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News Release: Legal Proof That pResident Obama’s Certificate Of Live Birth Is A Forgery (Lengthy)
ObamaRelease YourRecords ^ | Tuesday, May 17, 2011

Posted on 05/19/2011 6:28:25 PM PDT by Red Steel

Re: Legal proof that President Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth is a forgery.

Dear Sir/Madam,

I have irrefutably proven that the Certificate of Live Birth that President Obama presented to the world on April 27, 2011 is a fraudulently created document put together using the Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator programs and the creation of this forgery of a public document constitutes a class B felony in Hawaii and multiple violations under U.S. Code section Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 47, Sec.1028, and therefore an impeachable offense. When this comes to the public’s attention, it will be the greatest scandal in the country’s history—nothing comes even close. This will surpass the all previous scandals including the Watergate scandal of the Nixon administration.

My Credentials

I have a unique background for analyzing this document. I owned a typesetting company for 11 years so I know type and form design very well. I currently own Archive Index Systems since 1993, which sells all types of document scanners worldwide and also developed document imaging software (TheRepository). I know how the scanners work. I have also sold other document imaging programs, such as Laser. Fiche, Liberty and Alchemy. I have sold and installed document imaging systems in city and county governments, so I know their procedures with imaging systems and everything about the design of such programs. This will be important in understanding what has happened with Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth.

What President Obama Presented to the Public is an alleged Certificate of Live Birth.

What President Obama presented is not the hospital birth certificate. The birth certificate would have the imprint of the baby’s footprint, weight, length and other information such as the religion. The Birth Certificate would be the source of the same information that would be typed onto the Certificate of Live Birth (the Long Form). What President Obama released is supposedly the Long Form that the County gets from the hospital, which is typed on a blank form given to the hospitals by the county. That copy is then mailed to the county Board of Health and kept as a legal government document. On Obama’s form (Figure 1) the County Clerk supposedly hand stamped the form on the upper right hand corner with a bates stamp. The number is a sequential number that reflects the sequence of Certificates that come into the County Health Department. The reason I know it was stamped by hand is because the number is crooked. The County Clerk also hand stamps the date of acceptance (box 20 and box 22). Obama’s Long Form was supposedly received on August 8, 1961, four days after his birth.

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To: Jeff Winston

If you compare Obama’s Colb with the Nordyke twins Colb are there similarities ?
Differences?

It would seem that the Nordyke twins document is as close to “validated” as one can get


151 posted on 05/20/2011 12:06:18 AM PDT by woofie
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To: PA Engineer

Please see my #151 ....I should have addressed it to you as well


152 posted on 05/20/2011 12:08:20 AM PDT by woofie
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To: PA Engineer
You posted a portion of the “flattened” AP document. This was covered quite extensively in the Denninger videos.

Then you'll have absolutely no difficulty in explaining exactly why, after spending many hours producing a lower-resolution forgery PDF, somebody also spent even more hours producing a high-resolution forgery as well.

See post # 147.

Oh, and you'll also have absolutely no difficulty in explaining exactly why someone felt it was necessary to manually copy approximately 50 apparently random letters and checkboxes in the PDF file (which are to-the-pixel identical to other letters and checkboxes in the image) rather than simply scanning in a real form, or using the image of a form already scanned.

Or why the now fact that such duplication to the pixel of letters is now KNOWN AND CONFIRMED to be an artifact of scanning and optimizing documents (see my recent pings for details.)

By the way, PA Engineer, I would appreciate an apology for your baseless ad hominem attack on me.

153 posted on 05/20/2011 12:20:39 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Swordmaker
You, sir, made assertions without providing evidence. You made claims that fly in the face of what I can see with my own eyes. I subjected this document to my own deconstruction, and did not rely on what others claimed and made measurements that show your claims to be false. Ergo, they are NOT factual nor true. They are twaddle. You continue to repeat similar claims without evidence. Please provide some graphical evidence of your claims. I submit you have earned the statement I made about the level of your cluelessness.

Also see posts 147 and 153.

I challenge you to refute what I've posted.

If you are unable to do so, then I expect a sincere apology for your claim that my posts are "not factual," "not true," "without evidence," "twaddle," and "clueless."

I would also appreciate an apology for your earlier ad personal attack on me.

154 posted on 05/20/2011 12:24:18 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Swordmaker

I also challenge you to explain the same things I asked PA Engineer to explain, in post 153.


155 posted on 05/20/2011 12:25:18 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
Dude. You just can't give it up. You have no credibility here. Change your socks. Nobody attacked you. Again, your words:

I guess I can just give up and let the nutjobs run FreeRepublic and promote demonstrably false nonsense as much as they want.
156 posted on 05/20/2011 12:25:53 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: woofie
Please see my #151 ....I should have addressed it to you as well

Indeed. That is the consensus on one of the COLBs used in the fraud. The numbering sequence was taken from another.
157 posted on 05/20/2011 12:28:36 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Jeff Winston
Please see post 144 before posting such things.

Just how do you explain the FACT that the "Alvin P. Onaka, Ph.D" stamp at the bottom of the supposedly scanned page extracts as an image that had been separately scanned, reduced by 24%, and that had been rotated to a minus 90°??? This was according to the Meta Data that Adobe Illustrator extracted from the layer. . . THAT would not have been created by any attract of OCR or image optimization, I assure you!

158 posted on 05/20/2011 12:28:45 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: All

Attract= artifact


159 posted on 05/20/2011 12:32:39 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Red Steel

Where’s Frank Abagnail when you need him?


160 posted on 05/20/2011 12:48:03 AM PDT by alstewartfan (While we lay under our roofs, the whole night filled up with the beating of hooves. Al Stewart)
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To: PA Engineer
You made the claim:

"I follow the COLB fraud threads. You have been shot down on every one of them. You do not offer facts, but claims and testaments."

I challenged you to factually refute the claims I made earlier in this thread. You declined to do so.

The third of the four claims I made that I identified as easily testable has to do with Denninger's claim that kerning is present in the Obama document, and that this proves forgery.

Denninger states that two letters intruding upon each other's space in an indication of "kerning," and that this PROVES the document is forged, as such technology was not available in 1961.

He gives as his example the letters "a" and "p" in "Kapiolani," pointing out that they intrude upon each other's space.

I stated that Denninger was incorrect, and that this is evident in Edith Pauline Coats' birth certificate, which is a "known good" certificate from this era.

Below is the visual proof of my statement.

For the things we can clearly examine, that makes it: Douglas Vogt 0, PA Engineer 0, Jeff Winston 3.

I would appreciate an apology for your false personal attack.

161 posted on 05/20/2011 12:48:21 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: PA Engineer
Dude. You just can't give it up. You have no credibility here. Change your socks. Nobody attacked you. Again, your words:

I decided NOT to just give up and let the nutjobs run FreeRepublic.

You posted:

I find this statement to be the most revealing element of who you are.

I follow the COLB fraud threads. You have been shot down on every one of them. You do not offer facts, but claims and testaments.

Without a gossamer of evidence you pretend to parade out testimonials. When others point it out, you attack with vicious ad hominem venom. Why are you really here on these threads?

If you do not consider this to be a personal attack, please explain to me why you do not. Would you appreciate it if I posted the same falsehoods about you?

I am waiting for your apology. I am also waiting for you to factually refute even one of the things I've asked you to refute.

162 posted on 05/20/2011 12:51:52 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
Jeff Winston said: "Explain then the existence of the much HIGHER-resolution version of the document released by the Associated Press on the same day as the PDF file"

Hang in there, Jeff. On another thread I responded regarding the occurrence of characters with unusually identical pixel patterns. I found that such duplications appear in the copy of "Alice in Wonderland" from Google Books. I don't understand the details of how such an optimization would work, but obviously something is going on that might conceivably explain the duplications of character patterns in Obama's PDF.

It's my understanding that Obama's camp claims to have received two copies of his long form birth certificate in hard copy. Evidently the PDF file was created by someone at Obama's request.

I had seen poor copies of a different "high resolution" scan to which you have referred.

Could you tell me briefly how that scan was made, by whom, and of what document? Was this high resolution scan made directly from one of the hard copies held by the White House? In other words, was this high resolution scan made completely independently of the ugly, useless "optimized" PDF?

And finally, can you provide a link to the actual scanned document? I have seen parts of it but not the whole thing. Thanks.

163 posted on 05/20/2011 12:52:38 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: PA Engineer
You also claim:

You have no credibility here.

You're the one who continues to engage in ad hominem attacks and refuses to engage the facts. Either engage the facts, or apologize.

164 posted on 05/20/2011 12:53:11 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: PA Engineer
You made the claim:

"I follow the COLB fraud threads. You have been shot down on every one of them. You do not offer facts, but claims and testaments."

I challenged you to factually refute the claims I made earlier in this thread. You declined to do so.

The fourth of the four claims I made that I identified as easily testable has to do with the claim that the out-of-sequence nature of the Obama and Nordyke twins' certificate numbers proves forgery.

I asked Triple to:

Do a search on the web for the birth date and certificate number for Stig Waidelich.

Actually, I mentioned in post #6 in this thread:

The sequential number: Is out of sequence with the Nordyke twins’ certificate. It’s also out of sequence with the certificate for Stig Waidelich, who was born on August 6, and has a certificate number of 10920. This is almost 200 numbers off of both the Nordyke twins and the Obama certificate number, and indicates the whole theory is fatally flawed.

The information regarding Stig Waidelich's birth certificate number is available from multiple sources on the web, and no one has ever contested that his birth certificate in fact ends in 10920.

The point that I made in post #6 of this thread has never been refuted, and you offer no evidence whatsoever to refute it.

Let me help you: In order to refute the point, you need to produce a valid image, not photoshopped, that disproves the information that Stig Waidelich's birth certicate number is 10920.

If Waidelich was born two days before Obama, and his birth certificate number is nearly 200 numbers after Obama's, then the entire "birth certificate number means Obama's certificate is a fraud" theory collapses entirely.

I also added:

But if the 4 specific points I just mentioned check out (and you and anybody else CAN check and verify all of them), then it just might be that I know what the hell I’m talking about.

For the things we can clearly examine, that makes it: Douglas Vogt 0, PA Engineer 0, Jeff Winston 4.

I would appreciate an apology for your baseless and false personal attacks.

I am also waiting for you to produce evidence that my claims are incorrect.

165 posted on 05/20/2011 1:05:48 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
Jeff Winston mentions: "... Denninger's claim that kerning is present ..."

I was somewhat skeptical of this claim but haven't yet investigated it.

Your approach of showing that "kerning" (or just letter crowding )seems to appear in other known valid documents of the era is one way to proceed.

Another way is to characterize fully the relative positions of all the typed letters on the document. Although the character pair "ap" appears to be kerning, I think I noticed that the lower case "a" seemed to strike closer to the letter following it than the letter preceding it. Perhaps the "p" tends to strike slightly to the left of where intended. The bars on which the letters of a manual typewriter were located were notorious for getting jammed and becoming slightly bent.

An analysis of each letter's apparent spacing relative to each of the other letters might permit one to correct for that letter striking consistently to the left or the right. Once such a correction is made, then one might reasonably assess whether kerning is taking place.

166 posted on 05/20/2011 1:07:10 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell
Another way is to characterize fully the relative positions of all the typed letters on the document. Although the character pair "ap" appears to be kerning, I think I noticed that the lower case "a" seemed to strike closer to the letter following it than the letter preceding it. Perhaps the "p" tends to strike slightly to the left of where intended. The bars on which the letters of a manual typewriter were located were notorious for getting jammed and becoming slightly bent.

That's a very good theory, and a very good thing to look at.

167 posted on 05/20/2011 1:14:39 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston; PA Engineer
Below is indisputable proof of my factual claim.

I can easily dispute it. Your red line on the "M" is very poorly placed and in fact winds up at the bottom of the opening of the center of the "a", making your whole demonstration a distortion!. The same is true of your "Ka" pair... In fact, if you were being honest, your base line on the "Ka" pairing would show NO DROP at all. I will admit the cap line of the "K" does show a one pixel drop, but that is inconclusive when compared with the baseline which shows none at all across the entire word on average. Yet the offset printed Words and stroked lines both have distinctly observable drops. No apology.

168 posted on 05/20/2011 1:15:09 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Jeff Winston; PA Engineer

If you put an overlay of Nordyke on top of Obamas doc. can you directly compare size/ style spacing of letters ?....That should tell you something.
Its possible to have 2 different typewriters . but within the Obama Doc all spacing ./ style etc should be the same. ( also for the Nordyke doc)


169 posted on 05/20/2011 1:22:39 AM PDT by woofie
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To: Swordmaker
Swordmaker said: In fact, if you were being honest, your base line on the "Ka" pairing would show NO DROP at all."

In my post #166 I point out that one needs to take into account the errors in individual character placement horizontally before being able to conclusively determine whether kerning is taking place in the document.

Similarly, since the typist must press the SHIFT key when typing an upper case "K", one would have to consider the possibility that the key was not fully pressed or had perhaps bounced off the mechanical stops. For this reason there may be some uncertainty about where a character should appear vertically. I haven't looked to see whether there are other examples of the "Ka" pair to compare within the document.

170 posted on 05/20/2011 1:30:18 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Triple
what are your credentials?

He's a White House debunking agent. That's at least a GS-13.


down. south.

It is dark, you are likely to be eaten by a grue.

Turn on Lamp. Kill troll with sword.

171 posted on 05/20/2011 1:40:39 AM PDT by EvasiveManuever (Shakespeare got it wrong. Not the lawyers... journalists.)
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To: Swordmaker
Swordmaker said: In fact, if you were being honest, your base line on the "Ka" pairing would show NO DROP at all.

I just checked quite a few examples. The "Ka" in the address field and the "Ke" in "Kenya" show the "K" striking perhaps a pixel above the following lower case letter. The "K" in "Kansas" is very high.

In fact, it appears to be the rule rather than the exception that an upper case letter followed by a lower case letter will strike slightly high. This effect would tend toward straightening out a curve at the edge of the document.

172 posted on 05/20/2011 1:49:56 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Jeff Winston; PA Engineer
I stated that Denninger was incorrect, and that this is evident in Edith Pauline Coats' birth certificate, which is a "known good" certificate from this era.

Having done a lot of kerning in the past, It is my opinion that the "ap" pair example given by Denninger is an excellent example of what looks like computerized auto-kerning. They are a normally kerned pair. However, usually, a fixed width typeface like the one being used in this case would not be set to auto-kern as the point of its use would be to have it look like typewriter monospacing. I have not examined the document in detail for more examples of auto-kerning, but it's possible they are there. It's also possible it's just an example of a slipping strike bar of a worn typewriter.

The three you point out in the Coats BC are not. the closest to kerning in the Coats BC would be the "Ma" pair... But neither of these letters would be candidates for what I see as kerning. What I see in the Coats document is normal wear slippage of an old typewriter. The "ld" pair is not even that... It is merely blurring artifacting, and the "us" pairing is just a slight mis strike of the "s" which is shown by the larger kern gap between the "st" pair.

173 posted on 05/20/2011 1:55:15 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker
I can easily dispute it. Your red line on the "M" is very poorly placed and in fact winds up at the bottom of the opening of the center of the "a", making your whole demonstration a distortion!. The same is true of your "Ka" pair... In fact, if you were being honest, your base line on the "Ka" pairing would show NO DROP at all. I will admit the cap line of the "K" does show a one pixel drop, but that is inconclusive when compared with the baseline which shows none at all across the entire word on average. Yet the offset printed Words and stroked lines both have distinctly observable drops. No apology.

You make an excellent point here, two of them, actually, that a) the red line ends up at the bottom of the opening of the "a," and b) the K, overall, does not appear to be lower than the a. You are very correct in so noting.

First, though, let's go over this.

1) Do you dispute that the topmost point of the a is lower than the topmost point of the e?

2) Do you dispute that the bottommost point of the a is lower than the bottommost point of the e?

3) Do you dispute that the bottommost point of the M is lower than the bottommost point of the e?

4) Do you dispute that the top left of the M is lower than the top right of the M, or that the line I have drawn follows the slope of the top of the M?

5) Do you dispute that the bottom left of the M is lower than the bottom right of the M, or that the line I have drawn follows the slope of the bottom of the M?

6) In "Kapiolani," do you dispute that the top left of the K is lower than the top right of the K, or that the line I have drawn follows its slope?

7) Do you dispute that the bottom left of the K appears lower than the bottom right of the K, or that the line I have drawn on that letter is representative of its slope?

8) Do you dispute that the "a" in Kapiolani appears to be lower than both the p and the i?

It seems pretty clear to me that we have 8 different points that seem to substantially match my description of the facts, and 2 very proper objections by you. Your third objection is weaker, and I will show you why.

You said: "the baseline... shows [no drop] at all across the entire word on average."

This is not true. The drop is small, but can be clearly seen in the following.

Note the bottoms of the letters all the way through the second word. This assures us that we have the correct baseline.

The top line is parallel to this established baseline.

As you can see, there is a one-pixel variation between the position of the second a in Kapiolani, and the a in Maternity. But almost all of the lower-case letters have the exact same baseline from the i in Kapiolani on.

Look how much lower the tops of the a and the p are than the other lower case letters.

Note also that the first K and the first a are the ONLY letters that dip below the line.

With the baseline, then, we can actually see the curve in the word.

So why is the K not visibly lower than the a? Well, one good clue is in the next line, where in the MIDDLE of the document, the K appears to be HIGHER than the first two a's that follow it!

The truth is that there is some variation in letter height. The fact that the K does not appear to be lower than the a is therefore not at all conclusive.

The same goes for the M. Note also that the M in normal type in the word Maternity appears CLEARLY a pixel higher than the a that follows it.

If you want a much more accurate indicator, look at ALL of the capital K's and M's in the document. There are several of each. If you look at those, it becomes abundantly clear that the left side of the letters being lower than the right side is NOT normal, and is a DEFINITE indication that my point is correct.

On the basis of all of the evidence, the point, then, stands. The claim that there is no curve in the typewritten letters is incorrect.

By the way, I compliment you on (unlike PA Engineer) engaging in the actual facts rather than simply persisting in ad hominem attack.

174 posted on 05/20/2011 2:04:16 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: EvasiveManuever

Another example of a personal, ad hominem attack.

It appears that those on your side of the discussion have almost nothing else.

If you’re capable of more than a personal attack, I challenge you to engage in the actual facts and arguments that I’ve presented.


175 posted on 05/20/2011 2:06:29 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
The AP published a HIGHER-resolution image of the same document in a non-certified format on plain white background.

Can you throw me a link to that? thanks.

176 posted on 05/20/2011 2:08:50 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: William Tell; PA Engineer
In fact, it appears to be the rule rather than the exception that an upper case letter followed by a lower case letter will strike slightly high. This effect would tend toward straightening out a curve at the edge of the document.

I took that into consideration and looked at the average drop for the word and the drop of the baseline of the letter itself. Even if the letter bar struck high it should still have struck somewhat parallel to the horizontal line of the platten, not curving down to follow later line of a bend caused by a book binding. Ergo, the typewriter line of print should be consistently horizontal across the page, as is the offset printed ink on the page. Why then is there ANY discrepancy in parallax at the same vertical vector between the printed and typewritten ink on the page?

I understand why the background safety paper pattern continues in a straight line without curving back... It's merely the laser paper the image is supposedly printed on (although in this instance, it too, is just one of the layers)... but both parallel lines of print should follow the same curved surface plane of the perspective the folio page follows back to the binding. They don't quite. Smoking gun.

177 posted on 05/20/2011 2:13:47 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Jeff Winston
Then you'll have absolutely no difficulty in explaining exactly why, after spending many hours producing a lower-resolution forgery PDF, somebody also spent even more hours producing a high-resolution forgery as well.

That could be explained by reversing the order. The forgery, if there was one, was done on white background (unlike many of the theories floating around this place). Then it was reduced, blurred somewhat and copied onto the green hash paper in a final step (similar to the normal process of printing the scanned original onto new green hash paper).

A logical question would then be, why release the high res, plain paper forgery when it could lead people to the process used to make the final forgery?

178 posted on 05/20/2011 2:13:54 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Swordmaker
Just how do you explain the FACT that the "Alvin P. Onaka, Ph.D" stamp at the bottom of the supposedly scanned page extracts as an image that had been separately scanned, reduced by 24%, and that had been rotated to a minus 90°??? This was according to the Meta Data that Adobe Illustrator extracted from the layer. . . THAT would not have been created by any attract of OCR or image optimization, I assure you!

Perhaps you can explain to me why a human being would work with a bunch of different elements that started out rotated 90 degrees to the left, and then import them into a program that way?

If it makes little sense for a program to structure things that way, it makes no sense at all for a human being.

In any event, it all fails what I mentioned earlier about the higher resolution document. No one has ever explained why on earth a human being would EVER exhibit the behavior described. See my earlier post for details.

179 posted on 05/20/2011 2:17:45 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Swordmaker

The K in Kapiolani is rotated slightly counterclockwise from the curvature of the text. The rotation is the same as the printed form text. Same with M in Male.


180 posted on 05/20/2011 2:23:01 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: William Tell
Hang in there, Jeff.

Thank you. The zombies hardly even attempt to defend their claims. It's all reposting of things that have essentially been disproven, plus personal attack. There seems to be a lot of those. If you don't believe the birther claims of forgery, then you're a troll, an Obot, etc., etc.

A full copy of the high-resolution document is available here.

181 posted on 05/20/2011 2:24:50 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
The information regarding Stig Waidelich's birth certificate number is available from multiple sources on the web, and no one has ever contested that his birth certificate in fact ends in 10920.<

That it does. However, WHEN he was born is not the issue, nor pertinent. What is the issue for Stig's birth certificate is WHEN it was submitted to the central records. Apparentlynhis report of his birth was not reported for until several weeks AFTER his birth! As a result his birth was registered around 200 births AFTER Obama's even though he was really born the day after and only about five or six babies were born in between Obama and Stig's birth. The NUMBER is issued and stamped on the BC at the central office when someone gets around to reporting the birth... It's not assigned on the day of birth.

182 posted on 05/20/2011 2:25:09 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: William Tell

Not that I’m saying it necessarily ISN’T a forgery, mind you. But none of the claims in the original document at the beginning of this thread, or any that I’ve seen since then, demonstrate such a fact.

As I said earlier somewhere, if it’s a forgery (and it may be), it’s a decent one.


183 posted on 05/20/2011 2:26:28 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Swordmaker
The three you point out in the Coats BC are not. the closest to kerning in the Coats BC would be the "Ma" pair... But neither of these letters would be candidates for what I see as kerning. What I see in the Coats document is normal wear slippage of an old typewriter. The "ld" pair is not even that... It is merely blurring artifacting, and the "us" pairing is just a slight mis strike of the "s" which is shown by the larger kern gap between the "st" pair.

Look at the very irregular spacing in the second occurrence of "Honolulu" in the Obama document. Look at the no and both lu's. Compare that word with the first occurrence of Honolulu.

Also look at the "ent" in "Student." If you are honest, I don't believe you can tell me with a straight face that what is going on in this document is sophisticated computer-generated kerning, and NOT simply the irregular spacing of letters of a (possibly worn) mechanical typewriter.

184 posted on 05/20/2011 2:33:05 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: palmer
Can you throw me a link to that?

Absolutely. See post 181.

185 posted on 05/20/2011 2:34:10 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Swordmaker
I understand why the background safety paper pattern continues in a straight line without curving back... It's merely the laser paper the image is supposedly printed on (although in this instance, it too, is just one of the layers)... but both parallel lines of print should follow the same curved surface plane of the perspective the folio page follows back to the binding. They don't quite. Smoking gun.

I've shown that the leftmost letters are lower than more rightward letters, and that both the M and the K are abnormally skewed downward at the left. None of these effects have any explanation for those who insist that "there's no curve." To deny the evidence I've posted is to deny the facts, as far as I see.

186 posted on 05/20/2011 2:37:57 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: palmer
That could be explained by reversing the order. The forgery, if there was one, was done on white background (unlike many of the theories floating around this place). Then it was reduced, blurred somewhat and copied onto the green hash paper in a final step (similar to the normal process of printing the scanned original onto new green hash paper).

I don't think it can be explained by reversing the order, at least not without invalidating the claim that the layers weren't created by machine. See the thinking in post 147.

In other words, the theory requires a disproof of the very thing it's trying to prove.

Either way, the layers-means-fraud theory collapses.

187 posted on 05/20/2011 2:41:46 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: palmer
A logical question would then be, why release the high res, plain paper forgery when it could lead people to the process used to make the final forgery?

And that very question is another reason why the layers-means-fraud theory collapses.

188 posted on 05/20/2011 2:42:37 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston; PA Engineer
Perhaps you can explain to me why a human being would work with a bunch of different elements that started out rotated 90 degrees to the left, and then import them into a program that way?

That's easy... They started out with scanned documents in one orientation. It's easier to rotate than to rescan when using them if one needs them in landscape and you scanned them in portrait. There is NO reason for a program to separate out an element, rotate it, reduce it, and save that data in the Meta data, in a different orientation than the original document. None what-so-ever.

189 posted on 05/20/2011 2:44:02 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker; PA Engineer
That it does. However, WHEN he was born is not the issue, nor pertinent. What is the issue for Stig's birth certificate is WHEN it was submitted to the central records. Apparentlynhis report of his birth was not reported for until several weeks AFTER his birth! As a result his birth was registered around 200 births AFTER Obama's even though he was really born the day after and only about five or six babies were born in between Obama and Stig's birth. The NUMBER is issued and stamped on the BC at the central office when someone gets around to reporting the birth... It's not assigned on the day of birth.

A most excellent point, Swordmaker.

However, I must correct a mistake that I made earlier.

August 6 was NOT Stig Waidelich's birth date.

August 6 was the date the certificate was filed with the registrar.

Waidelich was actually born, as was reported on the news, on August 5th.

The fact is, your theories have failed at every identifiable point, and you have yet to demonstrate failure of even one of the major points I've made.

I am still waiting for that apology from PA Engineer for his baseless and false personal attacks. The longer he delays in giving it, the worse he looks.

190 posted on 05/20/2011 2:52:27 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
As I said earlier somewhere, if it’s a forgery (and it may be), it’s a decent one.

I think it's quite good if it's a forgery. Rhe release of the high-res AP image shows me that the curvature in M and K is there (the low-res images show it too) but it is not quite as sloped as the form lines. That is evidence of a painstaking forgery (rotating the M counterclockwise) or visual distortion.

191 posted on 05/20/2011 2:54:52 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Swordmaker
That's easy... They started out with scanned documents in one orientation. It's easier to rotate than to rescan when using them if one needs them in landscape and you scanned them in portrait. There is NO reason for a program to separate out an element, rotate it, reduce it, and save that data in the Meta data, in a different orientation than the original document. None what-so-ever.

This particular point, I will concede, is arguable.

As someone who works with graphics, I see no reason for a human being to work with images in this way.

In fact, there is a LOT wrong with a human being handling images in the way they are handled in this document.

Once again, though, it all fails the fact of the higher resolution document. Unless you can come up with a convincing and satisfying explanation for that, you must concede that the overall point fails.

And even if you should demonstrate that a human being might do things that way, you still haven't demonstrated that the human hypothesis is a better one than the machine hypothesis.

I just don't see any way for you to get there from here. And nobody has suggested a viable path.

192 posted on 05/20/2011 2:57:49 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

Do you have a link to an original uncropped version of this “high resolution” AP image?


193 posted on 05/20/2011 2:58:42 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Swordmaker

By the way, there are also further reasons for failure of the human-editing hypothesis that we haven’t even TOUCHED yet.


194 posted on 05/20/2011 2:58:49 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: palmer
I think it's quite good if it's a forgery. Rhe release of the high-res AP image shows me that the curvature in M and K is there (the low-res images show it too) but it is not quite as sloped as the form lines. That is evidence of a painstaking forgery (rotating the M counterclockwise) or visual distortion.

Yes, agreed. Have you seen my analysis and graphic on that earlier in this thread?

195 posted on 05/20/2011 2:59:59 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

Of course. Layers = obfuscation is the only valid theory. But obfuscation also could help hide a forgery.


196 posted on 05/20/2011 3:00:08 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Yes indeed, please see post 181.


197 posted on 05/20/2011 3:00:36 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

Duh, sorry, missed that one. Thanks!


198 posted on 05/20/2011 3:01:32 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Swordmaker; PA Engineer

By the way, I will probably be offline now for a couple of days or so. Therefore, PA Engineer, you may take advantage of the situation to offer up as many baseless and false personal attacks as you like.

If you’re a decent human being, however, I would more expect an apology.


199 posted on 05/20/2011 3:05:38 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
Yes, I read most of your posts. I will plan to post a vanity this weekend (not until Sunday and that day could be busy also) and explain how the forgery was done with a proper explanation and pictures. The layers are artifacts of arbitrary post processing, anyone with a modicum of common sense can see that.

The first step was to grab a white background abstract, perhaps only available in Hawaii, but possibly elsewhere. Second step was to change the typewritten text, somewhat painstaking but very doable. Third step was to change date rubber stamps. One way is to cut/paste date pieces from elsewhere.

Fourth, and an odd but necessary mistake, was to cut/paste the Alvin T Onaka rubber stamp onto the white background forgery. That was bad since that rubber stamp is supposed to go on the green hash paper post-printing. It was the only serious forgery mistake in this theory. (BTW, it isn't TXE, it is THE, as I have finally been able to see in the high res AP image).

Because of that mistake, the WH PDF does not show the proper green hash background under the ATO rubber stamp. Fifth step was to print the white background forgery onto green hash paper, the way the registrar would do it in Hawaii. Step six was to emboss a seal onto the paper artifact

Now they were ready to show it to Guthrie who took two two crummy low-res photos and didn't bother inspecting the seal. As a witness to history, she basically peed her pants.

Next they made many copies of the green hash paper artifact on a B/W copier. Next they emailed the WH PDF down to the obfuscation room where some 23 year old played with layers and thresholding SW (might be one of the same morons we are forced to watch on utube explaining that document layering is a little known fact).

Finally, they released their two electronic artifacts. AP made a third electronic artifact by scanning the B/W xerox. But some well-meaning idiot also decide to release the high res white background image to AP to bolster the case for native birth (probably just a koolaid drinker with no brain).

That's about it, do you think I've left anything out?

200 posted on 05/20/2011 3:33:29 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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