the scenes to get a Third Party on the ticket in all fifty states.

I wondered if Trump was still angling in case Romney didn’t make it. Has there been any speculation on this that you’ve heard?


53 posted on 03/14/2012 1:33:25 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: Retired Greyhound

What ever you say, pay no attention to the outcome of the election in the coming weeks. It will be what every you say it is......


54 posted on 03/14/2012 1:34:38 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: malos

I think the Democrats are most concerned with getting Obama re-elected. Even if they see Romney as liberal, they’d still rather have Obama who is beyond liberal—out in the far left of the Democratic Party. In Michigan they tried to make Santorum the winner because they think Obama would be sure to beat him. It wouldn’t be at all surprising if they did the same in Ohio, Alabama, and Mississippi.


55 posted on 03/14/2012 1:37:20 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: conservativejoy
I have not heard anything. Keep us posted.

At a stop off, a small number of Newt supporters talked to him.

He said that he was going to fight at the convention. He wants to bust the rhinos control up to get back to conservatism like Reagan worked so hard to do.

56 posted on 03/14/2012 1:37:53 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Christie at the beach

Look at the smiles on the faces of the “news” media and Democrat strategists last night. They were ecstatic about Santorum winning. Santorum motivates the left’s base many of whom were dissatisfied with Obama, and unlikely to vote in the fall.


57 posted on 03/14/2012 1:39:29 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

First, we need a method to discern among the following:

Dem pranker voters,
Dead voteres,
Illegal Immigrant voters,
Fake voters,
Registered Republican voters.


58 posted on 03/14/2012 1:39:50 PM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: pgkdan

If I were a genious I would have known. I do know there are unions in the south. I worked at an amuminum mill in the South and had to contend with a tough Steel Workers Union.


59 posted on 03/14/2012 1:39:59 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: dforest
No. People aren’t crazy for Newt. That simple.

And 2/3rds of the voters voted against Santorum.

60 posted on 03/14/2012 1:41:13 PM PDT by the jogger
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To: Christie at the beach

[So,, now we can say.
Rick lost those 2 states.]

The outcome is clear, and the Democrats are rolling on the floor laughing. They have helped turn this election on it’s face.

And the GOP enabled crossover voting. So there you have the culprit.


61 posted on 03/14/2012 1:41:33 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: RightLady

just had a reply saying they aren’t unionized.


62 posted on 03/14/2012 1:41:45 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

YES!!!!!!!!!!!! I already said as much earlier today. Dems want Santorum, open primaries suck and it allows the Dems to help elect a candidate that will never beat theirs. Rick Santorum will get NONE of the independent vote and without some of it, say hello to Obongo for 4 more years.


63 posted on 03/14/2012 1:41:57 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Rashputin

Actually Santorum has a better economic plan than Gingrich.

Gingrich’s blind adherence to free trade regardless of whether the trading partner had anything to offer except excess labor, or whether the trading partner was an enemy, or even played by the same rules, is part of the economic mess we are in now.

Even Reagan who advocated free trade didn’t do it blindly. Reagan used tariffs to bring trading partners to the table and convince them to manufacture here.

Santorum at least understands the role of tariffs, and why the founding fathers relied so heavily on them.


64 posted on 03/14/2012 1:42:46 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

So what PF? A win is a win.

So sorry to hear about your loss yesterday. You must be having a really bad day, just like Mittens.


65 posted on 03/14/2012 1:43:37 PM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: dforest

Newt could win!!!!!!

If it weren’t for all the cross over Dems voting

and the Ron Paul negative ads

and the Romney negative ads

and the no-audience debate

and that other FL debate screw-up was just a fluke created by the MSM to flub him up

and Santorum giving him a scathing glare

and women not really caring for him

and that trainload of baggage.

Other than that, Newt’s gonna win against Obama ... if he could just win a few primaries and at least one or two of the other guys drop out.

Yeap. Newt’s the guy.

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66 posted on 03/14/2012 1:44:12 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Christie at the beach

I don’t understand the theory behind having Republican Primaries open to Democrats. If someone would explain why, I will listen attentively.


67 posted on 03/14/2012 1:44:20 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I don’t think it much matters, unless there’s irrefutable evidence of voter fraud. There wasn’t anything illegal about “Operation Chaos”, and there wouldn’t be anything illegal about Dims voting in our open primaries. The result is what it is, and we go forward from here.

Actually, if these shenanigans continue to any significant extent, it would assist in the conservative goal of blocking Romney from becoming the nominee. If anyone’s being “punk’d”, it’s Romney, and I have no argument with that.


68 posted on 03/14/2012 1:45:32 PM PDT by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Why do they allow dems to vote in REpubbies primaries and vica verca?? It always skew the real outcome!!


69 posted on 03/14/2012 1:46:26 PM PDT by Fawn (Anyone but OBOZO!!!!)
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To: elpadre
"I don’t understand the theory behind having Republican Primaries open to Democrats. If someone would explain why, I will listen attentively."

The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.

70 posted on 03/14/2012 1:46:35 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Mountain Mary

Beside the fact that you are flame bating me, I am actually neutral. Newt is out of it. That is plain to see. But there are all sorts of options left, that can still happen.

Wait and see what the outcome will be. There are still many states left to decide this and as we have all seen, most anything can happen.


71 posted on 03/14/2012 1:48:33 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: elpadre

A little education is a dangerous thing as evidenced by some of the posters here...
http://www.unions.org/union_search.php?&abbr=&abbr_key=&bizcat=0&zip=birmingham,%20al&local=&zip_key=

Birmingham has a union for just about anything you want.


72 posted on 03/14/2012 1:48:37 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romney - Santorum: Twin Sons of Different Mothers...)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Grab one of these Phyco.

73 posted on 03/14/2012 1:49:44 PM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: malos

Sorry, but you’re wrong. Libs will always vote in an open primary for whoever they think is the weakest kink against their messiah.


74 posted on 03/14/2012 1:50:55 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Christie at the beach

We now know that the Dems did it again in our primaries yesterday. They voted for Santorum just as they did in Ohio and Michigan. It might help for that to be part of the discussion going into the convention.


75 posted on 03/14/2012 1:51:01 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
CBS shows currently shows all AL precincts in and all but one in in MS. Using their numbers:

Rick's margin over Newt in AL: 32,348
Rick's margin over Newt in MS: 4,572

Newt's margin over Mitt in AL: 1,947
Newt's margin over Mitt in MS: 1,694

Newt's margin over Mitt in both: 3,641

Be careful of accusing Santorum of winning narrowly. Newt held second in both states much more narrowly (0.3% and 0.6% respectively). His combined margin over Mitt was smaller than Rick's margin over Newt in the closer state. If Mitt had bought 4k more votes Newt would have a pair of third places in his back yard to explain away.

76 posted on 03/14/2012 1:51:22 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: DannyTN

Good points, all.


77 posted on 03/14/2012 1:51:31 PM PDT by Lexinom (Mitt < 1,144)
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To: Rashputin
If Lawyer Ricky or Bishop Romney are nominated you can count on four more years of all the Barry Soetoro regulations and executive orders digging in and doing more damage along with getting harder to get rid of.

Exactly. First of all, it's unlikely that either of them would beat Obama because their concept of America (mega-government, Euro-style welfare/nanny state on steroids) is exactly like his, and he'll be more popular than either of them (if only because there are more Dems than Republicans in the US).

But even if one of them did, neither one of them has any plans to change the direction of things or shake up anything at all. Only Gingrich has plans like that, which is why the GOP Establishment hates him, because they know that they're one of the things that would get shaken up.

They're OK with Romney, and if it comes down to it, I think they'd be OK with Santorum, although they probably think he'd be less likely to win because of his preachiness and loud social conservatism.

Another poster said it all: in general, "conservative" American voters have moved to the center left and are pretty indistinguishable from anybody else, except that in some cases they favor social conservatism.

78 posted on 03/14/2012 1:51:31 PM PDT by livius
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
CBS shows currently shows all AL precincts in and all but one in in MS. Using their numbers:

Rick's margin over Newt in AL: 32,348
Rick's margin over Newt in MS: 4,572

Newt's margin over Mitt in AL: 1,947
Newt's margin over Mitt in MS: 1,694

Newt's margin over Mitt in both: 3,641

Be careful of accusing Santorum of winning narrowly. Newt held second in both states much more narrowly (0.3% and 0.6% respectively). His combined margin over Mitt was smaller than Rick's margin over Newt in the closer state. If Mitt had bought 4k more votes Newt would have a pair of third places in his back yard to explain away.

79 posted on 03/14/2012 1:51:31 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Why would Dems vote for a candidate who’s not even on the radar? When Rick’s sweep started, he was not a real possiblilty. Newt was far more of a threat to Romney back then than Santorum.

Need to put the tin foil hats up til next election guys. It’s getting old.


80 posted on 03/14/2012 1:52:06 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: All
Here's an example how much this is foo-barred.

Florida primary’s winner-take-all delegate situation, explained
By Aaron Blake, Published: January 31

There is a good bit of confusion about how Florida will award its delegates following today’s primary.

So, to clear things up, here’s where we stand:

A new Republican National Committee rule says that no state holding its presidential contest before April is allowed to award its delegates to the national convention on a winner-take-all basis, unless it is one of the four early carve-out states (Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada).

Many states see the winner-take-all as being preferable to a proportional format, because it provides for bigger swings in the delegate race and makes their states more important. Thus, the RNC created the new rule to make it less appealing for states to move their contests earlier in the year.

RNC Chairman Reince Priebus, left, and former RNC chairman Michael Steele debate during the party’s chairman’s race in 2010. (Alex Wong/Getty Images)

But here’s the catch: Florida is already in violation of RNC rules because it moved its primary into January. And the RNC, which has already docked Florida half of its delegates for moving its primary up, says it cannot punish a state twice.

Therefore, the states that are already in violation of RNC rules for setting their primaries too early (Florida, Arizona and Michigan) were allowed to go winner-take-all.

Arizona, whose primary will be held Feb. 28, is going with a pure winner-take-all format just like Florida. It will award 29 delegates to the statewide winner — less than Florida’s 50, but still significant. Michigan, which is also set for Feb. 28, has a more proportional system.

(For more on delegate allocation rules and everything else you need to know, check out The Post’s great delegate tracker.)

Now, it’s important to note that not everyone agrees with the RNC’s position in this matter. Some members of the RNC have suggested they may challenge Florida’s winner-take-all status at the party’s August convention in ... wait for it ... Florida! The Tampa Bay Times’s Adam C. Smith had a good take on this controversy recently.

This is why, when former RNC chairman Michael Steele said on MSNBC today that Florida was not a winner-take-all state, eyebrows were raised.

“Florida’s proportional,” said Steele, who opposes Florida’s winner-take-all status. “Florida violated the April 1st rule of the RNC, Rule 15, and their delegates, whatever number’s apportioned to them, will be proportional for the candidates.”

Alas, the RNC says it’s not true, and Florida remains winner-take-all, at least until this situation can be hammered out at the convention.

RNC spokesman Sean Spicer tweeted today that any concerns about Florida’s delegate allocation method would have to be taken up with the contest committee just prior to the August convention.

Of course, unless the nominee is unclear at that point — a remote possibility — this will be a rather moot point.

But given that the rules for the 2016 primary calendar will be on the docket, there could be handful of RNC members anxious to make an example of Florida and try to ward off such future power moves.

Indeed, at the end of the day, by moving its primary up and going winner-take-all, Florida has made itself into one of the most pivotal states in the presidential race. Even though it forfeited half its delegates, it is still more critical to the delegate race than basically any other state before April.

And that’s a pretty sweet reward for breaking the rules.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/floridas-winner-take-all-delegate-situation-explained/2012/01/31/gIQAXWhRfQ_blog.html

81 posted on 03/14/2012 1:56:10 PM PDT by McGruff (Newt Gingrich, the closest thing we've got to Sarah Palin.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
On Monday Rick was polling among Republicans at 21 & 22%...so you do the math.

The fix is in and has been from the get-go.

82 posted on 03/14/2012 1:56:17 PM PDT by houeto (Mitt Romney - A Whiter Shade of FAIL)
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To: GourmetDan

This was a double effort to knock out both Newt and Romney. Newt was a threat to the GOPE and the Democrats.

This is truly a potential disaster for all of us.


83 posted on 03/14/2012 1:57:16 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: conservativejoy; Christie at the beach

I heard Trump himself talk about this right after he endorsed Romney. I believe it was on Greta’s show. He was asked why he couldn’t definitively state that he wasn’t going to run as a third party now that he had endorsed Mitt. He said he wouldn’t run as a third party “if” the right person (Mitt) got the nomination. Otherwise, he might. Greta said, “But you can’t, you wouldn’t be on the ballot in any states!” Trump said he had already been approached by the “Americans Elect” party about running as their candidate, and that they were already on all the state ballots.

Personally, I don’t think there’s one chance in Hades that Trump would ever run under any circumstances for any party. He’s just a carnival barker, and a pretty good one, with no honest pretensions to be anything else.

I’ve read links on past FR threads showing that this “Americans Elect” party is funded by George Soros.


84 posted on 03/14/2012 1:57:49 PM PDT by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: NoGrayZone
Why on earth do we still have open primaries?

Seriously? Think about it for a sec.

Without open primaries we might actually have elections instead of selections.

The entire process is not only flawed but rigged!

85 posted on 03/14/2012 1:59:17 PM PDT by houeto (Mitt Romney - A Whiter Shade of FAIL)
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To: conservativejoy
Hannity says that there is activity behind the scenes to get a Third Party on the ticket in all fifty states.

Discussed here eon's ago, I think it is Axlerod's baby and Podesta over at one of Soro's &$I+hole organizations. If my memory is correct they have all 50 States and are just looking for a plug-in candidate just to suck enough EGOP-er's off the top to give to the Anointed One.

86 posted on 03/14/2012 1:59:47 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Kenny

The joke is on you, because this is really happening.


87 posted on 03/14/2012 2:00:46 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Big union money has even invested for the Santorum campaign. Pardon me for not having all the pertinent facts and I confess I don’t even have time to search for them all, today, to say nothing of presenting and formatting them, here. Can you help? Place further information into comments?

Hey, a truthful blogger -- "I don't have the facts, and I can't be bothered to find them, but I'm not going to let THAT stop me!!!!"

88 posted on 03/14/2012 2:04:48 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ScottinVA

So you don’t think that a union democrat and families, would take the time to cross party lines and vote for the weakest candidate? How about the state, federal employees, think they would? I am sure the public union people wouldnt be that organized either.......means nothing to them, just their gravy union jobs, free healthcare, wonderful sick leave and vacation time, fabulous retirement pensions. Get a grip folks, Obama has it in lockdown mode and it is going to be a supreme battle in November. A small part of me wants to see Santorum as the nominee, just to say what were people thinking.


89 posted on 03/14/2012 2:06:08 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: NoGrayZone
Why on earth do we still have open primaries?

These elections are handled under the various state laws, so it's not as though the RNC can declare that all primaries shall henceforth be closed to all but registered party members.

The better question is: Why do we still have open party primaries in states that now have Republican legislative majorities?

This is the sort of stuff that Michael Steele should've been working on, instead of traveling around the country doing book signings.

90 posted on 03/14/2012 2:07:20 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

More likely that Democrats voted for Romney, he’s almost a carbon copy of their messiah


91 posted on 03/14/2012 2:07:39 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Kenny

There was an organized effort by the Dems that began in Michigan to vote for Santorum. That has continued. It has hardly been a secret. In fact, it was published following Michigan that roughly 10% of Santorum’s vote there was Democrats crossing over. The Huffington Post was one of the big promoters in getting out the Democrat vote for Santorum.

Some of us are even smart enough to realize that those Democrats are not going to vote for Santorum in the general election, so we are not excited about the Democrats choosing a candidate they feel is our weakest to run against Obama.


92 posted on 03/14/2012 2:07:54 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Go to CNN. The facts from the exit polling is there. And you can scoff all day if it makes you feel good, but it is a forgone fact that the Democrats have tampered with our primary. Like it or not.


93 posted on 03/14/2012 2:09:16 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Rashputin

The cousin of my wife’s sister’s hairdresser was at a restaurant last night, and she overheard the waiter talking about how the chief cook’s mother was at Bingo and the woman sitting across from her said her daughter’s study group was thinking about voting for “the guy with the hair” in the primary for some state that begins with ‘A’, so she assumes it was Alabama, and Santorum must by the “hair” guy because he wears sweater vests.

So I’m convinced that, if not for this cross-over democrat vote, Gingrich would be doing at least 10% better, and would also be actively contesting all those places it looks like he’s ignoring.


94 posted on 03/14/2012 2:09:46 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I hope nobody believes this crap.

Poor Romney was robbed? Does anyone think the liberals went and voted for Rick, seriously?

Remember that its the liberal establishment that wants open primaries.


95 posted on 03/14/2012 2:09:55 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: conservativejoy

What I saw in Michigan were Democrat strategists (Joe DiSano), and liberal radio show hosts (Tony Trupiano) organizing Democrats to vote for Rick because they thought he’d be easier for Obama to beat. The local news interviewed Democrat after Democrat after voting that day. None were actual Santorum supporters. They were hardcore Obama supporters.


96 posted on 03/14/2012 2:10:21 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: GeronL
These were surveys taken from the Democrat voters themselves, after they voted. They voted for Santorum. There is no guessing going on here. Just like they did in Michigan.
97 posted on 03/14/2012 2:11:49 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
PSYCHO-FREEP: and the evidence proves it.

GULAG-BOUND: not having all the pertinent facts and I confess I don’t even have time to search for them

If memory serves me correctly, CNN’s John King last evening pointed out there according to their exit polling, about six to eight percent of Alabama voters called themselves Democrats. However, I did not find breakdown by party at the exit poll pages in cnn.com.

how many more just walked by them, refusing to be polled? If you were a prankster-voting in such a case, would you want to be examined by a pollster? Maybe some would. Maybe more would not.

Yep, the "evidence" "proves" "it". Mr Blogger remembers hearing something he can't find, has no time to look for, and which if true doesn't actually say what he claims. He simply speculates about it.

On the other hand, depending on what "it" is, maybe this posting DOES "prove it".

98 posted on 03/14/2012 2:16:29 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: GeronL
You need to get around more often. There is a Soros based movement (Daily Kos related) that are out to disrupt our primary, to ensure that Santorum gets the nomination. (It's a fact) Mainly because they see Santorum as the easiest to beat in November.

Now if it is true that Obama will beat Santorum, remains to be seen. But the polls show that there is some truth to that reality.

99 posted on 03/14/2012 2:16:39 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

You are thinking like me, my friend. Some of the Rick

supporters are in over their heads with admiration. They

are even excusing him for his lies and ignorong his voting record.


100 posted on 03/14/2012 2:17:41 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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