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(Vanity) What's the deal with the GOP blocking the 9/11 First Responders Senate bill?
Fox News on YouTube ^ | Dec 17 2010 | Shepard Smith

Posted on 12/18/2010 4:48:07 PM PST by VictoryGal

I first heard the following on Fox. I am no Shep Smith fan but I was outraged to hear this:

"We can't give health care to Ground Zero first responders who ran right into the fire? Went down there to save people? Do people know what this city was like that day? People were walking over bridges, they were covered in ash, they were running for their lives, they were crying, their family members were dead. And these people ran to Ground Zero to save people's lives. And we're not going to even give them medicine for the illnesses they got down there? It's disgusting, it's a national disgrace, it's a shame and everybody who voted against should have to stand up and account for himself or herself."

Now, I haven't heard anything about this from Rush, or Sean, or Beck, The Great One, etc. So I looked into it and I was expecting the dumb Democraps, in their race to multiculturalize the military and spend our grandchildren into ChiCom servitude, were blocking this important bill to take care of the heroes.

I was SHOCKED to find that it was REPUBLICANS blocking the bill. !!! http://theerant.yuku.com/topic/36730

And I don't know why!

We need to call out jerks on OUR side of the aisle when they disrespect American heroes just as we would for treasonous Dims. I am very disappointed in Rush, etc. for not dealing with this bill -- either fighting for its passage or saying why it is a bad deal.

FRiends, what in the WORLD is going on? My volunteer firefighter friends back in my native Long Island -- solid conservatives all -- are furious. So am I.


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Also, can someone explain why NO ONE (I know the MSM won't talk about the heroes -- but our guys??) is talking about this?
1 posted on 12/18/2010 4:48:16 PM PST by VictoryGal
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To: VictoryGal

We talked about this days ago when it happened. Sheperd is scum. Should be on MSNBC.

This was basically a grandstanding fake bill. Others have more details than I.


2 posted on 12/18/2010 4:51:21 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: VictoryGal
And we're not going to even give them medicine for the illnesses they got down there?

I don't know the details of this issue, but I do know hyperbole when I hear it. I suspect there's another side to this story.

3 posted on 12/18/2010 4:51:39 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!)
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To: VictoryGal

58,000 people have applied for free lifetime health care and cash payments.


4 posted on 12/18/2010 4:51:47 PM PST by Carley (ISRAEL.......NOT SO ALONE!!!)
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To: VictoryGal
The expenditures need to be justified by cutting less important spending.

yitbos

5 posted on 12/18/2010 4:52:57 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: VictoryGal
I don't know a lot about what is in the bill. However, I don't think it's really about health care to Ground Zero first responders. After all, these are unionized government workers that have great health care.

I think it's about another unfunded payout.

6 posted on 12/18/2010 4:54:49 PM PST by kara37
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To: VictoryGal

What else was in the bill or, what piece of undigestible crap legislation was this attached too?


7 posted on 12/18/2010 4:55:21 PM PST by Old Flat Toad (Pima County, home of the single vehicle accident with 40 victims.)
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To: VictoryGal

I just saw something about that on Fox awhile ago. Forget who they were talking to one of the republican Senators. He said it’s because it’s like all the other bills. No one has had time to go through it and look at it as it is written. He said they would take it up when the new congress came in.


8 posted on 12/18/2010 4:56:52 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: VictoryGal

Is it constitutional for Federal money to go to employees of a city?

Yeah, we’re all for state and municipal sovereignty and rights, until it’s feedin’ time from the Federal pig trough.


9 posted on 12/18/2010 4:57:46 PM PST by lurk
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To: VictoryGal

Were they federal responders? If not, then the money shouldn’t come from the federal government. That is a city/state responsibility. Let the unions take the money they set aside for political purposes and put it to better use.


10 posted on 12/18/2010 4:58:26 PM PST by Shamrock-DW
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To: VictoryGal

Read elsewhere that this bill is supposed to cover 60000 people (not just first responders) - does anybody know how many first responders make up this list?

I think the Dims want to pass a “Socialized Care for NY Unions” using 911 first responders as an excuse.


11 posted on 12/18/2010 4:58:57 PM PST by indcons (Lurker mode off)
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To: Carley

Oh so similar to the black farmer payoff debacle. The devil is in the details, and the details are where the evil demorats lurk. It’s there where the answer is.


12 posted on 12/18/2010 4:59:08 PM PST by SgtHooper
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Okay, I missed this when it came out, then. Work has been crazy lately and I have only now caught up with politics today (calling my Senators... not that it did us any good, sadly)

If someone has a link as to why this is a bad bill I would like to see it.


13 posted on 12/18/2010 5:00:21 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: ElkGroveDan

It had something to do with the fact that no one had read the bill and they didn’t want to vote on it before the Republicans had time to go through the bill. Sounds like another dem trick of cramming another bill through that hasn’t been read yet. Probably full of pork and another way for the dems to blame the reps for being hard hearted.


14 posted on 12/18/2010 5:01:44 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: VictoryGal

Nobody begrudges legitimate first responders legitimate medical bills being paid. But this is Carte Blanche beyond sanity. Being New York,, it will be scammed 6 ways from sunday and exploited to the hilt. A “first responder” (definition: half of New York State) gets a skin cancer in 15 years later,,, it will be because of 9/11. They all get depression and medically retire. Heart attack,, 9/11. Shingles,,9/11. People are sick of NY milking this for all its worth IMO. This from the people that still haven’t rebuilt it a decade later.

Besides, there is another issue. New York state needs to pay their own workers comp claims. And they should sue the Saudis.

Wounded soldiers get nothing like the gold plated deal the first responders scam would give. Just my opinion. Ditto for the people like the widows of investment bankers,,etc. Some got millions because their husband died in WTC. If a Lance Corporal died in Afghanistan,, his family might get 50k and a funeral.

First reponders deserve not one iota more than a private in the infantry would get. But they would never see that as enough.


15 posted on 12/18/2010 5:02:09 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: VictoryGal
Please, they all have health care. They all got paid and were lauded.

These are the same guys that worked three or four days straight and would not allow anyone else from other parts of the country to come and relieve them. All for the overtime and now they want more.

16 posted on 12/18/2010 5:04:15 PM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: VictoryGal

This is NOT a First Responders bill....this bill is NOT for the Fireman or Police. It is basically a Union bill. The bill would give free healthcare for life for ANYONE who was near Ground Zero, no proof, no time frame, nothing. It is also a bill for those who were involved in the clean up months afterwards. This bill is so loose with who qualifies that it is a mockery to those who were first responders.

Look, my brother was a first responder, NYPD, he was there when the towers fell and for months and months afterwards. By the Grace of God he survived and has few physical medical problems. Some emotional, yes, although not enough to disable him....more to the point that the horror of that day and the months after are so very hard in his head to make anyone actually understand the depth of it.


17 posted on 12/18/2010 5:06:17 PM PST by panthermom
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To: VictoryGal

If Shep is crying, something good must be happening.

Shep’s such a loser. What wrong with you that you watch that flamer?


18 posted on 12/18/2010 5:07:09 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: VictoryGal

I think the argument against is a slippery slope one.

Of course, there has never been anything like 9/11, but running into fire is what these people got/get paid for. It is their job.

If we start singling out people doing their jobs in difficult circumstances, where does it stop? Coasties rescuing hurricane victims getting special treatment? Cops in NOLA who didn’t take the opportunity to take 5 finger discounts from WalMart getting special consideration?

I am sorry if this seems cold, but deciding to be a cop or fireman (or any in many other types of safety-related professions) is acceptance of being in hazardous situations.

The word “hero” is already devaluated to the point of having no meaning at all. Let’s not devaluate those who have chosen safety-related professions as well.


19 posted on 12/18/2010 5:07:16 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Nothing sharpens the mind like not being able to get a job. /Nonstatist)
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To: VictoryGal
My volunteer firefighter friends back in my native Long Island -- solid conservatives all -- are furious. So am I.

Did they go to ground zero?

20 posted on 12/18/2010 5:07:16 PM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: SgtHooper

Many millions of dollars were donated to the uniformed workers who suffered on 9/11. They were the survivors who helped work on the debris pile.

Initially Mayor Bloomberg resisted the thought of these payouts but soon Shumer and Peter King got on the bandwagon of having the government (the taxpayers) fund the claims.

The numbers have escalated to the point of ridiculousness but it hasn’t stopped Peter King from his never ending demands for more and more and more money for New York.


21 posted on 12/18/2010 5:07:27 PM PST by Carley (ISRAEL.......NOT SO ALONE!!!)
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To: VictoryGal
Most probably have insurance themselves. They did a great job and many lost their lives, what other crap has the democrats put into such a bill to bad mouth republicans...be skeptical of what you read..
22 posted on 12/18/2010 5:08:26 PM PST by goat granny
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To: raybbr

> Please, they all have health care. They all got paid and were lauded.
> These are the same guys that worked three or four days straight and would not allow anyone else from other parts of the country to come and relieve them. All for the overtime and now they want more.

Wow, I can’t believe you said that. Were you THERE? Do you understand what these people did? I can’t believe how blithely some of you are discounting these brave folks. I’d like to see you rush into a crumbling or flaming building to save lives when everyone around you is running away.

I KNOW people who were there that godforsaken day. Do YOU?


23 posted on 12/18/2010 5:10:14 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: goat granny; All

I’m willing to read a good analysis of the bill.

Does anyone have a link? The only sites that come up when I search for this are liberal ones. I’d like to get a balanced side of the story.


24 posted on 12/18/2010 5:12:16 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: VictoryGal

basically the issue revolves around the socalists (read democommies) insertion into the bill of a removal of a tax haven for overseas multinationals, which in the end you significantly increase the cost of large companies, making their products even more expensive in the USA, since we would have caused the price rise.


25 posted on 12/18/2010 5:12:32 PM PST by waynesa98
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To: VictoryGal
Part of the legislation: Do you really think free health care for life should apply to someone who was at ground zero for four hours?

SEC. 3111. IDENTIFICATION OF ELIGIBLE WTC RESPONDERS AND PROVISION OF WTC-RELATED MONITORING SERVICES.


26 posted on 12/18/2010 5:12:52 PM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: VictoryGal
Rule #1 If the democrats bring it up, vote it down...

Rule #2 If the democrats don't want it vote it in..

27 posted on 12/18/2010 5:13:09 PM PST by goat granny
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To: raybbr

Sorry but my brother was a first responder, it was highly emotional, he lost many friends that horrible day. In fact he was there when GW came to speak, it was greatly appreciated but at that point those guys still believed there were survivors and because of the security, etc. there was a stoppage. I can remember my brother being so upset.

He and his fellow cops at the 17th precinct where housed right next door to a Fire Station. They followed the truck down, guys that were leaving at shift end volunteered to go, at that point they didn’t realize the extent of what was happening. When they got down town, the fire trucks took one route the cops another. Not one fireman from that house survived. They saw eachother everyday. It was also very personal sifting through the rubble.


28 posted on 12/18/2010 5:13:21 PM PST by panthermom
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To: raybbr

Remember the kid the left kept trotting out for Bush appearances? His father was a “first responder” who spent minimal time at ground zero and was a heavy smoker.

The left screamed that nothing was being done for the guy. The fact is that the guy was on a waiting list for a lung transplant meaning nothing short of killing someone and giving him the lung could be done.


29 posted on 12/18/2010 5:13:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: VictoryGal

I am hero and deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_itVyZKmrM&feature=related


30 posted on 12/18/2010 5:13:43 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: goat granny

> Rule #1 If the democrats bring it up, vote it down...
> Rule #2 If the democrats don’t want it vote it in..

If it’s automatic gainsaying, rather than voting on the merits or drawbacks of a bill... sorry but that is stupid.

Makes it pathetically easy for them to manipulate the GOP. In fact, they may have done that very thing with this bill, which may be a good one, but was voted down simply because the Dims were for it.

I hope that’s not the case.

I still would like a link or two that go into the bill in depth, from a conservative point of view.


31 posted on 12/18/2010 5:17:22 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: VictoryGal
Why I'm against the Zadroga 9/11 health bill: Sen. Mike Enzi explains his concerns with legislation

I also heard Sen Barrasso say to Cavuto this morning that the Dems would not allow debate and amendments.

32 posted on 12/18/2010 5:17:55 PM PST by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." -- Kool-aid)
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To: raybbr

You will find that most of the NYPD Fire Department and Police Department live on LI and they are also part of the volunteer Fire Departments where they live.


33 posted on 12/18/2010 5:19:37 PM PST by panthermom
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To: Old Flat Toad; VictoryGal
Here is the link for the bill. I may be wrong, but I believe it's a standalone bill.

Also, it does call for (section 101-6) recouping costs when possible:

Requires payment for such treatment to be reduced or recouped for work-related conditions to the extent that the Administrator determines the payment has been made or can reasonably be expected to be made under a workers compensation law or plan. Makes the WTC Program a secondary payor for individuals with a public or private health plan.

34 posted on 12/18/2010 5:24:44 PM PST by sometime lurker
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To: VictoryGal

>>Wow, I can’t believe you said that. Were you THERE? Do you understand what these people did? <<

So, you are saying that some did their job and others did not and those that did are special? Or that doing their job was somehow more than was expected?

How does running into the WTC differ from running into a burning building?

You need to divorce your emotion from the content of the debate.


35 posted on 12/18/2010 5:30:43 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Nothing sharpens the mind like not being able to get a job. /Nonstatist)
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To: panthermom

So per this law the truck drivers who hauled debris to the landfill hit the lottery if this bill passes. The BS and money grabs will never stop.


36 posted on 12/18/2010 5:31:11 PM PST by doosee
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To: doosee

You could apply for these benefits if you had a Sabrettes stand near Ground Zero.


37 posted on 12/18/2010 5:36:08 PM PST by panthermom
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To: doosee

Only if said truck drivers suffered medical conditions as a result of that hauling. I’ve never dealt with the 9/11 first responders medically, but I’ve seen (and treated) people suffering from COPD, pulmonary fibrosis, and the like. It’s not pretty, and when you run out of health benefits, it gets very ugly indeed. Some of these people will never have what most of us think of as normal health again because they rushed to help. I have no objection to part of my taxes going to take care of first responders and those who sifted through the debris, especially those whose health benefits have run out or their coverage wasn’t first rate.


38 posted on 12/18/2010 5:38:08 PM PST by sometime lurker
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To: VictoryGal

You see, Cong. Weiner is a dem so of course he knows all of the right buttons to push and will play on your emotions while backstabbing you.

Like I said, this bill is a mockery to those First Responders, they are using the term knowing it hits a nerve.


39 posted on 12/18/2010 5:39:52 PM PST by panthermom
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To: VictoryGal
I don't recall the constitution authorizing acts of charity with federal taxpayer dollars.

It's the state of New York's responsibility, not the taxpayers of the other 49 states.

40 posted on 12/18/2010 5:40:06 PM PST by DaisyCutter
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To: VictoryGal

You see, Cong. Weiner is a dem so of course he knows all of the right buttons to push and will play on your emotions while backstabbing you.

Like I said, this bill is a mockery to those First Responders, they are using the term knowing it hits a nerve.


41 posted on 12/18/2010 5:40:06 PM PST by panthermom
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To: VictoryGal

shep smith should be barred from this forum.


42 posted on 12/18/2010 5:41:49 PM PST by biggredd1
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To: VictoryGal

I think there were a couple of procedural issues: lack of customary committee hearings and opportunity to amend the bill. Also, concerns about where the money will come from.

I still think this will pass.


43 posted on 12/18/2010 5:42:55 PM PST by freespirited (This tagline dedicated to the memory of John Armor, a/k/a Congressman Billybob.)
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To: VictoryGal
I sure would like to know one bill that the democrats passed without republicans that was good for the country and not their union buddy's or big donaters. If the bill is good it gets lots of republican support...Not stupid at all. An all democrat bill sucks to high heaven....Obama's health care bill for example...DADT for another, Start treaty for another.

You must be a lot younger than I for I have watched and voted for decades...when raising a family I didn't have time to keep up on everything, so I looked to see who supported or didn't support a bill...if teachers were for it I was against it, if unions were for it I voted no. Sometimes your enemies can tell you what is good for taxpayers and what isn't by who supports it...

44 posted on 12/18/2010 5:43:13 PM PST by goat granny
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To: VictoryGal
Also, can someone explain why NO ONE (I know the MSM won't talk about the heroes -- but our guys??) is talking about this?

Believe it or not, Jon Stewart of The Daily Show has been all over it the last week or so.

45 posted on 12/18/2010 5:46:50 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: VictoryGal

Someone posted a great line:
Democrats propose a bill to give reading glasses to dogs. Republicans vote it down.
Newspaper headlines: “REPUBLICANS WANT TO BLIND PUPPIES”.


46 posted on 12/18/2010 5:47:46 PM PST by kik5150
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To: panthermom

Some of those jobs were heartbreaking to perform, but didn’t many first responders already get millions from different resources set up by the citizens of this country...I am talking money, not the grief and pain involved...We all were sad at heart for those lost...for some it was more personal than others. But I don’t trust any bill that democrats set up. It becomes a big slush fund for their friends and the source of lot of scams by scums....


47 posted on 12/18/2010 5:54:05 PM PST by goat granny
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To: ConservativeMind

You said it. I can’t stand to watch that wimp, and he is on Fox twice in the afternoon, almost back to back, Why for gosh sake, once is too much, I change the channels.


48 posted on 12/18/2010 6:00:09 PM PST by annieokie
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To: VictoryGal

Mainly because they keep tacking every imaginable piece of commie legislation onto this bill to try to get it to pass. AND to make the republicans look bad when they vote it down. It’s the old commie bait and switch legislative maneuver.


49 posted on 12/18/2010 6:22:30 PM PST by RowdyFFC (.)
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To: VictoryGal
Wasn't this whole $$ for 911 First Responders one of Senator Clinton's pet projects? If so, it must reek somehow.
50 posted on 12/18/2010 6:32:02 PM PST by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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