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The Real Reason Why Obama’s Birth Certificate Is Probably Fake
TrueblueNZ ^ | 04/28/11 | Redbaiter

Posted on 04/28/2011 6:26:54 AM PDT by wistful

Donald Trump did it. Unfazed by the lies of Obama’s mainstream media troops, he stuck to his guns and exposed the big lie that Obama had produced his birth certificate. This lie was propogated by almost every media personality for example Bill O’Reilly, who stated he had seen the birth certificate, and George Stephanopoulos, who only a few days ago waved the COLB in Michelle Bachmann’s face and intimidated her into agreeing that it was THE CERTIFICATE.

The claim that Obama had produced his certificate was a lie. Here’s the rub though. Obama knew it was a lie, because, if what we are being told now is true, he knew the Long Form was on file in Hawaii. He knew it was on file, but all this time, has remained quiet about that fact, and allowed everyone backing him to maintain the fiction that the COLB was the real Birth Certificate.

Press Secretary Robert Gibbs many times stood before a sniggering incompetent and partisan White House Press Gallery and stated the COLB was the Birth certificate. The White House Press Secretary lied outright to the White House Press Corp. And even now, after this lie has been starkly exposed the Press Corp remain mute on one of the biggest hoaxes ever performed upon the American people.

For two years or more they all tried to pass off the COLB as the real birth certificate. Gibbs lied. The Democrats lied. Most of the mainstream media lied.

Obama never came out and told the truth. “Yes, the claim my critics are making that the COLB is not the real certificate is true. There is a long form and it is on file in Hawaii.” He never said this. He allowed the fiction to stand.

Now, anyone out there who claims this Long Form Certificate is the real thing, you tell me why the fiction that the COLB was a birth certificate was maintained for so long.

It was only recently that Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino clarified her statements enough to state unmistakeably that there was a Long Form Birth certificate on file. All previous statements had been contradictory, vague and evasive and did not mention a Long Form Certificate. She used “original vital records” and other such unclear terms. When everyone was hollering about the Long Form Certificate, she never once used this term. Until only a few days before Obama produced the document.

Sorry people. I did not come down in the last shower. This circumstance stinks to high heaven. I do not believe this fabricated and fictional artifice. I will await further forensic evidence before making my mind up fully on this issue, but I’m far from convinced and I don’t see how anyone with any intelligence could be. Trust but verify some people are saying. Maybe, frankly I find it hard to trust anyone who strongly supported a fiction for two years or more with lawyers and rhetoric and propaganda, and let an honourable American soldier go to jail, when it all could have been put to rest so easily.


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A professional forensic investigation still needs to be carried out on the document. Circumstantial evidence and plain common sense already strongly suggest Obama’s Long Form Certificate is a forgery.
1 posted on 04/28/2011 6:26:58 AM PDT by wistful
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To: wistful

Not to mention - if he had a bona fide birth certificate, why spend millions to prevent presenting it in court and stopping all the eligibility lawsuits???

Now will he provide this “official certificate” to a court?
I doubt it. He may be a street rat but he knows enough about the law to be spooked by this.

However, by his sideshow yesterday, he crossed the Rubicon- into open fraud before the press and public.


2 posted on 04/28/2011 6:33:18 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: wistful

The ONLY reason why Obama released the Birth Certificate is because of Donald Trump.

The ONLY reason why Trump forced Obama to capitulate, is because not a single member in Congress has a spine. There is not a single Republican, not a one - who was willing to stand up for what they swore that they believe in.

They are cowards, lacking the spine to stand up and demand what should have been examined before election was even held. Not one set of balls in the entire Republican Party.

Not
a
one.


3 posted on 04/28/2011 6:34:24 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: wistful
I don't know if what they've release the first time or this last time is a fake or the real thing but I do know one thing for sure, there is enough hanky panky, lies, misdirection and obfuscation going on with regards to this whole birth certificate question for the ordinary citizen to be suspicious of anything Obama or his minions do. Nothing is straightforward or plain, everything is nuanced or clouded in secret.
4 posted on 04/28/2011 6:34:49 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: wistful

Yes, and didn’t the governor of Hawaii state not too long ago that they COULDN’T find his birth certificate - that one didn’t exist?

So many contradictions - and yet, even people that are supposed to be on our side - refuse to even ask questions about it?


5 posted on 04/28/2011 6:35:21 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: wistful
Well, probably, but the "certificate" is a digital image ~ like all the others.

What we have here is very simple ~ a WILLFUL MISREPRESENTATION by the Administration ~ whose spokespeeps are now saying "a legal document" with regards to the "short form" they peddled earlier.

They had at least three different "short forms" out there ~ each one of which had been substantially edited to do nothing more than FIT someone's laptop or blackberry!

These people are not terribly knowledgeable in the field of image production ~ and are too stupid to know how deficient they are.

Gibbs sneered and snorked. He fed the fires like no one else on this issue. The fact he seemed to enjoy the show suggests he plays with himself a lot. Kept putting his hand in his pocket. So, what was in there eh.

6 posted on 04/28/2011 6:35:32 AM PDT by muawiyah
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7 posted on 04/28/2011 6:35:36 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: silverleaf
Not to mention - if he had a bona fide birth certificate, why spend millions to prevent presenting it in court and stopping all the eligibility lawsuits???

Until this is substantiated and not glossed from a WND article, I wouldn't repeat this claim.

8 posted on 04/28/2011 6:35:49 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: wistful
I did not come down in the last shower. This circumstance stinks to high heaven.

No real original document or direct image thereof was released. Instead what was released is a digitized image printed on security paper. The digitized image may be of an actual original document, but it is impossible to confirm that from what has been supplied.

The authority is not the image, it is the signed stamp of the registrar, Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D. He is the only one who has actually seen or who is allowed to see the purported original, according to the wonderful cover story of a plan they concocted.

9 posted on 04/28/2011 6:35:57 AM PDT by bvw
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To: wistful

I remember a Maryland couple going to jail for fraud in the late 90’s for not correctly indicating their incomes on their federally approved mortgage application. They inflated it by around $5,000 in order to qualify. I found it astounding at the time. The judge lectured them on the slippery slope of such deliberate fraud during their sentencing phase.


10 posted on 04/28/2011 6:37:33 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: frogjerk

I agree i see that post a 100 times a day and people just keep repeating it. bizarre.


11 posted on 04/28/2011 6:37:47 AM PDT by mel (o fFR monthly...Do You?????)
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To: wistful

What I find very strange is that the judge who was handling the case of the court martialed soldier said that she could not order the release of Obamas birth certificate because it would reveal embarrassing details about the president. After examining this so-called long form “Certificate of Live Birth” I fail to see what is embarrassing? What was the judge talking about then?


12 posted on 04/28/2011 6:38:02 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: wistful

After Trump’s dog and pony show, this thing is done. It may very well be a forgery, but, now, you’ll never be able to get any consensus on it. The powers that be have spoken.


13 posted on 04/28/2011 6:38:07 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: wistful

Obama held on to the “long form” for so long because the issue was working to his advantage by helping to paint Republicans as nutty conspiracy theorists in the eyes of the mushy middle. When Trump started blasting away in the media they realized the seeds of doubt were spreading to independents so they decided to call off the game.


14 posted on 04/28/2011 6:38:49 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: wistful
Don't "long forms" have the baby's vital statistics - length, weight, footprints, etc.? What 0bama is trying to pass off as a long form is not much more than the same internet fake he peddled a couple of years back.

This one is even more suspect that the last one. The layers mean it could've been put together from someone else's document and 0bama's name inserted.

15 posted on 04/28/2011 6:39:46 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: wistful
And here are two reasons why it is probably not fake:
  1. Forging such a document would be a felony. Do you really think Obama, or any of his henchmen, would go to prison over this? When they could just continue to ignore the whole thing (with the kind help of the liberal media) instead?
  2. Ann Dunham’s signature. Apparently, she forgot to put her first name there, and then added it in parentheses, as an afterthought. Now, seriously: If you were forging such a document, and you forgot putting her first name there, you would toss that thing in the garbage and start over, wouldn’t you?

16 posted on 04/28/2011 6:39:52 AM PDT by cartan
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To: wistful

bfl


17 posted on 04/28/2011 6:40:30 AM PDT by tutstar
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To: frogjerk

So getting all “Wee-wee’d up” over something is now a phrase to be inserted into the political playbook of politics. It’s become quite effective.


18 posted on 04/28/2011 6:40:33 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: wistful
The plan was turn the BC controversy around on TheDonald and demand he now release his tax returns.

And now Joe Gibbs, Obamah's righ-hand man, has done exactly that.

And you can bet the Obamah's Pom-Pom media will be demanding Trump do exactly that, regardless of how many experts delcare the COLB-II a fake.

19 posted on 04/28/2011 6:41:01 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: silverleaf

Another thing eating at me is, in one of the court cases his attorneys made the case that they didn’t want to release the BC because there was something “embarassing” on it.

Now, this thing get’s released and there’s nothing “embarassing” on it....that in and of itself, tells me it’s FAKE.


20 posted on 04/28/2011 6:41:10 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: bvw

The real point to this exercise is that there is no way that anyone who looks at the complete circumstance of the Long Form’s sudden discovery and appearance cannot be skeptical.

Its just too much to believe. Its contrived and manipulated.

The document must undergo proper forensic testing to absolve the office of the President from suspicion of fraud.


21 posted on 04/28/2011 6:41:48 AM PDT by wistful
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To: spacejunkie01

Where was that said? Was it in court transcript?


22 posted on 04/28/2011 6:42:11 AM PDT by Mr. K (this administration is WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY~!! [Palin/Bachman 2012])
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To: frogjerk

So you think ALL those court cases over the past 2 years odumbo was represented PRO BONO?? The plaintiffs attorneys have cumulatively spent millions...why do you think odumdo DIDN’T to represent himself and block this??


23 posted on 04/28/2011 6:44:32 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: silverleaf

You make a good point- This should be tested.

Is Obama willing to submit this in court as his real BC? A forensic examiner for the opponent would have a field day.

There is a GREAT YouTube video out last night were a guy opens the doc in Adobe Ilustrator and picks up the different layers and moves them around. The whole ID block removes. Signatures, dates, all move. Impossible to do for a scanned document.


24 posted on 04/28/2011 6:45:08 AM PDT by Mr. K (this administration is WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY~!! [Palin/Bachman 2012])
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To: wistful
You initial comments were great too. And you are right:
The document must undergo proper forensic testing to absolve the office of the President from suspicion of fraud.
You make perfect sense, of course. The original records should be reviewed by reputable forensic examiners, included those representing folks who have challenged Obama's legitimacy. That would raise the evidence to legal-process forensic standards.
25 posted on 04/28/2011 6:46:23 AM PDT by bvw
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To: mel
I agree i see that post a 100 times a day and people just keep repeating it. bizarre.

And it is an unnecessary claim at that. The delay alone is sufficient to prove there is something not right here.

26 posted on 04/28/2011 6:47:10 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: wistful

Yeppers! 0bama outed himself, his staff and the press as bald-faced liars.


27 posted on 04/28/2011 6:47:42 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Mr. K

One would think it’s in a transcript somewhere as it was definitely the reason given in one of the court cases.


28 posted on 04/28/2011 6:48:21 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: cartan

Those are two pretty good arguments. I would respond thus-

1) the president was in a jam. The pressure was getting too much even for him to bear. Remember that some flunky lied to protect John Edwards out of misguided loyalty. Its not inconceivable that some gang that included Obama would try this and then work to tough it out. They might see this as a better option than keeping the mystery rolling.

2) Maybe. Maybe not.


29 posted on 04/28/2011 6:48:25 AM PDT by wistful
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To: wistful

Oh buh-ru-ther.

Do we need proof of the moon landing as well? Only Neil Armstrong and 2 others was there — if they were paid off then all bets are off!


30 posted on 04/28/2011 6:50:17 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: wistful

Every individual who has completed one day of boot camp in the Service has more integrity in their little finger than all the members of the federal government, Hawaiian government and the msm. There’s a commercial for a cell phone that’s also a computer. The guy is trying to get on an airplane and a TSA supervisors says, “Well which is it, sir? A cell phone or a computer.” So which is it o, a certificate or a certification?


31 posted on 04/28/2011 6:50:42 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: cartan

“Ann Dunham’s signature. Apparently, she forgot to put her first name there, and then added it in parentheses, as an afterthought.”

Honestly, how many times have you signed your name and “forgot” to put your first name in there? Seems weird doesn’t it?


32 posted on 04/28/2011 6:50:42 AM PDT by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: bvw

BO and his minions are very scary. That they would put out this fake (I believe) is just downright evil. What is he hiding? I think this will galvanize people more than ever to vote him out as this is the only way to get this crooked bunch out. It makes us feel powerless and BO more like an dictator that has total control of the people.


33 posted on 04/28/2011 6:51:44 AM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: wistful

So I guess now they will call out the handyman and have him chisel off the plaque on the pillar to the entrance of Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa that states Barack Hussein Obama was born here.

I am truly amazed at Obamas audacity to even think he can get away with this busted flush of a poker bluff of this fabricated imagery of a document.

And even more so the blindness of America to the Constitutional requirement to be President, in essence, Natural Born Citizen. Obama is divided in his loyalty by NOT having a parent of American citizenship.


34 posted on 04/28/2011 6:54:54 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Communism is a diease, a global failure and endorses Barack Hussein Obama.)
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To: TexasCajun

The plan was turn the BC controversy around on TheDonald and demand he now release his tax returns.

And now Joe Gibbs, Obamah’s righ-hand man, has done exactly that.

And you can bet the Obamah’s Pom-Pom media will be demanding Trump do exactly that, regardless of how many experts delcare the COLB-II a fake.
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Gibbs has got to learn to keep his mouth shut. All Trump has to do is call the document a “fraud” and point out all the dependencies, slowly, a few every day. Drip, Drip, Drip. Listen, to me, the “Dude” wants this to go away, FAST. He’s loosing more independents. I don’t care for Trump, but this is better than going to the Carnival, and riding the elephants!!!


35 posted on 04/28/2011 6:54:54 AM PDT by DeadFurrow (Your rights end where mine begins.)
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To: cartan
Forging such a document would be a felony.

A .jpeg is not actually a document. It hasn't been submitted in a legal venue as a legal document for any legal purpose. What is there to make a charge of fraud out of?

36 posted on 04/28/2011 6:55:35 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: wistful

It is interesting to note that the first fake COLB (circa 2008) came replete with an endorsement of its authenticity from FactCheck.org.I wonder if a similar stamp of approval is forthcoming for this latest rendition?


37 posted on 04/28/2011 6:56:43 AM PDT by TommyTrojan
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To: bvw
The authority is not the image, it is the signed stamp of the registrar, Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D. He is the only one who has actually seen or who is allowed to see the purported original, according to the wonderful cover story of a plan they concocted.


38 posted on 04/28/2011 6:57:09 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Mr. K
Obama Birth Certificate Scam? 2011-04-27

You mean that. It's devastating.


39 posted on 04/28/2011 6:58:20 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: wistful

The original had to be forged because it was stamped “VOID” after the Soetoro adoption was finalized. Its fake but accurate on a need to know basis. After that, the Soetoro COLB was stamped “VOID” when BO Sr returned to Hawaii in 1971 to object to the Soetoro adoption. Technically, Obama’s COLB with a “Date filed” and not accepted is his BC because it is the only vital record for Obama that hasn’t been voided by court order.


40 posted on 04/28/2011 6:58:37 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (BHO II naturalized as U.S. Citizen after becoming an Indonesian National)
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To: frogjerk

Fact: Barry has been represented in numerous lawsuits challenging his eligibility

Fact: The challenges continue

Fact: Some of the legal cases are working their way through the higher ocurts

Fact: Barry (or his handlers) have paid his legal reps over $2 million in fees since 2009

Perkins Coie, of which his WH counsel Robert Bauer is/was a principal

I would not be so wary about claiming a million in legal fees (at least) has been generated by this issue. I do not dismiss WND research just because it is WND research.


41 posted on 04/28/2011 6:59:15 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: TommyTrojan

“It is interesting to note that the first fake COLB (circa 2008) came replete with an endorsement of its authenticity from FactCheck.org.I wonder if a similar stamp of approval is forthcoming for this latest rendition?”

Yeah, good point.

It shouldn’t receive the stamp of approval, but it probably will. Factcheck maintained it was a Birth Certificate too so what do they know?


42 posted on 04/28/2011 6:59:17 AM PDT by wistful
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To: cartan

plus, what kind of professional forger would name a registrar U K L Lee (ukelele)


43 posted on 04/28/2011 7:00:39 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: spacejunkie01
So you think ALL those court cases over the past 2 years odumbo was represented PRO BONO?? The plaintiffs attorneys have cumulatively spent millions...why do you think odumdo DIDN’T to represent himself and block this??

Listen, here is the issue that I see. If you are going to want the Ts crossed and Is dotted with Obama regarding facts then you should hold yourself to the same standard list only known hard facts especially when it comes to claims of amounts of money being spent

44 posted on 04/28/2011 7:01:04 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Errant

A real professional archivist would be happy and indeed, welcoming, of other professionals to view the quality of his work, of the documents and records under his keeping. I am surprised that Doctor Onaka hasn’t asked for such a professional review and vetting.


45 posted on 04/28/2011 7:02:26 AM PDT by bvw
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To: walkingdead
Honestly, how many times have you signed your name and “forgot” to put your first name in there? Seems weird doesn’t it?
Never. But I have only one first name :-). Many people with several first names use only one of them. Perhaps she didn’t like “Stanley.”
46 posted on 04/28/2011 7:06:17 AM PDT by cartan
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To: cartan
And here are two reasons why it is probably not fake: 1.Forging such a document would be a felony.

Why would that be a felony? It was not presented in a court of law or anything. I could doctor mine up and post it on the internet. No law broken.

47 posted on 04/28/2011 7:06:47 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very Internet he invented. Oh, the irony!)
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To: wistful

THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

Unless of course the person is another leftist.

Then the problem’s solved. Gone. No more questions.


48 posted on 04/28/2011 7:07:21 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (They don't need to do another 911. They have BHO and the Fleebaggers.)
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To: frogjerk
His legal expenses aren't a legal fact that needs to be verified to the penny. Most of us can just use common sense and realize that the figure spent is very high. It isn't an evidential fact regarding his eligibility it's just an obvious fact that brings into question "why?."

When they send a shuttle into space do you need to see all the receipts to know that it's expensive? LOL C'mon!

49 posted on 04/28/2011 7:08:42 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: bvw

You make perfect sense, of course. The original records should be reviewed by reputable forensic examiners, included those representing folks who have challenged Obama’s legitimacy. That would raise the evidence to legal-process

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“An honest man has nothing to fear from a forensics test: like DNA evidence, it helps to convict the guilty and protect the innocent.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/not_so_fast_mr_obama_trust_but.html


50 posted on 04/28/2011 7:09:58 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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