Posted on 01/07/2012 2:44:54 PM PST by blueyon
Need Freeper Imput.
I read that Romneys Dad was not born in America...........confirmed it in Wikipedia. Question, if Romney is elected to run as the GOP canidate, how is it any different then Obama's eligibility issue every one asks about?
Half the people here argued against the relevance of it for three years, that or ignored it. It was all the birth certificate, which I admit I got caught up in, but more to try and get rid of it as an issue. Where he was born is irrelevant. He could never have been a Natural Born Citizen, he was born a British subject.
Donofrio has a new post up! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2830073/posts?page=1
The polygamous Romney family fled to Mexico after the US outlawed polygamy. They clearly intended to settle in Mexico permanently. The 1910-1920 Mexican revolution took an anti-American turn and they fled to the US with young George. He was never naturalized. Apparently, George Romney claimed US citizenship because his parents had been born in the US.
What effect this has on George's children is debatable.
People continue to assert this, but I can find few facts to support it.
Rather, it is speculated that George Romney's non-citizenship was what drove him out of the Presidential race in 1968.
I have a blog post up covering as much as I know of this.
I have an open mind on the issue, but am curious concerning the truth.
If anyone can provide anything definitive regarding George Romney's American citizenship (rather than assertions) I would be pleased to include it in the post.
Fantasy? I have know all my life what a natural born Citizen is and has been since the inception of this country. It’s not a fantasy, it’s a fact.
I don’t think so: if BOTH Romney’s parents where American citizens, then Mitt is a natual born American citizen (regardless of where he was born).
It is a fact that if you are born on US soil then you are a natural born citizen. If that's what you mean, then yes. If you are claiming that you've always believed that the citizenship of the parents was a factor then either your memory is faulty, or you were misinformed to start with.
Well, I for one want to know CONCLUSIVELY if Mitt’s dad was or was not a citizen at the time of his birth. Because if he was NOT, then Mitt is NOT a Natural Born Citizen, any more than Obama is.
If true, that’s a HUGE deal for me.
Great points, you’ve changed my mind.
If Romney isn’t a natural born citizen, then he isn’t eligible for the office of POTUS and should not be running.
I agree 100%.
Romney should take this issue off the table NOW. Because WE KNOW NOW what to look for and why. We also KNOW Minor v. Happersett, and we know to DEMAND that the constitution be followed.
Romney should just have his people plant some honest information or links to it somewhere, so that this can be dealt with. because if it is NOT, then the question will grow.
http://www.flippertv.com/usnationality/
1855 Act of February 10, 1855. Section 1, 10 Stat. 604.
“All children heretofore born or hereafter born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, whose fathers were or may be at the time of their birth citizens thereof, are declared to be citizens of the United States; but the rights of citizenship shall not descend to children whose fathers never resided in the United States.”
1878 Section 1993, Revised Statutes of 1878. (Same general provisions as 1855 Act).
1907 Act of March 2, 1907, Section 6, 34 Stat. 1228, 1229.
“That all children born outside the limits of the United States who are citizens thereof in accordance with the provisions of section nineteen hundred and ninety-three of the Revised Statutes of the United States and who continue to reside outside the United States shall, in order to receive the protection of this Government, be required upon reaching the age of eighteen years to record at an American consulate their intention to become residents and remain citizens of the United States and shall be further required to take the oath of allegiance to the United States upon attaining their majority.”
...and alot of the birthers are people who can’t handle common sense and logic.
Well, there ya go!
Thanks!
We all know what a liar and dissembler Obama is. What Obama said was that the 1948 BNA “governed the children” of BHO Sr.
What the 1948 BNA actually says is that illegitimate children of UK subjects _are not_ British subjects at birth.
I believe that BHO Sr. was legally married by Kenyan tribal standards to Kezia, not a Muslim marriage, his marriage to Ann Dunham was bigamous and the INS was onto it...thus Barry was a bastard child of a US citizen and under US law did not have a legal father and received only the unitary US citizenship of his mother.
Whether this makes Barry NBC or not, lacking two US citizen parents, awaits a SCOTUS ruling. IMO the UK would not deem Barry a UK subject especially after seeing the INS files released just in time to get Barry off the hook by an Obot author.
That being the case, for me it certainly does matter where he was born because that is also in the Constitutional definition of NBC and his BC appears to be forged.
Danae’s got at least as much experience on this subject as I and well, She’s actually got way more.
Long story but, I’ll take her word, without the links.
Thought we settled that he was born a British Subject and then became Kenyan upon their Independence in 1963?
There are three types of legal citizenship recognized by our government:
native born - {jus solis} born in this country from parents subject to the jurisdiction of the United States;
derived citizenship - {jus sanguinis} born in a foreign nation of U.S. citizen parents (2}.
naturalized citizenship - foreign born person naturalizes as a U.S. citizen.
All three above are types of statutory U.S. citizenship and are eligible to serve in the U.S. Houses of Congress.
None of them, by itself, is eligible to serve as President of the United States, which requires a natural born citizen.
The only place in U.S. law that occurs is in Article II, clause 5, as an eligibility requirement for President of the U.S. (Note: natural born citizenship is not a type of statutory citizenship, only a requirement to be President.)
Minor v. Happersett provides the definition: a natural born citizen is born in the U.S.A. of citizen parents.
The problem with George Romney is simple: did his parents, who fled the United States before Utah became a state, register their son as a U.S. citizen born in Mexico with the U.S. Embassy.
See post # 61:
1907 Act of March 2, 1907, Section 6, 34 Stat. 1228, 1229.
“That all children born outside the limits of the United States who are citizens thereof in accordance with the provisions of section nineteen hundred and ninety-three of the Revised Statutes of the United States and who continue to reside outside the United States shall, in order to receive the protection of this Government, be required upon reaching the age of eighteen years to record at an American consulate their intention to become residents and remain citizens of the United States and shall be further required to take the oath of allegiance to the United States upon attaining their majority.”
Thank you, Seizethecarp, for your research abilities.
But was his Father a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN?
When George Romney's parents fled the United States with their children because of the federal government's opposition to polygamy they did not lose their American citizenship.
Gaskell Romney, George Romney's father, was born on September, 22 1871, in St. George, Washington, Utah. He's an American citizen by birth.
Anna Amelia Pratt Romney, George Romney's mother, was born on May 6, 1876, in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah. She's an American citizen by birth and marriage -- remember this is pre-19th Amendment, when a woman's citizenship was derived from her husband's.
Mitt Romney's parents were both American citizens when Mitt was born in Detroit, Michigan on March 12, 1947.
One thing that ther Mormons get right is genealogy.
Mitt Romney was born in the USA (jus solis) of American citizen parents (Jus sanguinis) and is eligible to serve as POTUS.
Belive me, if he wasn't, you'd read it here first.
His father is not running for president.
That is just soooooooo wrong.
Per Leo Donofrio, this indicates that the CRS memo generated by Jack Maskell was for justifying BO's tenure in office and wasn't honest legal scholarship about citizenship at all.
The 14th Amendment mentions the term natural born Citizen exactly zero times. Zilch, Nada, not once!
Take your obamite propaganda and shove it.
Don't mistake my opinion for being pro-Obama. If you do, you will be sadly mistaken. And don't be rude. I haven't deserved rudeness from you.
That is correct. Puposefully misleading, or lying to Congress, has serious consequences like prison time.
Jac Maskell better have a foreign bolt hole after Nov. 2012.
Actually the relevant text on NBC the law of nations, would differ with your take, as would the founding Fathers. The founders were worried about allegiance, thus the NBC wording in the constitution. They would have stated that any one with a father who was not a citizen at the time of their birth would not be an NBC, a citizen possibly but not a NBC.
At the time of the writing of the constitution citizenship flowed from the father. Location had no control on the issue. In fact there are only 14 countries that allow birthright citizenship, and all but the USA need to increase their population.
And as to the 14th amendment, it has not been applied as intended, and the authors would have told you that being here illegally and squirting out a child would not have conferred citizenship on that child. The specific reason for the 14th amendment was to force the democrats to recognize slaves as citizens.
How do you know George R was US citizen at time of Mitt’s bierth?
George was born in Mexico, subject to Mexican jurisdiction. Unless there was a US law that states that a child born to US citizen parents anywhere, even outside of USA, is a US citizen, George is a Mexican! In that case, he has to naturalize when brought back to USA to be a US citizen! If he was never naturalized prior to Mitt’s birth, Mitt is NOT a nbc!
An nbc is one born on US soil to 2 US citizen parentS
‘Mittens Dad was a Naturalized Citizen when Mittens was born’
Do you have evidence of Mitten’s dad’s naturalization record?
How do you know he was naturalized?
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd520.htm
Excerpts from Devvy Kidd’s ‘WILL THERE BE A CITIZENSHIP ELIGIBILITY CHALLENGE FOR ROMNEY?
....
‘it is absolutely clear that Mitt Romney is NOT a Natural Born Citizen unless he can prove that George Romney gained citizenship from naturalization prior to Mitt’s birth in 1947. I have found no records showing this to be the case.”
‘Mexican Constitution - Chapter II
Article 30. Mexican nationality is acquired by birth or by naturalization:
A. Mexicans by birth are:
I. Those born in the territory of the Republic, regardless of the nationality of their parents:
II. Those born in a foreign country of Mexican parents; of a Mexican father and a foreign mother; or of a Mexican mother and an unknown father;
Was that still his status when Mitt was born?
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So those who said so definitively that George R. was born a US citizen because he was born to US citizen parents, take note! His birth in Mexico determined his citizenship at birth, i.e he was born a Mexican! Did he ever naturalize in USA?
‘What the 1948 BNA actually says is that illegitimate children of UK subjects _are not_ British subjects at birth’
NOT TRUE!
Even if it is true - soetoro/obama has declared that BHO sr was his father. No one ever contested that soetoro/obama was the illegitimate child of BHO sr - his very own bc(s) list BHO sr as his father! BHO sr’s citizenship was governed by the 1948 BNA, so are his children (BHO jr is one of his children according to the online bc(s)!
• See Kenya Marriage Act of 1902 paragraph #49:
49. Whoever contracts a marriage under this Act, being at the time married in accordance with native law or custom or in accordance with Mohammedan law to any person other than the person with whom such marriage is contracted, shall be guilty of an offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
kenyalaw.org/family/statutes/...?file=The+marriage+act.pdf
• BNA of 1948 Legitimation of persons born out of wedlock:
23.—(1) A person born out of wedlock and legitimated by the subsequent marriage of his parents shall, as from the date of the marriage or of the commencement of this Act, whichever is later, be treated, for the purpose of determining whether he is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies, or was a British subject immediately before the commencement of this Act, as if he had been born legitimate.
(2) A person shall be deemed for the purposes of this section to have been legitimated by the subsequent marriage of his parents if by the law of the place in which his father was domiciled at the time of the marriage the marriage operated immediately or subsequently to legitimate him, and not otherwise.
http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm
“(2) Subject to the provisions of section twenty-three of this Act, any reference in this Act to a child shall be construed as a reference to a legitimate child; and the expressions “father”, “ancestor” and “descended” shall be construed accordingly.”
http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm
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