Posted on 05/19/2011 6:28:25 PM PDT by Red Steel
My advice is don't worry about it. If you want to see real attacks, look up my smokey back room thread from 2008 where I attacked Former Freeper Polarik. There are loads of trolls and useful idiots (like myself sometimes) on all issues here. If we start to take everything personally, we will make it easier for the opposition to divide and conquer.
“Sure, the AP one was a scan of a printer copy.”—Redsteel.
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(Just woke up.)
Looks like you got you explanation. Hilarious. Hope you didn’t wait too long, Jeffrey.
Most of your response was wrapped up by calling us crazy with your own incredulity, stamped and certified by your 30 years data entry. (OMG I said data entry, I hope this didn’t expose your identity/ sarc.)
Saying you have 30 years of “working with computer technology” is going to convince no one.(I can make the claim I have 15 years myself.) Asking you to elaborate— you feel you might be “exposed” if you go too far in requested explanation of qualifications is a freaking JOKE of an excuse.
Something fishy about that. Do you know of any State Registrar office in the United States that is open on a Sunday ? Aug 6, 1961 occurred on a Sunday, so how could it be filed ? August 6 was the date the certificate was filed with by the registrar (as it says on the form - not with the registrar.)
woofie in post 94 wrote:
“How can a layman evaluate what is true vs false in the technical realm ?....In my mind it all depends on who you trust. If I know nothing technical how do I trust anyone?”
That’s what I’ve been thinking also. Then I came across the following. I trust Mara Zebest....
Photoshop Expert And Author Mara Zebest Declares That Obama’s Latest Hawaiian Birth Certificate Is A Complete Phony...
“It’s absolutely a fake!” declares Mara Zebest, author of several books on how to use computers and alter documents.” In fact, Zebeth has co-authored no less than 17 books on the subject of advanced computer graphics, at least one of which sit on the shelves of virtually every advanced photoshop user in every English-speaking country.”
This is not just “a professional” earning a salary, somewhere - Zebeth is professionally respected by everyone in the business, even those who learned the program from the very beginning, long before she began writing, yours truly included. Her credibility is beyond any question.
“There’s all this evidence showing the document was build from different sources.”
“On several sites an online treatise by Zebeth is quoted as saying, “This is so maddening to listen to the media on this recent revelation… it’s such an obvious fake.... Lastly, look at the attached 1961 sample image found on the Internet of a legitimate 1961 Hawaii Birth Certificate (which someone posted to show what a real certificate would look like from that year in Hawaii)… look at the marks on this Internet version and you can see this was the template for Obama’s BC handiwork. The handwriting is exactly the same between posted Internet image and Obama’s fake version — the placement of boxes and marks are in the exact same position, dates are where the modified clipping masks occur to adjust dates to fit for Obama, but the handwriting of dates match (except for the clipping mask changes). Even the Cert. number is only off by the last two digits (which…you guessed it… happens to be a clipping mask layer).”
This particular graphics expert and special effects supervisor/consultant writing this article concurs. As do thousands of others. In seeming solidarity with this writer/graphics professional, she says something in The Globe about the forgery that I have said from the outset on this site, others have also, and still believe: “There is an element of amateurishness about it”. Indeed.
If you want to get some small sense of Zebeth’s degree of technical complexity, while the following is not earth-shattering as an example, and is designed for the beginner/moderate user, it certainly tops out at many. many times above what would be required to make the obvious fake put out by the White House, which she, me and so many others document categorically in our professional opinions as an unquestionable forgery....
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/05/photoshop-expert-and-author-mara-zebest.html
filed with by the = filed by the
1. Am I to believe that the President of the United of States of America was so careless that he lost his original long form birth certificate, a very valuable document in most families, and that is why he had to order a new one in April 2011? I'm sorry but I find that hard to believe.
2. And if Obama lost his long form birth certificate, when did he lose it?
3. June 2007: If Obama lost it, it must have been in 2007 or earlier, because that is the year stamped on the back of Obama's short form certificate that we see on the FactCheck site. The 2007 date on the back of the certificate means that then Senator Obama ordered a new birth certificate in 2007.
4. Just wondering: Why didn't then Senator Obama order another long form birth certificate back in 2007 instead of ordering a short form, because we now know that a person had a choice of ordering either a short form or long form birth certificate back in 2007.
5. Think about this: An official at the Hawaii Health Department gets a phone call or a letter from then Senator Obama requesting a copy of his birth certificate. I would think that the official would go out of his way to check with then Senator Obama if he wanted a short form or a long form. If I had been Senator Obama and I had lost my long form, I would try to get another long form to replace the one I lost. For instance, as a newly elected United States Senator, I might be asked later by some agency or some reporter to see my long form birth certificate, so I would play it safe and I would make sure that I ordered a long form instead of a short form birth certificate. But that is just me.
6. How did then Senator Obama order his birth certificate back in 2007? If he ordered by letter, then I wonder if such a letter is still on file. If it was by letter, I bet the clerks at the Hawaii Health Department were excited to receive such a unique and even historical request for a birth certificate from native son and newly elected Senator Obama.
7. Or maybe Senator Obama simply called Hawaii officials and requested a copy. Still, I bet the clerk who made the copy must have been all excited to make a copy for then Senator Obama from Illinois. I bet the word spread throughout the Hawaii Health Department like wild fire that Senator Obama has requested a copy of his birth certificate. I wonder who the clerk was who made the copy. Of course, if Obama made his request in secret, I would wonder why.
8. I wonder how long it was from the time that Obama realized that he had lost his long form birth certificate until June 2007 when Obama ordered a new birth certificate.
9. I doubt that Obama ordered his birth certificate the same day that he realized that he had lost his. So I would guess a few days or a few weeks must have passed from the time Obama discovered that he couldn't find his long form birth certificate to the time when he ordered a new birth certificate from Hawaii in 2007.
10. So it looks like then Senator Obama was without a birth certificate for at least a few days or even a few weeks back in 2007.
11. I find it funny as I imagine Senator and future President Obama anxiously and fruitlessly searching through his records like the rest of us when he realized that he couldn't find his long form birth certificate where he thought he had safely put it, and maybe, out of desperation and a feeling of helplessness, he ended up asking his wife Michelle and his staff if they had seen his long form birth certificate lying around somewhere. Too funny.
12. Mainstream reporters scared of Obama? And the mainstream media is so scared of Obama that it failed to ask Obama a simple question about the long form birth certificate when Obama announced on April 27, 2011 at a White House press conference that he was releasing his long form birth certificate: Why did you have to go to all that trouble to order a new long form birth certificate? Did you lose the one you had? If you lost it, when did you first realize that you had lost it?
Unlike the xerox, the rubber stamp will have a crisper edging against the green hashes and all the hashes should show up well under the stamp lettering. But they do not appear any different from the non-stamped (xeroxed) content.
The rules of evidence and debate are that if someone makes a claim contrary to the evidence on hand *they* must support that claim. The more extraordinary the claim, the more support needed.
Example: kerning in the WH PDF has been demonstrated and documentary evidence posted. JW claimed that all hawaiian COLBS have the same type - there is nothing different about Obama’s. Well, lets see it. He says he has seen it, so post a picture - that simple. (in contrast for me to try to find what he has already found, supposedly- and then refute it, would leave him the possibility to claim, “oh not that one, I was referring to something else.”
He made the claims - let him support them with evidence. Until then, its just some guy on the internet blabbing.
#6 states, with clear factual reasons I came to independently, why the alleged “proofs of fraud” are BS.
You retort to that with the vapid “[it] is an absolute forgery”, ignoring the facts stated and regurgitating a popular but baseless notion.
Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it’s proof of malice - it just means you’re ignorant.
Yes, bluecat6 they are laughing at the useful idiots and the press who WANT TO BELIEVE.
And these thugs even have the audacity to deface a government document...
Too long. Didn’t read. Doesn’t matter.
Obama has admitted that he was not born to two citizen parents; thus he is not a “natural born citizen” by the common definition in use when the Constitution was written. That alone should sufficiently disqualify him,
However, no one who is in a position of power (who could do anything effective about the situation) *CARES* or *AGREES*. No one in congress cares; No Supreme Court Justice cares; No federal judge cares, no federal prosecutor cares, etc... Clearly, *NOBODY* who can do anything cares/agrees. This is a dead issue until that changes. It’s a damn shame, but that’s where we are.
Well done. And don’t forget - Hawaii is spelled ‘HAWAI’ on the certification.
This analysis would stand up in court. I have seen convictions on much less.
Our issue remains that we are all trying to find a civil means of dealing with a criminal act, and the system does not support it. Law enforcement should be all over this.
Your red line under the K and a in ‘Kapiolani’ is way off. The angles don’t match.
Maybe the forger was smoking the same stuff that people who think Obama’s COLB is real? Heehee.
One conjecture goes that the forger didn’t want Obama to get away with it. He wanted to make sure everyone one knows it is a forgery. Or he couldn’t help himself and had to add his “signature” to it.
Or perhaps the forger wanted to be able to later absolve himself of any criminal act by purposely producing an obvious forgery as to expose the fraud known as Obama (or is it Harrison J. Bounel?).
You mean you think it’s not an actual smiley face, just little miscellaneous doodads left over from the various sources for the forgery, and coincidentally look like a smiley face?
Because I’m a technical idiot, I have no idea, just trying to see what more knowledgeable people say.
Corsi seemed to imply that the smiley face is the result of the forger signing his initials...you will need to further magnify.
Why would I care?
I know what you are.
You’re not a poor unbiased observer, just here to get the facts, ma’am.
You’re here to shoot down every attempt that could harm the President, from whatever direction.
You don’t provide honest corrections or alternative theories where needed.... like pointing out that the CERTIFICATE NUMBERS are out of order because they come from different administrative districts.
Nope. That’s not you.
You’re here to Just Say No!!!
So yeah. Have fun with that and the purple spiked hair.
Thanks palmer, looking forward to your analysis.
In the meantime, should we not discuss why Team Obama (or Bounel or whatever) released this composite when Fukino previously has attested to the fact that she has seen the original onfile and it was half hand written and half type written.
Where is the image of that document?
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